NATO-Turkey gets ready for military confrontation with Israel

Nukes? Under guidance of the US, right? Just like Holland...


earlier.

many speculate and suspect that nukes were acquired from ex soviet republics.

WW3

I think this means Turkey braking off from NATO

Nah just Turkey getting nuked by Israel would be about all that would happen if they went to war.

Nah just Turkey getting nuked by Israel would be about all that would happen if they went to war.


yeah.

israel is the only country with nukes and hides it from the IAIE.

I think this means Turkey braking off from NATO


it means nato breaking off.

the ship of a sovereign nato member was attacked and its nationals was killed in international waters.

casus belli grade act of war, also an act of piracy.

as per nato treaty articles any nation has the right to call the organization to retaliate. if organization doesnt, its void and null, and breaks up.

Nah just Turkey getting nuked by Israel would be about all that would happen if they went to war.


yeah.

israel is the only country with nukes and hides it from the IAIE.


I thought someone said turkey has em too...if not...deal done

Nah just Turkey getting nuked by Israel would be about all that would happen if they went to war.


yeah.

israel is the only country with nukes and hides it from the IAIE.


I thought someone said turkey has em too...if not...deal done


More likely USA has them at a base in Turkey. They will not use them against Israel.

2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas, and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area.

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This was what I was referring to as to the intent of these laws. Turkey failed to give due regard to Israel, by escorting ships destined to break an Israeli naval blockade. Therefore, in this case, the Turkish ship gave up it's right of peaceful passage because it's stated intent was not peaceful, it was to agitate Israel.

More likely USA has them at a base in Turkey. They will not use them against Israel.

Nah just Turkey getting nuked by Israel would be about all that would happen if they went to war.


yeah.

israel is the only country with nukes and hides it from the IAIE.


I thought someone said turkey has em too...if not...deal done


More likely USA has them at a base in Turkey. They will not use them against Israel.


There you go

it means nato breaking off.

the ship of a sovereign nato member was attacked and its nationals was killed in international waters.

casus belli grade act of war, also an act of piracy.

as per nato treaty articles any nation has the right to call the organization to retaliate. if organization doesnt, its void and null, and breaks up.

2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas, and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area.

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This was what I was referring to as to the intent of these laws. Turkey failed to give due regard to Israel, by escorting ships destined to break an Israeli naval blockade. Therefore, in this case, the Turkish ship gave up it's right of peaceful passage because it's stated intent was not peaceful, it was to agitate Israel.

The article you quote refers to passage through TERRITORIAL WATERS.

Ok, gotcha. My bad.

These legal things are truly confusing.

Will see if I can find the one for international waters.


Here you go:

Article 87

Freedom of the high seas

1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

(a) freedom of navigation;

(b) freedom of overflight;


Article 89

Invalidity of claims of sovereignty over the high seas

No State may validly purport to subject any part of the high seas to its sovereignty.

Article 96

Immunity of ships used only on government non-commercial service

Ships owned or operated by a State and used only on government non-commercial service shall, on the high seas, have complete immunity from the jurisdiction of any State other than the flag State.

Article 101

Definition of piracy

Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

Thanks.

Here's the whole part of the UN law for the High Seas...

[link to www.un.org]

You're right, Article 89 makes it clear, no state has sovereignty over the high seas. Neither Israel nor Turkey in this case.

Turkey seems to have violated article 87 however...

Article 87

Freedom of the high seas

1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:

(a) freedom of navigation;

(b) freedom of overflight;

(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;

(d) freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;

(e) freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in section 2;

(f) freedom of scientific research, subject to Parts VI and XIII.

2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for the interests of other States in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas, and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to activities in the Area.

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This was what I was referring to as to the intent of these laws. Turkey failed to give due regard to Israel, by escorting ships destined to break an Israeli naval blockade. Therefore, in this case, the Turkish ship gave up it's right of peaceful passage because it's stated intent was not peaceful, it was to agitate Israel.

Turkey outlived their usefullnes to NATO, there is no Soviet menace any more, so NATO will leave Turkey out to dry. It wont be the end of NATO just the end of Turkey's involvement most likely.

I think this means Turkey braking off from NATO

Nope, NATO's breaking off the US and Israel. The next few years are gonna be bumpy!

jesus christ..

it means nato breaking off.

the ship of a sovereign nato member was attacked and its nationals was killed in international waters.

casus belli grade act of war, also an act of piracy.

as per nato treaty articles any nation has the right to call the organization to retaliate. if organization doesnt, its void and null, and breaks up.


But NATO is not forced to react military. Not at this stage at least. The reaction will be proportional and each member will decide what it will do.

jesus christ..


Yes?

Here again at second time.

What? You need answers? Holy Trinity...

Look up at your Iranian vs Russia thread from 2/11/2010. There is an answer about all this, in one post coment.
All scenario and main acters.

G-ood L-uck P-eople

Nope, NATO's breaking off the US and Israel. The next few years are gonna be bumpy!


interesting, and possible prospect.

Eu has been wanting a central defense structure since a while ago. they were trying to set up an army. yet, it was too long a process.

if us is out of nato, that means that only canada remains from outside europe.

and it becomes a Eu alliance. problem solved.

I was just doing a little research on Turkey and found out about the Kemalist ideology. It seems if that ever takes hold in Turkey, they will trully be a force to be reckoned with. And most likely a valuable asset to the EU.