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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 01/26/2013 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right on, ZP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 If any person does not understand that in a real incident that every single person would have been transported to a hospital while lifesaving measures attempted does not comprehend real life. You could find a person who was killed in a motorcycle crash. They'll scrape together whatever remains and fly or drive them to a hospital. They don't just leave them there on the side of the road because they're dead and no point in trying to remove them. ROFLMAO!!! Absolutely false. Only those with a potential to be saved are taken to an ED. People are routinely declared dead on scene. Are you gonna do CPR on someone whose head is gone from the jaw up? Uh no, idiot. Additionally, with an active crime scene investigation (der hurr such as Sandy Hook), the bodies will not be moved until the crime scene investigators determine them to be moved. I continue to ask myself, why do I even bother to debate with damn ignorant fools who make such plainly untrue claims? OMG SMGDMFH They might be declared dead at the scene. But, they are still transported to a hospital morgue. Now shill some more. I have 4 relatives who are nurses and they all say that they would have been, SHOULD have been transported REGARDLESS. Not until the crime scene is cleared by law enforcement! Are you seriously suggesting that EMS just moves on in and picks up the body as they please? Really? What youre claiming is beyond comical in its absurdity. You are denying the most basic knowledge! Really? Yes, EMS will move in and pluck injured people right out of the middle of a crime scene. How about that? And who was declaring them dead in an offical capacity and preventing EMS on the scene for the sake of the "crime scene" being kept pristine? Were not 4 people alleged to have been taken away? Ooops there goes the crime scene, I guess. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1200294 United States 01/26/2013 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im done with this thread and the absurdity of mentally ill and low-IQ people debating 'well what about this' ... 'oh' ... 'well what about that'... oh .. 'well I know its a conspiracy cuz I feel it in ma bones' .. oh ... 'well what about this' ... 'oh' .. 'well look at this here' ... 'oh' ... 'well that doesnt make sense to me so its a conspiracy' ... 'oh' 'well .... Quoting: Holden 32744103 The OP isnt from Sandy Hook anyway, so the thread is worthless on that alone. Now I know why other 'normal' people dont waste their time with these threads. Go Bury your Head Sheep....Nobody cares |
Zuzu's Petals User ID: 31989439 Canada 01/26/2013 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Im done with this thread and the absurdity of mentally ill and low-IQ people debating 'well what about this' ... 'oh' ... 'well what about that'... oh .. 'well I know its a conspiracy cuz I feel it in ma bones' .. oh ... 'well what about this' ... 'oh' .. 'well look at this here' ... 'oh' ... 'well that doesnt make sense to me so its a conspiracy' ... 'oh' 'well .... Quoting: Holden 32744103 The OP isnt from Sandy Hook anyway, so the thread is worthless on that alone. Now I know why other 'normal' people dont waste their time with these threads. Of course. When you can't answer legitimate questions, run. All you did was try to veer people away from questioning things. Who cares about the OP's post. Whether it's factual or not, other people have put forth legitimate questions in this thread which you can't answer. Your mission failed. I see why you're leaving. "I don't have pet peeves; I have major psychotic ******* hatreds, okay. And it makes the world a lot easier to sort out." George Carlin [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] |
Zuzu's Petals User ID: 31989439 Canada 01/26/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right on, ZP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 If any person does not understand that in a real incident that every single person would have been transported to a hospital while lifesaving measures attempted does not comprehend real life. You could find a person who was killed in a motorcycle crash. They'll scrape together whatever remains and fly or drive them to a hospital. They don't just leave them there on the side of the road because they're dead and no point in trying to remove them. ROFLMAO!!! Absolutely false. Only those with a potential to be saved are taken to an ED. People are routinely declared dead on scene. Are you gonna do CPR on someone whose head is gone from the jaw up? Uh no, idiot. Additionally, with an active crime scene investigation (der hurr such as Sandy Hook), the bodies will not be moved until the crime scene investigators determine them to be moved. I continue to ask myself, why do I even bother to debate with damn ignorant fools who make such plainly untrue claims? OMG SMGDMFH They might be declared dead at the scene. But, they are still transported to a hospital morgue. Now shill some more. I have 4 relatives who are nurses and they all say that they would have been, SHOULD have been transported REGARDLESS. I can understand not transporting people who are pronounced dead to the hospitals/morgue immediately. People like that poster are trying to get people to focus on the wrong things. It appeared, according to the audio, that almost immediately they didn't want ambulances there. Why? First responders were not allowed near the school. Why? Who pronounced everyone dead so quickly that they saw next to no need to request ambulances? Why were the few ambulances that were there parked so far away from the school? How was that practical/expedient? Don't let people like him sidetrack you from what really matters. "I don't have pet peeves; I have major psychotic ******* hatreds, okay. And it makes the world a lot easier to sort out." George Carlin [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 01/26/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 This was not a situation where they happened upon a bunch of bodies and have to do a full crime scene investigation to figure out whodunit. Thats exactly what it was you stupid dumbfucking idiot! Derp. And yet they tell a tale of coming up on the shooting in progress and the shooter turning the gun on himself at the mere sight of LE on the scene. Oh yeah, we get that alot! Most people would rather shoot themself than have LE do it, apparently. To save those taxpayer dollars, no doubt. And pesky internal investigations. It was a drill. You mad bro, cause a lot of people know it. |
