Was Paul - aka Saul of Tarsus - a False Apostle?

I never said I rejected the Bible. We are talking about Paul in particular.

Is there another witness's testimony written that can confirm the vision was authentic?



No.

Oh thats so cute, the little girl thinks she's a grown up.
Do you need a diaper change dear? Shall I continue with your lesson in humility?



If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.

I am not here to argue. In fact, YOU are hijacking an interesting thread with your rudeness which is quite annoying.



oh pooh pooh, why don't you cry some more?
As I said, if you can't handle what you dish out, don't serve it up.


What did I do to insult you so badly? Did you have a bad day or something?

Cause frankly you're being a fucking dickhead and that makes me think you deserved whatever you got in the past.



oh and what did I get in the past? Now you've stooped to cursing people. That's pretty low. How low can you get?
Shall we find out?


Are you threatening me?

Before he had the vision, he stoned Christians to death.

After he had the vision, he dedicated his life to delivering the message of Yeshua.

Chances are his vision was more "authentic" then anything the pope has ever seen or done.

This is the image that the writers of the bible would have you believe........but it's very far from the truth!

Your first sentence, is actually more accurate to the nature of the kind of man Paul was! "Murderer of Christians" :(

Close. I believe in Christ and his word... but knowing what we do about govt's, politics, religions, etc. I do not blindly trust that we have the full truth. In fact, our Creator said that we are not capable of understanding, and I am very wary of anyone who claims to understand/know it all.



hahaha So you don't blindly trust and you don't believe in the Bible.

Then tell me smartass how do you find God without direction?
What pray tell do you hold as a standard to understand who Jesus Christ and God is if you REJECT THE BIBLE?


I never said I rejected the Bible. We are talking about Paul in particular.

Psalm 19:1-6

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it; and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof”.


If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.

I c the little princess is now an authority on who Jesus Christ talks to.

My my is she putting herself on a high pedestal.



If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.

And what you don't get is IF YOU REJECT ONE PART OF THE BIBLE, YOU REJECT IT ALL.

God didn't give you a pick and choose book. He gave us a WHOLE BOOK, FULL OF HIS WORDS.

You accept ALL OF GOD or NONE.

Thats how it is sister.

And you assume the Catholic Church back in 363 AD is the same as the Catholic Church NOW?

Aren't we a little biased here? As far as I can tell the Catholic Church back then was actually in line with the Word of God back then.

Do not blame that generation with the corrupt one you see now in the Catholic Church of TODAY.



The Catholic church was apostate from it's inception.



Ah and you get this from good authority I assume.

Did Jesus Christ Himself tell you this? Then if He didn't tell you, if I were you, I'd re-evaluate that conclusion.

Paul was called by Jesus Christ as his testimoy specifically says so and it is included in the Word of God, The Bible.

Even the original Apostles acknowledged and accepted Paul.

I'd rather believe the original apostles than any of YOU people who were the authority, set up by Jesus Christ, for the Church.

Who exactly are YOU people to question this? To question the authority set up by Jesus Christ, God and Creator?

Being a Benjamite, I feel compelled to defend Paul. But I also know that he was a sinful man who made mistakes. He was not perfect. That said, I still believe he tried to live life by following the steps of Jesus. If Rome loved him so much, they probably wouldn't have fed him to the lions.

Why, we even have the Bible at our level!

And what you don't get is IF YOU REJECT ONE PART OF THE BIBLE, YOU REJECT IT ALL.

God didn't give you a pick and choose book. He gave us a WHOLE BOOK, FULL OF HIS WORDS.

You accept ALL OF GOD or NONE.

Thats how it is sister.


That is exactly what they did at nicea pick and choose which books to keep.

Did Paul ever really even meet Jesus other than his "vision"?

Is there another witness's testimony written that can confirm the vision was authentic?


Before he had the vision, he stoned Christians to death.

After he had the vision, he dedicated his life to delivering the message of Yeshua.

Chances are his vision was more "authentic" then anything the pope has ever seen or done.

Oh thats so cute, the little girl thinks she's a grown up.
Do you need a diaper change dear? Shall I continue with your lesson in humility?



If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.



Your new age bullshit beliefs are tiring.

You believe in all that and that is good but when someone says the TRUTH and say those that don't believe in Jesus Christ are all going to hell, then you call them a liar, when the BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THIS.

