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WHAT IF JESUS WAS IN REALITY THE INCARNATION OF LUCIFER AND NOT OF GOD?? | |
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Spawn  User ID: 1056931  United States02/15/2011 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand." Matthew 12:25 Jesus refutes your hypothetical contention. ....and whatever you do, DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK... no... don't do it... STOP!!!! I warned you.... [link to www.youtube.com] |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1266972 Australia02/16/2011 12:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand." Quoting: SpawnMatthew 12:25 Jesus refutes your hypothetical contention. you hit the nail on the head mate!! and that is exactly what He achieved. christianity ( Christ's own religion) is the most divided and fragmented of all religions on teh face of the earth. it has more splinter groups and different branches than any other religion, from catholics to evangelicals to mormons to JWs to orthodox to anglicans and so on ad nauseum. so if his purpose was to divide and conquer he has achieved it. and as per the household verse, well he has achieved it there as well, just think how many families have been ruined and torn apart because of one member changing from one christian religion to another version of christianity. you got it !! |
| 714 User ID: 1219139 United States02/16/2011 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the heck, you're just lumping everyone together jesus, gabriel, lucifer. anyways wrong Exalted is He from what they utter. Exalted is He from what they imagine. Exalted is He that exists without a place. Exalted is He that was there forever without a time or a beginning. Exalted is He that will be there forever without a time or an end. Exalted is He that will forever be praised. That is your God. |
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| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1266972 Australia02/16/2011 12:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the heck, you're just lumping everyone together jesus, gabriel, lucifer. anyways wrong Quoting: 714Gabriel and Lucifer are the same person Jesus is the incarnation of Lucifer and not "GOD" Lucifer and Jesus are the same person according to the bible Lucifer is called in the bible (isaiah) the star of the morning. Jesus is called the bright morning star. same star, same person. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 902591 United States02/16/2011 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the heck, you're just lumping everyone together jesus, gabriel, lucifer. anyways wrong Quoting: 714Gabriel and Lucifer are the same person Jesus is the incarnation of Lucifer and not "GOD" Lucifer and Jesus are the same person according to the bible Lucifer is called in the bible (isaiah) the star of the morning. Jesus is called the bright morning star. same star, same person. That would be Venus. |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1266972 Australia02/16/2011 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol....Then he wouldn't be Jesus. ??? what are you saying? I am saying that the person known as Jesus is the son of Lucifer and not the son of God. Quoting: manageriskTugging on the heart strings though reminding us of the poor fig tree. the story of the fig tree quite plainly illustrates the character of Jesus. He was not the meek, peace bearer loving and gentle person he is portrayed to be, but he is plainly nasty, vengeful, and prone to anger and sadism, for the reasons and facts I stated in my post. Killing a fig tree is not a trivial thing. fig trees dont grow in the middle of the road, they may grow on teh side of teh road but on private farmland. In those days figs were quite a precious commodity in teh mediterranean countries because figs were dried and provided a valuable staple for the winter. So Jesus knew how valuable that tree was to someone's family. He, was plainly spiteful because the tree, out of season, did not have any fruit for him to eat. Does it sounds to you as these actions are from a loving god? or from and evil spiteful vengeaful entity?? |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1266972 Australia02/16/2011 12:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the heck, you're just lumping everyone together jesus, gabriel, lucifer. anyways wrong Quoting: 714Gabriel and Lucifer are the same person Jesus is the incarnation of Lucifer and not "GOD" Lucifer and Jesus are the same person according to the bible Lucifer is called in the bible (isaiah) the star of the morning. Jesus is called the bright morning star. same star, same person. That would be Venus. it could be Ur anus??? sorry, I couldn't resist that!!   |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 993513 Germany02/16/2011 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You do know the ties between the Nazis and the Occult/Freemasons right? Quoting: MoshebenYehudaTies, yes. The ties between the Nazis and Freemasons were the concentration camps. Good ties, indeed! "However, the Grand Lodge of Scotland estimates the number of Freemasons executed between 80,000 and 200,000." [link to en.wikipedia.org] Good riddance! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 902591 United States02/16/2011 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | lol....Then he wouldn't be Jesus. ??? what are you saying? I am saying that the person known as Jesus is the son of Lucifer and not the son of God. Quoting: manageriskTugging on the heart strings though reminding us of the poor fig tree. the story of the fig tree quite plainly illustrates the character of Jesus. He was not the meek, peace bearer loving and gentle person he is portrayed to be, but he is plainly nasty, vengeful, and prone to anger and sadism, for the reasons and facts I stated in my post. Killing a fig tree is not a trivial thing. fig trees dont grow in the middle of the road, they may grow on teh side of teh road but on private farmland. In those days figs were quite a precious commodity in teh mediterranean countries because figs were dried and provided a valuable staple for the winter. So Jesus knew how valuable that tree was to someone's family. He, was plainly spiteful because the tree, out of season, did not have any fruit for him to eat. Does it sounds to you as these actions are from a loving god? or from and evil spiteful vengeaful entity?? You have no idea what the christ consciousness is all about, because you obviously haven't experienced it. You literally become the christ and commune with the mighty counselor. It moves through every cell in the body and transforms and purifies. That's when you discover the gifts. |
| MoshebenYehuda User ID: 1052174 United States02/16/2011 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Furthermore, if anything, the story of Lucifer (which has been well known to be vague in the Bible), is modelled after the story of Jesus, in that he was the yin to the yang of Jesus. They both inspired rebellion of sorts against their respective power structures, but Jesus righteously accepted his punishment on behalf of all his brothers in an attempt to save them from future punishment, while Lucifer continued his rebellion and was derisive and deceitful to humans and has since been punished to Hell and to serve forever as a pariah in the hearts and minds of many. These stories also both serve to show that God is the almighty. Last Edited by MoshebenYehuda on 02/16/2011 12:41 AM |
| MoshebenYehuda User ID: 1052174 United States02/16/2011 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You do know the ties between the Nazis and the Occult/Freemasons right? Quoting: MoshebenYehudaTies, yes. The ties between the Nazis and Freemasons were the concentration camps. Good ties, indeed! "However, the Grand Lodge of Scotland estimates the number of Freemasons executed between 80,000 and 200,000." [link to en.wikipedia.org] Good riddance! You really think many Freemasons of significance were actually gotten rid off in the Holocaust? If that's the case, then why has Freemasonry expanded and become as powerful if not more powerful than during that time period? More sounds like the Holocaust was a horrific waste of human life. Furthermore, Hitler and the Nazis are directly linked to many different occult beliefs and to some direct Freemason/Illuminati type organizations or higher ups in those organizations. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 993513 Germany02/16/2011 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You really think many Freemasons of significance were actually gotten rid off in the Holocaust? If that's the case, then why has Freemasonry expanded and become as powerful if not more powerful than during that time period? Quoting: MoshebenYehudaGod gave Satan the power to test mankind's faith. That's why Freemasonry expanded and became more powerful. Freemasonry is Satanic. Olam HaBah (Satanic New World Oder), Noahide Laws (Anti-Christian), Qabalah (Satanic witchcraft), etc. Freemason goyims are just stooges for Chabad-Satan. |
| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1266972 Australia02/16/2011 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Furthermore, if anything, the story of Lucifer (which has been well known to be vague in the Bible), is modelled after the story of Jesus, in that he was the yin to the yang of Jesus. They both inspired rebellion of sorts against their respective power structures, but Jesus righteously accepted his punishment on behalf of all his brothers in an attempt to save them from future punishment, while Lucifer continued his rebellion and was derisive and deceitful to humans and has since been punished to Hell and to serve forever as a pariah in the hearts and minds of many. These stories also both serve to show that God is the almighty. Quoting: MoshebenYehudainteresting the yin and the yang aspect but what are you saying?? do you believe that God impregnated Mary to make a son or it was gabriel/lucifer who impregnated Mary to make a son? |
| JOSHUA User ID: 1116841 United States02/16/2011 01:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know that christians will cringe at this horrible thought, but, if Jesus is indeed the incarnation of something, then I would be more inclined to conclude that he was the incarnation of lucifer rather than "GOD", whatever GOD is. Quoting: MBECCU 1266972it starts with the archangel Gabriel. we are conditioned to believe that Gabriel was a good angel but in fact he is quite evil and he has single handedly created quite a lot of mischief and confusion in the world. It could be possible that Gabriel and Lucifer are in fact the same person. He was the one who appeared to Mary and told her that God wanted to make a baby with her. Because God does not have sex with humans, but fallen angels, nephilins,they do, it could very wellbe with 98% certainty taht it was gabriel who impregnated Mary, so Jesus is in my opinion Gabriel's (Lucifer) son. Gabriel is also the archangel who appeared to Mohammed and gave him the koran and was instrumental to start the muslim religion, mischievely in opposition the christianity since it's inception causing wars and emnity. Gabriel told in teh koran quite clearly and specifically that "GOD HAS NO SONS". how can we reconcile this when he told Mary that she was going to have a son from God? I won't go into other Gabriels mischiefs and confusions but think of