Is there is a .40 S&W conspiracy with police chiefs & freemasonry? | |
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josep430 (OP) User ID: 1024814 United States 07/25/2010 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many mayor and police chiefs are Freemasons. The Freemasons control the political parties to ensure the city council, and mayors are Freemasons. Then when the Mayor is a Freemason with the city council, the person selected to be police chief would be a Freemason. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 994775 United States 07/25/2010 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if freemasons on the local level were something more then a frat club for men I'd consider joining them, but really who gives a shit if you can make some hand gesture to get out of having a parking ticket? Or even advancing in the world.. the world is so transitory it's not worth investing in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 994775 United States 07/25/2010 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the .45 is more effective because it's a slower bullet and will stop in the body, not just pass right through it. This argument becomes less valid when you use hollow-point ammo in the other calibers, 9mm and .40. Apples for apples.. with regular ammo the .45 is better yes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1048133 Australia 07/25/2010 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the same argument from when cops switched from the .38 police special to the 9mm. then it was two fbi agents were killed when a perp didn't drop after the first few rounds and managed to get behind them and kill them with one of their own guns. its a story I never quite believed. |
SigSauer User ID: 936378 United States 07/25/2010 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the .45 is more effective because it's a slower bullet and will stop in the body, not just pass right through it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994775This argument becomes less valid when you use hollow-point ammo in the other calibers, 9mm and .40. Apples for apples.. with regular ammo the .45 is better yes. I agree with AC here. I would never give up my Sig229 .40, but in cases where I want to carry concealed or prefer a self defensive round, I'm carrying my Kimber CDPII 45.ACP. Bigger holes mean more blood loss, causing the situation to end quicker. I always load up using hollow points in both caliber too (but that's a whole other argument for some people). |
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Eric User ID: 30886065 United States 12/26/2012 08:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Geez! Where do I start... I was looking for a special edition sig for Freemasons and found this. Ill comment on everything said worth commenting on. I am a Historian in Wisconsin Free and Accepted Masons for validation... No Freemasons have nothing AT ALL to do with deciding what cal guns to use for law enforcement... Yes, Masons could be evolved but not representing Masonry, it's because their profession puts them in that position. Our Mayor just became a Mason, none of our Police force is... You can not ask someone to be a Mason, they have to ask and want to be one so therefore any conspiracy thought is unwarranted. Yes, many Masons are people of great accomplishment and stature and Masonry (if you ask them) most likely got them there... The lessons taught are common but give a man the tools to be successful in life (honor, duty, respect, fortitude, perseverance) Elders pass wisdom to the next gen and for that reason we are always progressing. Having said that, many times we can't even decide on what to eat for dinner much less deciding the cal for LE... Kind of a silly question really.... Part of what makes a real man is someone who seeks truth (not on a blog).... Get in touch with your local lodges and ask them to visit, you might even get a free meal out of it. ;) It's attitudes like the one of the gentleman who says "it's just a frat, it's not worth it" is what's wrong w the country. To him life is about what's in it for him not what he can do to help the community, country, gov, and world he is so lucky to be a part of. As for the guns.. A .22 can stop someone if you can aim... .40 is more than enough power (and it's much cheaper to buy 450,000 rounds of .40 and .45) Also a small addition is that we use .40 where most countries do not, possibly in case invasion or war our ammo would be less than useless to foreign troops unless they raided a Glock factory ha (IMO) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4420825 United States 12/26/2012 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a retarded post. I shoot .40 S&W and I can tell you that these rounds are effective. Period! Maybe your thinking of 9mm? The .40 has more knock down power than .380 and 9mm. Its much faster than .45ACP and the .40 compares to the 9mm in speed/velocity. Although its not 45ACP, it will still stop someone in their tracks. Add my crimson trace laser grips and I can put all my rounds at center mass or just one in the head. Go buy a .40 and then tell me what you think. I think you'll answer your own questions after shooting one. Quoting: SigSauer 936378 I've got them all and I've done extensive research. In power ratings of actual ft/lb delivery you have, from lowest to highest: .380 9mm 38spl 45acp 40s&w 357mag Now, delivery is the problem. I'd much rather have a 9mm with good hollow cavity projectiles than a 45acp with fmj projectiles. Though the above list is gives you the order of raw ft/lbs, the delivery of those ft/lbs depends very much on the projectile. Bigger, slower, less fragile and more narrow projectiles deliver their energy slower (as in punching holes and penetrating things). Lighter, faster, more fragile and wider projectiles deliver their energy more instantaneously. You have to consider all of those things and remember that 9mm/38spl/357mag/380 stuff is all .355 to .358 in diameter. 