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The One is not the Sum of Many/All - THERE CAN BE NO SUM OF EVERYTHING IF IT IS INFINITE | |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chrono synclastic infibidullum op. different strokes for different folks or souls in this case. there is no one right answer. some are wrong but many that are right are different. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 868423Totally agree with you. In this case, it was the idea of One, being infinite, just jumped out at me as not a correct statement. Many times I mix rational side with spiritual side...this is One of them. :moe: |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the problem is ... there is no beginning and no end Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275464Yes...and that is something that is very hard to understand properly. The only way I can think of that as actually being a truth, is that things don't 'end' or 'begin', they just change. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | infinity is a concept that has no place in reality. Quoting: SmuRidleynothing can be forever. period. In physical reality manifestation of sentient organisms like us, I think that is entirely accurate. It is only in spiritual states that we can think or 'live' in something that is 'forever'...basically, once we are free of linear time, linear thinking and 3rd dimensional (4th if Time is included) existence. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1277720  India03/01/2011 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just had a transcendant thought. It took place when reading RA OP's thread "We are all one?" here: Thread: We are all one? Quoting: SickScentSoaring Bear answers a reply by stating, in this communication: ... Quoting: SoaringBearaccurate or palatable? One doesn't fragment. Otherwise it would be a six billion fragments. That is a paradox. There is ONE having six billions experiences. We as avatars/holograms take our self way to seriously. I don't know why you say that the "ONE doesn't fragment", when we obviously live in a condition where it has done just that......divided into a duality!?! OWK, ONE is NOT sum of many/all. and yes, some ( many ) live in condition of duality. Some just observe it. Soaring Bear is SO correct in stating this, and it is a 'wrong' way of thinking of ourselves as in relation to God, or The Source or whatever you want to call it. Now, this might sound philosophical in nature, but when thinking about it in a rational way, it makes complete sense, and in my case, opens that crack in my mind just a little more to understanding a bigger (much, much bigger) perspective of what it means to exist within God's (again, whatever you take that concept/construct to mean)...within God's embrace...within it's being, it's essence, it's 'self'. In my response to thinking about Soaring Bear's comment, I had one of my 'flashes' of insight. It is a vision without an image. I can't explain them, but these types of thoughts that come to me, always seem to resonate with others. Soaring Bear, this is a VERY important concept to understand. "ONE is NOT sum of many/all." Quoting: SickScentThis may be true for old school thinking, but not in a universe/reality that is infinite and eternal. There is no such thing as the ONE...there is no such things as ALL...we are now at the age of understanding that we can discard the ONE concept and transcend it. There is no all, or One (as in sum of all), in the infinite... Perhaps we should be calling it Source, instead of The One. In mathematics there is a dualism between ZERO and INFINITY. The two transform into each other. The vacuum of space is empty but also infinite. I would argue that there is most definitely a dualistic nature to our existence and that one cannot grasp the INFINITE without also grasping the VOID. |
| just a dude User ID: 1080654 United States03/01/2011 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah, the limitations of language and symbols... In the infinite flows Dynamics never cease As soupires within blows Divining with ease The whole is not a sum But sense of belongings The knowing of delirium In tuning into the rings Last Edited by just a dude on 03/01/2011 08:44 PM |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah, the limitations of language and symbols... Quoting: just a dudeIn the infinite flows Dynamics never cease As soupires within a blow Divining with ease The whole is not a sum But sense of belongings The knowing of delirium In tuning into the rings Heheh, my description of Perfection is that it must always be Dynamic. |
| Always Looking User ID: 814501 United States03/01/2011 08:42 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | infinity is a concept that has no place in reality. Quoting: SmuRidleynothing can be forever. period. energy can be forever. It may take different forms at different times but the energy is the same no matter which form it takes. The begining and ending thing can drive you nuts as well. I think we have such a limited and surpressed understanding of what it really is to "live" that most do not even give a thought. Truth and Facts - The two words liberals hate most! Suffering is burning emotional energy on the uncontrollable! The architect of the universe did not build a stairway to nowhere! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just had a transcendant thought. It took place when reading RA OP's thread "We are all one?" here: Thread: We are all one? Quoting: SickScentSoaring Bear answers a reply by stating, in this communication: ... Quoting: ObeWayneKenobeI don't know why you say that the "ONE doesn't fragment", when we obviously live in a condition where it has done just that......divided into a duality!?! OWK, ONE is NOT sum of many/all. and yes, some ( many ) live in condition of duality. Some just observe it. Soaring Bear is SO correct in stating this, and it is a 'wrong' way of thinking of ourselves as in relation to God, or The Source or whatever you want to call it. Now, this might sound philosophical in nature, but when thinking about it in a rational way, it makes complete sense, and in my case, opens that crack in my mind just a little more to understanding a bigger (much, much bigger) perspective of what it means to exist within God's (again, whatever you take that concept/construct to mean)...within God's embrace...within it's being, it's essence, it's 'self'. In my response to thinking about Soaring Bear's comment, I had one of my 'flashes' of insight. It is a vision without an image. I can't explain them, but these types of thoughts that come to me, always seem to resonate with others. Soaring Bear, this is a VERY important concept to understand. "ONE is NOT sum of many/all." Quoting: SickScentThis may be true for old school thinking, but not in a universe/reality that is infinite and eternal. There is no such thing as the ONE...there is no such things as ALL...we are now at the age of understanding that we can discard the ONE concept and transcend it. There is no all, or One (as in sum of all), in the infinite... Perhaps we should be calling it Source, instead of The One. In mathematics there is a dualism between ZERO and INFINITY. The two transform into each other. The vacuum of space is empty but also infinite. I would argue that there is most definitely a dualistic nature to our existence and that one cannot grasp the INFINITE without also grasping the VOID. The Event Horizon containing the Singularity. The paradox...does it lie in the concept of the Event Horizon, or the conept of the Singularity? |
| Always Looking User ID: 814501 United States03/01/2011 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just had a transcendant thought. It took place when reading RA OP's thread "We are all one?" here: Thread: We are all one? Quoting: SickScentSoaring Bear answers a reply by stating, in this communication: ... Quoting: SoaringBearOWK, ONE is NOT sum of many/all. and yes, some ( many ) live in condition of duality. Some just observe it. Soaring Bear is SO correct in stating this, and it is a 'wrong' way of thinking of ourselves as in relation to God, or The Source or whatever you want to call it. Now, this might sound philosophical in nature, but when thinking about it in a rational way, it makes complete sense, and in my case, opens that crack in my mind just a little more to understanding a bigger (much, much bigger) perspective of what it means to exist within God's (again, whatever you take that concept/construct to mean)...within God's embrace...within it's being, it's essence, it's 'self'. In my response to thinking about Soaring Bear's comment, I had one of my 'flashes' of insight. It is a vision without an image. I can't explain them, but these types of thoughts that come to me, always seem to resonate with others. Soaring Bear, this is a VERY important concept to understand. "ONE is NOT sum of many/all." Quoting: SickScentThis may be true for old school thinking, but not in a universe/reality that is infinite and eternal. There is no such thing as the ONE...there is no such things as ALL...we are now at the age of understanding that we can discard the ONE concept and transcend it. There is no all, or One (as in sum of all), in the infinite... Perhaps we should be calling it Source, instead of The One. In mathematics there is a dualism between ZERO and INFINITY. The two transform into each other. The vacuum of space is empty but also infinite. I would argue that there is most definitely a dualistic nature to our existence and that one cannot grasp the INFINITE without also grasping the VOID. The Event Horizon containing the Singularity. The paradox...does it lie in the concept of the Event Horizon, or the conept of the Singularity? What if when you pass the Event Horizon and go through the singularity it leads to a whole new dimension or universe seperate from our own yet attached through the Event Horizon? Truth and Facts - The two words liberals hate most! Suffering is burning emotional energy on the uncontrollable! The architect of the universe did not build a stairway to nowhere! |
| just a dude User ID: 1080654 United States03/01/2011 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1277720In mathematics there is a dualism between ZERO and INFINITY. The two transform into each other. The vacuum of space is empty but also infinite. I would argue that there is most definitely a dualistic nature to our existence and that one cannot grasp the INFINITE without also grasping the VOID. +/- infinity meets somewhere... Like a floppy infinity Sideways like a V representing duality The floppy collapses The loops become as One As One as a circle, zero. