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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1125737 United States 04/09/2011 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess that makes you happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335436Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed. Oh, and your country is any better? You have the entire nation under surveillance like 1984, the only thing you losers can do is follow the royal family around like a bunch of fucking idiots. |
mathetes (OP) User ID: 1207860 United States 04/09/2011 07:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess that makes you happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335436Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed. You making a list? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
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mathetes (OP) User ID: 1207860 United States 04/09/2011 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess that makes you happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335436Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed. You making a list? And checkin it twice? lol For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 855842 United States 04/09/2011 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read there are protests in France over this. If they don't like it, they can get the fuck out of France. When us 'infidels' are in an Islamic state, we have to conform. They need to conform to other countries instead of trying to make every country an Islamic state. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? |
cRoSS FiRe User ID: 1237458 United States 04/09/2011 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess that makes you happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335436Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed. You making a list? And checkin it twice? lol Guess I can't wear my burqini to the French Riviera this summer. Darn it! "Nothing is as far away as one minute ago." --Jim Bishop :gameizovar: It's DO:OM o'clock. WAKE UP! |
mathetes (OP) User ID: 1207860 United States 04/09/2011 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? If you'll read the original story,also in the op you will find that this ban includes the niqab,which in Arabic literally means MASK...its common sense ac,can you wear a MASK to the bank or shop with one on? Of course not For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 855842 United States 04/09/2011 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state. Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from dressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? If you'll read the original story,also in the op you will find that this ban includes the niqab,which in Arabic literally means MASK...its common sense ac,can you wear a MASK to the bank or shop with one on? Of course not Except this ban doesn't only apply to shops and banks, which are private institutions and therefore can enforce their own rules about not allowing bike helmets etc. It applies to any public place. Would you support American politicians banning people covering their faces in any public place? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state. Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land. Do you want to take a guess at the proportion of Muslim women in France who actually choose to wear the niqab? Because I can guarantee you will vastly overestimate it. And what sort of argument is 'we can't do it there, so they can't do it here!' anyway? Why don't we ban Muslims from refusing to drink alcohol and eat pork while we're at it? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ‘Belgium’s French-speaking liberals, who proposed the veil law, argued that an inability to identify people who have hidden their faces presents a security risk and that the veil was a “walking prison” for women. Quoting: Reuters…Wearing the facial veil, known as the niqab, and the body-length outer garment, or burqa, widely worn in Afghanistan, could lead to fines of 15-25 euros (about $20 to $33) and imprisonment for up to seven days.’ Against ambulatory prisons! For sedentary ones! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 855842 United States 04/09/2011 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state. Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land. Do you want to take a guess at the proportion of Muslim women in France who actually choose to wear the niqab? Because I can guarantee you will vastly overestimate it. And what sort of argument is 'we can't do it there, so they can't do it here!' anyway? Why don't we ban Muslims from refusing to drink alcohol and eat pork while we're at it? Fair is fair. They want rights, they need to treat others with respect in order to get respect. Every heard of the Monks of Tibihirine? Read up on it. You have to be a pretty evil and sinister person to behead monks. Better yet, watch the movie, The Gods of Men. They expect tolerance from everyone else, but will not return it. |
useless-eater User ID: 949959 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | who the fuck is any government to tell anyone how to dress? if you support this, go look in the mirror... you are next. whatever you think of how anyone dresses, if you allow government to have power to change that, then you give them the right to outlaw what you choose to wear. Liberty isn't just right, or cool, it's smart. |
Chaos User ID: 1278201 United States 04/09/2011 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? >Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? Their husbands would whip them to death or behead them if they chose to got unveiled |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state. Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land. Do you want to take a guess at the proportion of Muslim women in France who actually choose to wear the niqab? Because I can guarantee you will vastly overestimate it. And what sort of argument is 'we can't do it there, so they can't do it here!' anyway? Why don't we ban Muslims from refusing to drink alcohol and eat pork while we're at it? Fair is fair. They want rights, they need to treat others with respect in order to get respect. Every heard of the Monks of Tibihirine? Read up on it. You have to be a pretty evil and sinister person to behead monks. Better yet, watch the movie, The Gods of Men. They expect tolerance from everyone else, but will not return it. Ever heard of Baruch Goldstein? Read up on him. You have to be a pretty evil and sinister person to massacre people from behind with a machine gun while they're praying. Throwing around examples of atrocities committed by any group really doesn't get us anywhere I'm afraid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public. Quoting: mathetesUnder a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines. A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes. ...wow Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? >Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that? Their husbands would whip them to death or behead them if they chose to got unveiled All of them? Really? Prove it. There is a clause in the law banning people from threatening or pressuring women to wear the veil, which is fair enough. why do they have to specifically ban the women from freely choosing to wear it as well? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1335483 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | who the fuck is any government to tell anyone how to dress? Quoting: useless-eaterif you support this, go look in the mirror... you are next. whatever you think of how anyone dresses, if you allow government to have power to change that, then you give them the right to outlaw what you choose to wear. Liberty isn't just right, or cool, it's smart. Yeah, exactly. I hope you realise this law would also prohibit people covering their faces in any anti-government protests, and make them much easier to put on 'watch lists' for later harassment and arrest. But yeah, it's fine as long as it's only Muslims being affected, right? |
useless-eater User ID: 949959 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So let me get this right. People that support this cite their perception as Islam being extreme & oppressive & their answer to this is extremism & oppression. If you support that argument then you're stupid, intolerant & every much an enemy of liberty as you perceive Islam to be. Is it just me or do other people get tired of the sheer stupidity of fascists & racists? Love to all. Especially those who want to wear Burqa. I support your right to do so. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1333446 United Kingdom 04/09/2011 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If the "letterbox women" don't like it, then as one poster put it, piss off back to where you came from. It's OK for them (Muslims) to build fu**ing great big Mosques over here in the UK that make our town centres look like disneyland with their great big gold domes, playing stupid wailing sounds every day. But if we wanted to build a Church over in their country, we would be told very quickly where to shove it! You can't even hold hands with your Wife in a public place over in the Middle East as it's against their laws. So if we don't like it, we don't go on bloody holiday or want to live there! If they didn't go around dressed like that wearing bombs and blowing up people, then maybe they would get some relaxation on the rules. Each Country has it's own set of laws and rules and if you don't like it, don't go there, it's basic common sense! |