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Maynard James Keenan on TPTB, America, and the New World Order

 
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"If the education of our kids comes from radio, television, newspapers-if that's where they get most of their knowledge from, and not from schools, then the powers that be are definitely in charge, because they own all those outlets."


Right! Because the government DOES NOT control the schools.
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If anybody that listens to Tool isn't aware of this song well its not as technically awe inspiring as Lateralus the message behind the song has always held a fascination for me and Maynard must of thought it some form of recognizing the New Age Movements ascension.

Clip from the wiki with link of course.

The title references an idea first conceived by Drunvalo Melchizedek concerning the possibility of reaching a state of evolution at which the body would have two more than the normal 46 total chromosomes and leave a currently disharmonious state.[4][5] The premise is that humans would deviate from the current state of human DNA which contains 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. The next step of evolution would likely result in human DNA being reorganized into 46 and 2 chromosomes, according to Melchizedek.

Furthermore, the song references a wish to experience change through the "shadow"; an idea which represents the parts of one's personality that one hates and fears, which also exists as a recurring theme in the work of Carl Jung.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
When someone explained that meaning to me tho I'd gotten a gist of it just listening mind = blown.
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Yea I was about to reference a huge piece by Carl Jung for this video, but I have to go to work. GET A JOB!!!
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thanks op!
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From the book- Unleashed: The Story of TOOL

"We're still writing songs and letting them progress naturally. What can end up happening is the powers that be jump in, and all of a sudden we're working under the confines of some deadline or window."

"If the education of our kids comes from radio, television, newspapers-if that's where they get most of their knowledge from, and not from schools, then the powers that be are definitely in charge, because they own all those outlets.

As the tour rolled out on into September, Tool were as stunned as everybody else by the events of 9/11 - but it wasn't long before they made it clear that their views on the matter might not coincide with the rest of America. Once George W. Bush's war on terror had started, a few weeks after the world trade center attacks, Keenan in particular found himself in a quandary.

"I can't say anything right now," he told one reporter."No matter what you say, it's construed by someone as an anti-American statement-even when its the same things you've said all along [in Tool], which is: 'Think for yourself and question authority'...The more we'll talk about this, the more I'll shoot my mouth off and end up in [trouble]. Every now and then, you get people who tend to forget what this country is about, which is a melting pot of races and cultures and freedom of speech. And as soon as you open your mouth and speak freely, [criticism] gets thrown at you...I just don't think that murder is an option to figure out a way to punish the guilty...I was in the army for three years. I received an appointment to West Point; I'm probably the only musician in my peer group who can say that. So, 'anti-American' is not a label you can put on me"

"The people who have been touched most are the families of the victims. But I'm not sure about the guys in Iowa, Montana or Arizona who get their information filtered through CNN. Because to them, information is coming in...thick with propaganda...all these media guys have hard-ons because of this war. They can sell more papers, magazines, keep us glued to the TV longer."

"Artists everywhere are up against a brick wall when it comes to speaking their minds . After the world trade center disaster, I made a point to encourage everyone at our shows to investigate on their own. Ask questions. Don't rely on the media (especially Fox News) to fill in the blanks for you. For this simple position, the position of a free thinker and a responsible citizen, I was silenced. Radio stations throughout the Midwest labelled me anti-American, which I find amusing. The censorship continued. Almost every interview I've done in the last four years was censored...all the newspapers and press wanted was gossip and road stories. Even pre-taped interviews were hacked to pieces."

"First of all," said Keenan, "our disdain for this particular administration should come as no surprise for anyone who has been listening to me for the last 14 years. We were very vocal about George Bush Sr. back when he was buying and selling bombs and oil. Anyone who bothered to listen to Bill Hicks CDs would know this. I've been very clear about this, and have been since before most of you could reach the keyboard to type your complaints...The fear and absurdity I've witnessed across this country post-9/11 breaks my heart."

More seriously, he felt that Bush's government was stripping America of its rights."We're getting into politics and I don't want to go down that path, but with the Patriot Act being shoved through...The whole way we set up our government to begin with, was so that if things went weird we could pull the plug on those guys and set up a new system. Right now, if you wanted to do that, you couldn't."

"This so-called new world order has been very effective in undermining the creative process, to the point where it is run by actors and businessmen with marketing plans. It is no longer about music. I mean, when is the last time you had three CDs come across your desk in a month that really impressed you?...I know very creative people who are considering putting their process on the back burner so that they can make money with some horrible, horrible band, one with no artistic integrity. What they don't realise is that as soon as they do that, the band will use their name to undermine anything credible they could possibly do in the future. They are so completely selling out their credibility for the money. It happens at so many levels here that people pretty much accept it as the process, and it has completely undermined everything."