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just had a transcendant thought. It took place when reading RA OP's thread "We are all one?" here: Thread: We are all one? Quoting: SickScentSoaring Bear answers a reply by stating, in this communication: ... Soaring Bear is SO correct in stating this, and it is a 'wrong' way of thinking of ourselves as in relation to God, or The Source or whatever you want to call it. Now, this might sound philosophical in nature, but when thinking about it in a rational way, it makes complete sense, and in my case, opens that crack in my mind just a little more to understanding a bigger (much, much bigger) perspective of what it means to exist within God's (again, whatever you take that concept/construct to mean)...within God's embrace...within it's being, it's essence, it's 'self'. In my response to thinking about Soaring Bear's comment, I had one of my 'flashes' of insight. It is a vision without an image. I can't explain them, but these types of thoughts that come to me, always seem to resonate with others. ... In mathematics there is a dualism between ZERO and INFINITY. The two transform into each other. The vacuum of space is empty but also infinite. I would argue that there is most definitely a dualistic nature to our existence and that one cannot grasp the INFINITE without also grasping the VOID. The Event Horizon containing the Singularity. The paradox...does it lie in the concept of the Event Horizon, or the conept of the Singularity? What if when you pass the Event Horizon and go through the singularity it leads to a whole new dimension or universe seperate from our own yet attached through the Event Horizon? My closest thought on that concept, is when we go to sleep and dream. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1270700 United States03/01/2011 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A circle's circumfrence can be calculated, but yet it appears to the eye as an infinite line that has no ends. The ends are only imagined. Infinity is similar to the imagined ends. Although it is defined as limitless or without bounds, both the starting and ending points can be imagined when necessary even though you're not supposed to do it. The Universe or consciousness is limitless and without bound but it wasn't born or created that way. They both had a starting point and both will have an ending point. Unfortunately for you, the ending point of your universe is soon. I just had a transcendant thought. It took place when reading RA OP's thread "We are all one?" here: Thread: We are all one? Quoting: SickScentSoaring Bear answers a reply by stating, in this communication: ... Quoting: SoaringBearaccurate or palatable? One doesn't fragment. Otherwise it would be a six billion fragments. That is a paradox. There is ONE having six billions experiences. We as avatars/holograms take our self way to seriously. I don't know why you say that the "ONE doesn't fragment", when we obviously live in a condition where it has done just that......divided into a duality!?! OWK, ONE is NOT sum of many/all. and yes, some ( many ) live in condition of duality. Some just observe it. Soaring Bear is SO correct in stating this, and it is a 'wrong' way of thinking of ourselves as in relation to God, or The Source or whatever you want to call it. Now, this might sound philosophical in nature, but when thinking about it in a rational way, it makes complete sense, and in my case, opens that crack in my mind just a little more to understanding a bigger (much, much bigger) perspective of what it means to exist within God's (again, whatever you take that concept/construct to mean)...within God's embrace...within it's being, it's essence, it's 'self'. In my response to thinking about Soaring Bear's comment, I had one of my 'flashes' of insight. It is a vision without an image. I can't explain them, but these types of thoughts that come to me, always seem to resonate with others. Soaring Bear, this is a VERY important concept to understand. "ONE is NOT sum of many/all." Quoting: SickScentThis may be true for old school thinking, but not in a universe/reality that is infinite and eternal. There is no such thing as the ONE...there is no such things as ALL...we are now at the age of understanding that we can discard the ONE concept and transcend it. There is no all, or One (as in sum of all), in the infinite... Perhaps we should be calling it Source, instead of The One. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1206737 United States03/01/2011 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The mind is the only thing that exists and we are collectively unique in that we have a mind. Although that previous statement is not true it helps to get to truth. That for the mind to be the sum of all existence it must not exist itself for if it did everything else must exist too. Nothingness is infinite, the opposite of nothingness is everything so we exist because of the necessity of everything to exist because nothingness does. But we are still nothing because it is included in infinity Nothingness=Source |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A circle's circumfrence can be calculated, but yet it appears to the eye as an infinite line that has no ends. The ends are only imagined. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1270700Infinity is similar to the imagined ends. Although it is defined as limitless or without bounds, both the starting and ending points can be imagined when necessary even though you're not supposed to do it. The Universe or consciousness is limitless and without bound but it wasn't born or created that way. They both had a starting point and both will have an ending point. Unfortunately for you, the ending point of your universe is soon. :noblac: Too bad you are only seeing things in 2 dimensions... |