So again your exposed to the bullshit so-called christians you claim to be giving lip service to God because you only want to believe the "nice" parts about God.

I guess you don't believe in sin either and how everyone in the world basically fails your test eh?

Do you understand that? That all people no matter how "nice, compassionate, or kind" have sinned and are all going to hell if they don't accept Jesus Christ as saviour and Lord?

Is that HARD TRUTH not acceptible to you so you go off in your jaded little world of make believe christianity?

Did Paul ever really even meet Jesus other than his "vision"?

Is there another witness's testimony written that can confirm the vision was authentic?


Before he had the vision, he stoned Christians to death.

After he had the vision, he dedicated his life to delivering the message of Yeshua.

Chances are his vision was more "authentic" then anything the pope has ever seen or done.


Perhaps he just found another way to attack true Christianity?

Yes, and if you were to 'get rid of Paul' then you would have to get rid of Peter, and Luke, and John Mark. And you would be left with somesystem that could very easily turn into a very great deal for the Christ rejecting Legalisms of not only the Law of Moses but also the emmense bondage and compliations of a ramp growth of law as per the Pharisees.

Oh, and if you get rid of Luke then you have to void Acts.

In other words you have gutted Christianity.

I never said I rejected the Bible. We are talking about Paul in particular.



Your missing the point...Luke who wrote the Gospel bearing his name and The Acts of the Apostles testified that Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ..Peter said that Paul's epistles(letters) are scripture.

You have a very personal bias against the writings of Paul,if you were honest you would say so.

Oh thats so cute, the little girl thinks she's a grown up.
Do you need a diaper change dear? Shall I continue with your lesson in humility?



If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.

Oh my we have a REVELATION. That's exactly right my dear, I and no one on this thread knows what you believe in because you've rejected the Bible and though you profess that you believe in Jesus, you don't exactly say how?

So far you've only told us what YOU believe in your made up little world about who Jesus is.

So how much of your actual believe in "made up" from you psychopathic ideas?

Being a Benjamite, I feel compelled to defend Paul. But I also know that he was a sinful man who made mistakes. He was not perfect. That said, I still believe he tried to live life by following the steps of Jesus. If Rome loved him so much, they probably wouldn't have fed him to the lions.
You have a good point: however, Satan always gets rid of his servants, once he's through with them! IMHO :(

No, Paul(to this day) remains still confused.....and at the time of Jesus, no one man did more to confuse the real teaching of Christ, than did Paul! :(

Is there another witness's testimony written that can confirm the vision was authentic?



No.

A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses

oh and what did I get in the past? Now you've stooped to cursing people. That's pretty low. How low can you get?
Shall we find out?


Are you threatening me?



Woah do you not comprehend the english language? That a huge leap you took there. Its kinda scary how you got to that place.

Makes me wonder how your really wired inside?

Close. I believe in Christ and his word... but knowing what we do about govt's, politics, religions, etc. I do not blindly trust that we have the full truth. In fact, our Creator said that we are not capable of understanding, and I am very wary of anyone who claims to understand/know it all.



hahaha So you don't blindly trust and you don't believe in the Bible.

Then tell me smartass how do you find God without direction?
What pray tell do you hold as a standard to understand who Jesus Christ and God is if you REJECT THE BIBLE?


I never said I rejected the Bible. We are talking about Paul in particular.

Psalm 19:1-6

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it; and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof”.


If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.


And what you don't get is IF YOU REJECT ONE PART OF THE BIBLE, YOU REJECT IT ALL.

God didn't give you a pick and choose book. He gave us a WHOLE BOOK, FULL OF HIS WORDS.

You accept ALL OF GOD or NONE.

Thats how it is sister.

Perhaps he just found another way to attack true Christianity?

I never said I rejected the Bible. We are talking about Paul in particular.



Your missing the point...Luke who wrote the Gospel bearing his name and The Acts of the Apostles testified that Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ..Peter said that Paul's epistles(letters) are scripture.

You have a very personal bias against the writings of Paul,if you were honest you would say so.


Are you claiming to know my mind better than I do myself, mathetes?

I c the little princess is now an authority on who Jesus Christ talks to.

My my is she putting herself on a high pedestal.



If someone does NOT have love, kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc., then I do not assume that they are a follower of Christ.



When someone rejects the Word of God as TRUTH, I kinda have a problem accepting that they are true believers in Christ :)