this: Jesus is named in the bible "the bright morning star lucifer is named in the bible as the 'star of the morning" clearly the same person. Jesus is portrayed as a good, loving and peaceful man, but he was quite the opposite. He had fits of rage and evil streaks. He had a fit of anger in the temple. He cursed and killed a poor fig tree just because it had no figs (out of season mind you) for him to eat. in Luke 19 he tells his disceples : "bring my enemies here in front of me and kill them while I watch" how evil is that? than he clearly admitted that he had not come to bring peace but dissent , confusion, wars and emnity amongst family members pitting father agains sons. and yet he claims to be prince of peace. He has brought NO PEACE absolutely anywhere but rather he has caused wars, killings, emnity and confusion amongst the human race. Christianity teaches that teh antchrist will be the incarnation of satan what if Jesus was also?? how many millions of people have been fooled? If you truly want to know.. Lucifer, son of the morning, can cloak himself as an angel of light and appeared to Mohammad as "Gabriel" in that cave 800 years after Christ. Koran denies that Christ is God's only son and that he (Jesus) alone sits at the right hand of the father. and is the high priest before YHWH. The Jewish curtain was torn when he died on the cross, he became the sacrificial lamb of all time.. Im my book.. (Revelation's)there is a slain lamb of God surrounded by holy angels that only know how to screem in joy: "HOLY HOLY HOLY Is the lord God almighty!!!" So either Gabriel the Angel lied and will be punished for that, or it was a demon cloaked as Gabriel. Jesus rose from the grave by father YHWH and freely gives us the Holy spirit to those whom believe. Mohammad was lied to my friends. Soon the 12th Imam will be issued the keys to the world. Remember... Satan still owns the kingdoms of this world. Love thy enemies as our king requires.. Pacifism is the way Our lord want us to behave. Only God has the right to vengeance. Walk humbly, love mercy, and act justly as the prophets say to do. |
| MoshebenYehuda User ID: 1052174 United States02/16/2011 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Furthermore, if anything, the story of Lucifer (which has been well known to be vague in the Bible), is modelled after the story of Jesus, in that he was the yin to the yang of Jesus. They both inspired rebellion of sorts against their respective power structures, but Jesus righteously accepted his punishment on behalf of all his brothers in an attempt to save them from future punishment, while Lucifer continued his rebellion and was derisive and deceitful to humans and has since been punished to Hell and to serve forever as a pariah in the hearts and minds of many. These stories also both serve to show that God is the almighty. Quoting: MoshebenYehudainteresting the yin and the yang aspect but what are you saying?? do you believe that God impregnated Mary to make a son or it was gabriel/lucifer who impregnated Mary to make a son? To be frank with you, I'm not sure. Usually when Im not sure about a topic, I withhold my opinion on it until Im schooled enough to answer. This seems like quite the paradox logically. With Gabriel saying there are no sons of God, it would seem to indicate that either A) he meant that God is alone as the #1 and no one should claim to be the "heir" to the throne (blasphemy) B) your theory as proposed is true. If your theory is true, then Lucifer could have seen himself as God, and then convinced Mary of that and impregnated her. Or at least mask himself as Gabriel in order to blaspheme Jesus' name, while not having contact with Mary. Either route you take, you are still left with the question of who impregnated Mary? Would God have had to briefly incarnate as a man to make this happen? Or is God not bound by such rationale? Was it simply that the man who impregnated Mary died or left her, leaving them to say "God is the true father now"? Or is it as stated in the Bible? Im not sure enough to pick one specific route at the moment sorry. Last Edited by MoshebenYehuda on 02/16/2011 01:17 AM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 702997 United States02/16/2011 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know that christians will cringe at this horrible thought, but, if Jesus is indeed the incarnation of something, then I would be more inclined to conclude that he was the incarnation of lucifer rather than "GOD", whatever GOD is. Quoting: MBECCU 1266972it starts with the archangel Gabriel. we are conditioned to believe that Gabriel was a good angel but in fact he is quite evil and he has single handedly created quite a lot of mischief and confusion in the world. It could be possible that Gabriel and Lucifer are in fact the same person. He was the one who appeared to Mary and told her that God wanted to make a baby with her. Because God does not have sex with humans, but fallen angels, nephilins,they do, it could very wellbe with 98% certainty taht it was gabriel who impregnated Mary, so Jesus is in my opinion Gabriel's (Lucifer) son. Gabriel is also the archangel who appeared to Mohammed and gave him the koran and was instrumental to start the muslim religion, mischievely in opposition the christianity since it's inception causing wars and emnity. Gabriel told in teh koran quite clearly and specifically that "GOD HAS NO SONS". how can we reconcile this when he told Mary that she was going to have a son from God? I won't go into other Gabriels mischiefs and confusions but think of this: Jesus is named in the bible "the bright morning star lucifer is named in the bible as the 'star of the morning" clearly the same person. Jesus is portrayed as a good, loving and