| ArunaLuna User ID: 1224007 United States03/01/2011 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Energy is eternal...so 'always was always will be' seems to fit. Ex nihilo...all the different arguments for and opposed...there is never one answer to anything.  Where, boundless nature, can I hold you fast? And where you breasts? Wells that sustain all life--the heaven and the earth are nursed. ~ Faust from Goethe. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1154807 Slovakia03/01/2011 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just had a transcendant thought. It took place when reading RA OP's thread "We are all one?" here: Thread: We are all one? Quoting: SickScentSoaring Bear answers a reply by stating, in this communication: ... Quoting: ObeWayneKenobeI don't know why you say that the "ONE doesn't fragment", when we obviously live in a condition where it has done just that......divided into a duality!?! OWK, ONE is NOT sum of many/all. and yes, some ( many ) live in condition of duality. Some just observe it. Soaring Bear is SO correct in stating this, and it is a 'wrong' way of thinking of ourselves as in relation to God, or The Source or whatever you want to call it. Now, this might sound philosophical in nature, but when thinking about it in a rational way, it makes complete sense, and in my case, opens that crack in my mind just a little more to understanding a bigger (much, much bigger) perspective of what it means to exist within God's (again, whatever you take that concept/construct to mean)...within God's embrace...within it's being, it's essence, it's 'self'. In my response to thinking about Soaring Bear's comment, I had one of my 'flashes' of insight. It is a vision without an image. I can't explain them, but these types of thoughts that come to me, always seem to resonate with others. Soaring Bear, this is a VERY important concept to understand. "ONE is NOT sum of many/all." Quoting: SickScentThis may be true for old school thinking, but not in a universe/reality that is infinite and eternal. There is no such thing as the ONE...there is no such things as ALL...we are now at the age of understanding that we can discard the ONE concept and transcend it. There is no all, or One (as in sum of all), in the infinite... Perhaps we should be calling it Source, instead of The One. In mathematics there is a dualism between ZERO and INFINITY. The two transform into each other. The vacuum of space is empty but also infinite. I would argue that there is most definitely a dualistic nature to our existence and that one cannot grasp the INFINITE without also grasping the VOID. In mathematics it´s not duality, but trinity of: + infinity, - infinity and zero. Hence zero is not void but a boundary between both. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Energy is eternal...so 'always was always will be' seems to fit. Quoting: ArunaLuna 1224007Ex nihilo...all the different arguments for and opposed...there is never one answer to anything. Where, boundless nature, can I hold you fast? And where you breasts? Wells that sustain all life--the heaven and the earth are nursed. ~ Faust from Goethe. God, ain't that the truth! And the beauty... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1281655  Chile03/01/2011 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's because you don't know anything about math!! Please read about series, limits and convergent series. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's because you don't know anything about math!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1281655Please read about series, limits and convergent series. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Yes, I know about math. Just because I sometimes enjoy the esoteric and philosophical nature of thought, doesn't mean I do not know anything about math. I suppose, because of math, you are going to understand that constants must exist to make certain physics proofs valid. But, what if those basic constants are not constant? Will they allow that reality to permeate the formulas? I think not. |
| just a dude User ID: 1080654 United States03/01/2011 09:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's because you don't know anything about math!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1281655Please read about series, limits and convergent series. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Child's play. Try Hilbert Space e.g., [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's because you don't know anything about math!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1281655Please read about series, limits and convergent series. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Child's play. Try Hilbert Space e.g., [link to en.wikipedia.org] Whoa...intersting. Bookmarked for later... |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1250015 United States03/01/2011 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that's because you don't know anything about math!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1281655Please read about series, limits and convergent series. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Child's play. Try Hilbert Space e.g., [link to en.wikipedia.org] From article: Hilbert spaces arise naturally and frequently in mathematics, physics, and engineering, typically as infinite-dimensional function spaces. The earliest Hilbert spaces were studied from this point of view in the first decade of the 20th century by David Hilbert, Erhard Schmidt, and Frigyes Riesz. They are indispensable tools in the theories of partial differential equations, quantum mechanics, Fourier analysis (which includes applications to signal processing and heat transfer) and ergodic theory which forms the mathematical underpinning of the study of thermodynamics. |
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