Holden User ID: 32744103 United States 01/26/2013 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? Yes, EMS will move in and pluck injured people right out of the middle of a crime scene. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 How about that? False. If you believe that, then you dont understand how things work at all. They were declared dead on scene, by someone qualified to do so. Then law enforcement controlled the scene and the bodies until the investigation was complete. Then the bodies were released and removed from the scene, however long that takes. Exactly which part of this very standard process are you just not getting? This is how it happens for one gangbanger murdered on the street or for 20 children murdered in a school - all the same. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33054984 United Kingdom 01/26/2013 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd like for a photo of the FEMA portable MORT that is claimed to be in the Parking LOT of Sandy Hook to be posted. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 There isn't one. Because there wasn't one. And that is their last rationale for leaving 27 alleged bodies there at the school. It was this THING. "this ... this ... AMAZING THING!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 01/26/2013 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? Yes, EMS will move in and pluck injured people right out of the middle of a crime scene. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 How about that? False. If you believe that, then you dont understand how things work at all. They were declared dead on scene, by someone qualified to do so. Then law enforcement controlled the scene and the bodies until the investigation was complete. Then the bodies were released and removed from the scene, however long that takes. Exactly which part of this very standard process are you just not getting? This is how it happens for one gangbanger murdered on the street or for 20 children murdered in a school - all the same. Don't make me laugh. Perhaps if that were the case they should have found somebody who not only could identify dead people but could count as high as 27. I believe the tally kept changing. How come? Were they waiting for them to die? You know if this were a real case and not a drill that people could sue for a thing like that and use it as evidence. The ever escalating of the number killed, that is. |
Holden User ID: 32744103 United States 01/26/2013 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't make me laugh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 Perhaps if that were the case they should have found somebody who not only could identify dead people but could count as high as 27. I believe the tally kept changing. How come? Were they waiting for them to die? You know if this were a real case and not a drill that people could sue for a thing like that and use it as evidence. The ever escalating of the number killed, that is. Oh wait, youre right. I think you might have figured it all out! Hold the phone and start the presses! |
Holden User ID: 32744103 United States 01/26/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] |
Holden User ID: 32744103 United States 01/26/2013 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 01/26/2013 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't make me laugh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 Perhaps if that were the case they should have found somebody who not only could identify dead people but could count as high as 27. I believe the tally kept changing. How come? Were they waiting for them to die? You know if this were a real case and not a drill that people could sue for a thing like that and use it as evidence. The ever escalating of the number killed, that is. Oh wait, youre right. I think you might have figured it all out! Hold the phone and start the presses! Not exactly, derpshit. But, the cops lose either way. Either it's a drill they've perped out like it was real, or they didn't let people have access to medical care and the number of killed rose throughout the day from 3 killed or injured up to 27. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482838 United States 01/26/2013 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. You sure do like to lie alot. The ME never said they were all headshots. Matter of fact he said they took photos of those heads to send to the parents to ID their children. He lying, ain't he? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1200294 United States 01/26/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. DOA dont mean you dont Bring in EMS staff....Are you that Dumb and NAIVE? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6866651 United States 01/26/2013 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right on, ZP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838 If any person does not understand that in a real incident that every single person would have been transported to a hospital while lifesaving measures attempted does not comprehend real life. You could find a person who was killed in a motorcycle crash. They'll scrape together whatever remains and fly or drive them to a hospital. They don't just leave them there on the side of the road because they're dead and no point in trying to remove them. ROFLMAO!!! Absolutely false. Only those with a potential to be saved are taken to an ED. People are routinely declared dead on scene. Are you gonna do CPR on someone whose head is gone from the jaw up? Uh no, idiot. Additionally, with an active crime scene investigation (der hurr such as Sandy Hook), the bodies will not be moved until the crime scene investigators determine them to be moved. I continue to ask myself, why do I even bother to debate with damn ignorant fools who make such plainly untrue claims? OMG SMGDMFH They might be declared dead at the scene. But, they are still transported to a hospital morgue. Now shill some more. I have 4 relatives who are nurses and they all say that they would have been, SHOULD have been transported REGARDLESS. Not until the crime scene is cleared by law enforcement! Are you seriously suggesting that EMS just moves on in and picks up the body as they please? Really? What youre claiming is beyond comical in its absurdity. You are denying the most basic knowledge! Hey Officer Holden, why don't you clarify to the readers here that you call "idiots" or "stupid" exactly what your position of knowledge is? If you are so educated on EMS/LEO procedure, why not just post your rank and position? We all know what you are. Put up or shut up. |