peaceful man, but he was quite the opposite. He had fits of rage and evil streaks. He had a fit of anger in the temple. He cursed and killed a poor fig tree just because it had no figs (out of season mind you) for him to eat. in Luke 19 he tells his disceples : "bring my enemies here in front of me and kill them while I watch" how evil is that? than he clearly admitted that he had not come to bring peace but dissent , confusion, wars and emnity amongst family members pitting father agains sons. and yet he claims to be prince of peace. He has brought NO PEACE absolutely anywhere but rather he has caused wars, killings, emnity and confusion amongst the human race. Christianity teaches that teh antchrist will be the incarnation of satan what if Jesus was also?? how many millions of people have been fooled? Hello, There are always possibilities... but I am not convinced that the morning and evening star being the same entity. Why not just call it the same thing if it is the same star in the morning and evening then? Like a Venus or something. Also, if similarities feel important to you, you can say the notion of duality to being and creation is a common theme, right? However, like you I do still question alot of the things I used to believe all out of tradition and wanting to feel like you belong... I feel there was an enlightened being that really knew the Father and really wanted people to come to know that for themselves, how all of us are Prodigal sons and daughters. I do wonder and question if "Jesus" was truly his name though... and if our religions today even spreads the "Good News" anymore. Like the days of the Pharisees, the good news would seem to be bad for religions in general, especially those that only care of getting people to adhere to their codes and the laws. I do not know much about Gabriel though, but do sometimes get the sense that the god depicted in the bible is nothing like the "Father" that this amazing messenger and example spoke about somewhere in the past. I'd like to know more about that person and his message, but it still feels like we did not really know him, nor his message, fully then, and especially now... Thanks for the discussion. Good night. |
| MoshebenYehuda User ID: 1052174 United States02/16/2011 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will for starters, Gabriel is not an arch angel, he is Chief executive of Nebadon, and go from there. Quoting: Nobody in ParticularAnswer me about my occipital bone Nobody? You asked me last night if it had grown, I said a little bit I think. But I never got a response from you as to why the question was postulated in the first place. I would like to know the significance, if any, thank you. |
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| MBECCU (OP) User ID: 1266972 Australia02/16/2011 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Furthermore, if anything, the story of Lucifer (which has been well known to be vague in the Bible), is modelled after the story of Jesus, in that he was the yin to the yang of Jesus. They both inspired rebellion of sorts against their respective power structures, but Jesus righteously accepted his punishment on behalf of all his brothers in an attempt to save them from future punishment, while Lucifer continued his rebellion and was derisive and deceitful to humans and has since been punished to Hell and to serve forever as a pariah in the hearts and minds of many. These stories also both serve to show that God is the almighty. Quoting: MoshebenYehudainteresting the yin and the yang aspect but what are you saying?? do you believe that God impregnated Mary to make a son or it was gabriel/lucifer who impregnated Mary to make a son? To be frank with you, I'm not sure. Usually when Im not sure about a topic, I withhold my opinion on it until Im schooled enough to answer. This seems like quite the paradox logically. With Gabriel saying there are no sons of God, it would seem to indicate that either A) he meant that God is alone as the #1 and no one should claim to be the "heir" to the throne (blasphemy) B) your theory as proposed is true. If your theory is true, then Lucifer could have seen himself as God, and then convinced Mary of that and impregnated her. Or at least mask himself as Gabriel in order to blaspheme Jesus' name, while not having contact with Mary. Either route you take, you are still left with the question of who impregnated Mary? Would God have had to briefly incarnate as a man to make this happen? Or is God not bound by such rationale? Was it simply that the man who impregnated Mary died or left her, leaving them to say "God is the true father now"? Or is it as stated in the Bible? Im not sure enough to pick one specific route at the moment sorry. thank you for your intelligent answer. and it is the correct answer because we are not sure of anything. the whole thing (human history, god, religion, salvation, jesus, lucifer, bible) is so messy and convoluted that NO-ONE really has the answer. It is impossible to have a correct answer, simply because we have never been told the truth. we have always been lied to for whatever reason. We are simply trying to decipher teh puzzle and come to whatever seems to be teh best logical conclusion. It's like if you are haned a new strange futuristic device that you have never seen before and someone has played you a joke and has given you a false manual to go with the appliance and asks you to go and work it out. You will go crazy until you realize that a lot of passages in teh manual are wrong and cannot make sense. That is teh stage I am at. I have realized that the manual they have given me is wrong ( the bible) so now i have to get around that and try to figure out the puzzle from a different path. cheers!! |