40 cal is .400 and 45acp is .454 I've engineered several 9mm and 357 magnum rounds that make 45 stuff look wimpy. I can't do the same with 45acp stuff because of the limitations of the cartridge and firearms. I haven't done the engineering with 40s&w. The fact is if someone would use a very light bullet with a very heavy powder charge and send a hollow point projectile out the barrel very fast, it really doesn't matter how big the hole is. I've done the same with .223/5.56 ammo. Very light bullet. Heavy powder charge, yet, the bullet is only .224 and weights less than one fourth of what a 45 acp bullet weighs, yet, they are part of my engineered YDGUFT rounds. (You Don't Get Up From These...) I've done extensive tests with 45acp. I am not impressed.. AT ALL. 40s&w is so-so. I like 9mm for its compactness but decent power. My preference is 44magnum. 1600ft lbs of RAW FUCKING POWER. With 180gr hollow points and 27gr of 2400 they are YDGUFT in a very massive way. They'll penetrate a lot because of their raw power yet when they hit viscous material they litterally DETONATE. If you're going to argue about power and this and that, just stop the bullshit. 44 magnum is common enough and reasonably priced. But, in a building or enclosed space, you better have some type of hearing protection or you're going to be deaf. ...which is another advantage of 9mm. Its all about the situation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15740069 United States 12/26/2012 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the .45 is more effective because it's a slower bullet and will stop in the body, not just pass right through it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994775 This argument becomes less valid when you use hollow-point ammo in the other calibers, 9mm and .40. Apples for apples.. with regular ammo the .45 is better yes. This: Hollow Points change the game. [link to www.youtube.com] |
DarthDickheadus:AmericanSith User ID: 30587851 United States 12/26/2012 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the hell? Everything is some grand conspiracy. It's bad marketing, physics, and engineering. Not some illumanutty bullshit. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30708042 United States 12/26/2012 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a retarded post. I shoot .40 S&W and I can tell you that these rounds are effective. Period! Maybe your thinking of 9mm? The .40 has more knock down power than .380 and 9mm. Its much faster than .45ACP and the .40 compares to the 9mm in speed/velocity. Although its not 45ACP, it will still stop someone in their tracks. Add my crimson trace laser grips and I can put all my rounds at center mass or just one in the head. Go buy a .40 and then tell me what you think. I think you'll answer your own questions after shooting one. Quoting: SigSauer 936378 I've got them all and I've done extensive research. In power ratings of actual ft/lb delivery you have, from lowest to highest: .380 9mm 38spl 45acp 40s&w 357mag Now, delivery is the problem. I'd much rather have a 9mm with good hollow cavity projectiles than a 45acp with fmj projectiles. Though the above list is gives you the order of raw ft/lbs, the delivery of those ft/lbs depends very much on the projectile. Bigger, slower, less fragile and more narrow projectiles deliver their energy slower (as in punching holes and penetrating things). Lighter, faster, more fragile and wider projectiles deliver their energy more instantaneously. You have to consider all of those things and remember that 9mm/38spl/357mag/380 stuff is all .355 to .358 in diameter. 40 cal is .400 and 45acp is .454 I've engineered several 9mm and 357 magnum rounds that make 45 stuff look wimpy. I can't do the same with 45acp stuff because of the limitations of the cartridge and firearms. I haven't done the engineering with 40s&w. The fact is if someone would use a very light bullet with a very heavy powder charge and send a hollow point projectile out the barrel very fast, it really doesn't matter how big the hole is. I've done the same with .223/5.56 ammo. Very light bullet. Heavy powder charge, yet, the bullet is only .224 and weights less than one fourth of what a 45 acp bullet weighs, yet, they are part of my engineered YDGUFT rounds. (You Don't Get Up From These...) I've done extensive tests with 45acp. I am not impressed.. AT ALL. 40s&w is so-so. I like 9mm for its compactness but decent power. My preference is 44magnum. 1600ft lbs of RAW FUCKING POWER. With 180gr hollow points and 27gr of 2400 they are YDGUFT in a very massive way. They'll penetrate a lot because of their raw power yet when they hit viscous material they litterally DETONATE. If you're going to argue about power and this and that, just stop the bullshit. 44 magnum is common enough and reasonably priced. But, in a building or enclosed space, you better have some type of hearing protection or you're going to be deaf. ...which is another advantage of 9mm. Its all about the situation. Good post. Hang around because we get lots of ammo discussions. Question: If you can only have one semi-auto pistol, and you aren't rich, which would you buy? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21687950 United States 12/26/2012 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good post. Hang around because we get lots of ammo discussions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30708042 Question: If you can only have one semi-auto pistol, and you aren't rich, which would you buy? Ruger P-95. Its 'only' a 9mm, but the price is right (low $300 range) and they're known for being one of the most reliable handguns ever made. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15740069 United States 12/26/2012 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would guess that the main reason why the 40S&W has gained popularity with police (and civilians) is because its a good compromise of the relative strengths of .45acp and 9mm: higher ammunition capacity than the .45acp and a heavier, larger diameter bullet than the 9mm. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21687950 The reason why .40 is popular is because of the Penetration Capabilities that it has over 9mm. Because it has more mass they are better for going through Windows, walls or doors. If penetration is your main goal you load up Full metal Jacket rounds. But penetration is not their goal. They want man stoppers and that means hollow points. But .40 SW has better penetration capability then 9mm so they are using those in hollow points because you get a balance of both stopping power and penetration ability. |