New Age Messiah User ID: 9993365 United States 01/26/2013 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it standard procedure to wheel victim's bodies over the top of hoses or cables? [link to www.sandyhookhoax.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14587453 United States 01/26/2013 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. I wouldn't imagine too hard if I were you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33066037 United States 01/26/2013 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. If this is the actual case, then why is everyone in every picture and video so nonchalant? It would be the most grusome murder scene ever, yet the JOVIAL me can giggle and crack jokes. Please post videos of this crime scene where people are in distress, like not being able to walk or keep anything down type of distress. Or blood for that matter. In all the footage, there are no first responders getting sick, how twisted would you have to be as a first responder to not let a scene like this affect you? Not only should there be family, friends and relatives being attended to in these videos, but also first responders who had a heart and could not stomach the alleged amount of violence. We are talking children after all, how could anyone handle that? Yet every picture we see, everyone seems emotionally normal. Care to explain this Sherlock? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6866651 United States 01/26/2013 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have yet to see anything valid in this thread to discredit the OP, whether he was truthful or not. I have seen a ton shill activity, which usually indicates a call to action. The OP was likely banned, his posts silenced, or he was just making it up. Either way, the responses are more telling than the story. It appears anyone from the area posting information will get attacked by shills immediately. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1200294 United States 01/26/2013 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have yet to see anything valid in this thread to discredit the OP, whether he was truthful or not. I have seen a ton shill activity, which usually indicates a call to action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6866651 The OP was likely banned, his posts silenced, or he was just making it up. Either way, the responses are more telling than the story. It appears anyone from the area posting information will get attacked by shills immediately. If you live there and actually saw that evidence and it didnt SPARK you do something....Then you Fail as a human....Should you be on the NET Boasting and Telling what you found?? NO...Theres other ways you can get INFO out if its LEGIT and REAL....Theses People hurt the Truth Movement...Not a GAME |
Holden User ID: 32744103 United States 01/26/2013 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have yet to see anything valid in this thread to discredit the OP, whether he was truthful or not. I have seen a ton shill activity, which usually indicates a call to action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6866651 The OP was likely banned, his posts silenced, or he was just making it up. Either way, the responses are more telling than the story. It appears anyone from the area posting information will get attacked by shills immediately. Nope, there have been mutliple others from the area who have shared their stories just fine, so your try fails. In addition the OP's IP is located somewhere else. He made up the story. There was no additional vehicles at the firehouse, and none out front, before the shooting. He hasnt been banned. He said he was in Sandy Hook("here") and was lying. Thats why he hasnt been back. The ONLY 'call to action' needed is for more people to call out these idiots who are DESTROYING the process of truth with bullshit, not helping it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6866651 United States 01/26/2013 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have yet to see anything valid in this thread to discredit the OP, whether he was truthful or not. I have seen a ton shill activity, which usually indicates a call to action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6866651 The OP was likely banned, his posts silenced, or he was just making it up. Either way, the responses are more telling than the story. It appears anyone from the area posting information will get attacked by shills immediately. Nope, there have been mutliple others from the area who have shared their stories just fine, so your try fails. In addition the OP's IP is located somewhere else. He made up the story. There was no additional vehicles at the firehouse, and none out front, before the shooting. He hasnt been banned. He said he was in Sandy Hook("here") and was lying. Thats why he hasnt been back. The ONLY 'call to action' needed is for more people to call out these idiots who are DESTROYING the process of truth with bullshit, not helping it. Alright "Holden", since this thread is such a high priority for you, lets go over what you just said. Where is the proof his IP is located somewhere else? How do you know he wasn't banned? And how do you know so much about EMS/LEO procedure? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33066037 United States 01/26/2013 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. If this is the actual case, then why is everyone in every picture and video so nonchalant? It would be the most grusome murder scene ever, yet the JOVIAL me can giggle and crack jokes. Please post videos of this crime scene where people are in distress, like not being able to walk or keep anything down type of distress. Or blood for that matter. In all the footage, there are no first responders getting sick, how twisted would you have to be as a first responder to not let a scene like this affect you? Not only should there be family, friends and relatives being attended to in these videos, but also first responders who had a heart and could not stomach the alleged amount of violence. We are talking children after all, how could anyone handle that? Yet every picture we see, everyone seems emotionally normal. Care to explain this Sherlock? To add to my point, how come there were no victims of distress that were reported to have been sent to the hospital. Heart attack, high blood pressure spikes, people fainting, etc. There would seem to be secondary injuries based on real emotional trauma, yet nothing like this is reported on. The recent hd video of the firehouse social shows ambulances blocked in and eventually crime scene taped off, why for the life of me I cannot imagine if this was a real event and not staged. As a leo, how could you be sure the perp worked alone and that sh was the only target? Think Columbine but since there seems to be no motive as to why Lanza chose she, couldnt there be multiple shooters with multiple targets? As leo and first responders, why would so many of your vehicle assets be parked in and not available for potential more mass casualties at another location. Obviously the above did not happen but makes me question why the leo`s werent properly prepared for that potential. That only leads me to believe they of course knew there was no possibility of it happening because it wasnt in the script. |
Zuzu's Petals User ID: 31989439 Canada 01/26/2013 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have yet to see anything valid in this thread to discredit the OP, whether he was truthful or not. I have seen a ton shill activity, which usually indicates a call to action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6866651 The OP was likely banned, his posts silenced, or he was just making it up. Either way, the responses are more telling than the story. It appears anyone from the area posting information will get attacked by shills immediately. Nope, there have been mutliple others from the area who have shared their stories just fine, so your try fails. In addition the OP's IP is located somewhere else. He made up the story. There was no additional vehicles at the firehouse, and none out front, before the shooting. He hasnt been banned. He said he was in Sandy Hook("here") and was lying. Thats why he hasnt been back. The ONLY 'call to action' needed is for more people to call out these idiots who are DESTROYING the process of truth with bullshit, not helping it. "There was no additional vehicles at the firehouse, and none out front, before the shooting." Please tell us how you know this, and what supports this claim of yours. "I don't have pet peeves; I have major psychotic ******* hatreds, okay. And it makes the world a lot easier to sort out." George Carlin [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33061433 United States 01/26/2013 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FYI- Quoting: Holden 32744103 a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oops I put the wrong link for that. here is the correct one: [link to www.ar15.com] Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. If this is the actual case, then why is everyone in every picture and video so nonchalant? It would be the most grusome murder scene ever, yet the JOVIAL me can giggle and crack jokes. Please post videos of this crime scene where people are in distress, like not being able to walk or keep anything down type of distress. Or blood for that matter. In all the footage, there are no first responders getting sick, how twisted would you have to be as a first responder to not let a scene like this affect you? Not only should there be family, friends and relatives being attended to in these videos, but also first responders who had a heart and could not stomach the alleged amount of violence. We are talking children after all, how could anyone handle that? Yet every picture we see, everyone seems emotionally normal. Care to explain this Sherlock? Obviously they all thought it was a drill. ONLY the need to knows knew the truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33061433 United States 01/26/2013 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BTW, if you didnt know, multiple shots from a .223 or 5.56 would reduce a child's head to ground beef. Each child was shot with 3 to 11 rounds. Quoting: Holden 32744103 also FYI: [link to en.wikipedia.org] FYI- a single 5.56 round to the leg(graphic warning): [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.youtube.com] For those of you just catching up, the NBC news Chief Justice Correspondent Pete Williams went on national TV on 12/15 and said that Federal and state officials confirmed to him that there were no rifles in the school, just FOUR handguns. And the UNEDITED helicopter video of the removal of the Saiga 12 gauge shotgun from the trunk, shows them seconds earlier removing an AR/M PATTERN rifle from the same trunk. No one really knows what happened to those kids. One thing is for sure, they are not with their mommies and daddies anymore and that is the sad thing. |
uscrusader1 User ID: 23477949 United States 01/26/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Alright "Holden", since this thread is such a high priority for you, lets go over what you just said. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6866651 Where is the proof his IP is located somewhere else? How do you know he wasn't banned? And how do you know so much about EMS/LEO procedure? Ignore him, he is a shill. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33066037 United States 01/26/2013 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thats 1 round through the leg. Now imagine 3-11 of those going through childrens' heads and you'll understand why they were all DOA. If this is the actual case, then why is everyone in every picture and video so nonchalant? It would be the most grusome murder scene ever, yet the JOVIAL me can giggle and crack jokes. Please post videos of this crime scene where people are in distress, like not being able to walk or keep anything down type of distress. Or blood for that matter. In all the footage, there are no first responders getting sick, how twisted would you have to be as a first responder to not let a scene like this affect you? Not only should there be family, friends and relatives being attended to in these videos, but also first responders who had a heart and could not stomach the alleged amount of violence. We are talking children after all, how could anyone handle that? Yet every picture we see, everyone seems emotionally normal. Care to explain this Sherlock? Obviously they all thought it was a drill. ONLY the need to knows knew the truth. You and I realize this, Im fishing for Sherlock`s, err I mean Holden`s response. Care to chime in Holden? Why is everyone in every picture or video of the scene as it unfolds so emotionally stale? You would think different people would react differently yet everyone seems to be reacting the same way, as if nothing really major or gruesome such as has been reported has occurred. What is your all knowing take on this? |