"I think we are here to create a new world order," he declared."George W. Bush is an extremely evil person, and what he is doing is going to bring us down. He is going to make it very difficult for me to travel around because I am an American, and people will look at me in exactly the same way they used to look at the Germans when they were travelling in the Fifties, right after World War II. We are living in McCarthyism, the Third Reich, and people don't realise it. Look at the events of September 11. The person who profited from that was the president of the united states-the same man who was not elected by the people but instead by a fault in the electoral system. His public opinion was at an all-time low, so he benefited from it. His family's oil, war and weapons interests all benefited. And everyone was so scared they willingly gave up their civil rights, so that if anyone discovers how evil this guy is, they can't do anything about it. It really amazes me that the American people are just blindly letting this go on. They are not even considering the possibility that their government could be lying to them. It is absolutely nauseating"

Just puttin it out there if some Tool fans didn't know this.
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I’m a huge Maynard fan. I think he is one of the most talented artists out there along with who ever is one of his projects. I know all the men in tool are musical geniuses and what they produce is unbelievable art. I have been to many Tool and APC shows and I will continue to support Maynard’s talent by buying his music, wine and tickets to his shows.

With that said, I cannot accept, nor will I ever accept the notion that GWB was anyway connected to the 9/11 atrocity. Perhaps with this thought I have failed the conspiracy test, but it truly makes no sense at all to me why anyone would think GWB would purposely kill 3000 American’s for his own gain. I have to admit, it saddens me to read stuff like that coming from Maynard. But, it would sadden me more if he could not express his thoughts because we lacked a constitution with the 1st amendment.
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Tool is THE best band of all time. No doubt.
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what the fuck?? I like tool and everything but why is this pinned? The original post was made in July??

Fucken wierd....
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If anybody that listens to Tool isn't aware of this song well its not as technically awe inspiring as Lateralus the message behind the song has always held a fascination for me and Maynard must of thought it some form of recognizing the New Age Movements ascension.

Clip from the wiki with link of course.

The title references an idea first conceived by Drunvalo Melchizedek concerning the possibility of reaching a state of evolution at which the body would have two more than the normal 46 total chromosomes and leave a currently disharmonious state.[4][5] The premise is that humans would deviate from the current state of human DNA which contains 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. The next step of evolution would likely result in human DNA being reorganized into 46 and 2 chromosomes, according to Melchizedek.

Furthermore, the song references a wish to experience change through the "shadow"; an idea which represents the parts of one's personality that one hates and fears, which also exists as a recurring theme in the work of Carl Jung.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

When someone explained that meaning to me tho I'd gotten a gist of it just listening mind = blown.
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Yea I was about to reference a huge piece by Carl Jung for this video, but I have to go to work. GET A JOB!!!
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maybe later
..and now i know why things aren't as pretty from the inside..
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Secondly, get off Keenan's nuts...geez smh
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I’m a huge Maynard fan. I think he is one of the most talented artists out there along with who ever is one of his projects. I know all the men in tool are musical geniuses and what they produce is unbelievable art. I have been to many Tool and APC shows and I will continue to support Maynard’s talent by buying his music, wine and tickets to his shows.

With that said, I cannot accept, nor will I ever accept the notion that GWB was anyway connected to the 9/11 atrocity. Perhaps with this thought I have failed the conspiracy test, but it truly makes no sense at all to me why anyone would think GWB would purposely kill 3000 American’s for his own gain. I have to admit, it saddens me to read stuff like that coming from Maynard. But, it would sadden me more if he could not express his thoughts because we lacked a constitution with the 1st amendment.
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Pretty Naive the government has been killing thousands of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for years in two imperialist wars for the personal gain of the military and industrial complex and big oil interests. Grow up.
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This is awesome.

His views are clear, well-articulated, and... sober



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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1509118


If anybody that listens to Tool isn't aware of this song well its not as technically awe inspiring as Lateralus the message behind the song has always held a fascination for me and Maynard must of thought it some form of recognizing the New Age Movements ascension.

Clip from the wiki with link of course.

The title references an idea first conceived by Drunvalo Melchizedek concerning the possibility of reaching a state of evolution at which the body would have two more than the normal 46 total chromosomes and leave a currently disharmonious state.[4][5] The premise is that humans would deviate from the current state of human DNA which contains 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. The next step of evolution would likely result in human DNA being reorganized into 46 and 2 chromosomes, according to Melchizedek.

Furthermore, the song references a wish to experience change through the "shadow"; an idea which represents the parts of one's personality that one hates and fears, which also exists as a recurring theme in the work of Carl Jung.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

When someone explained that meaning to me tho I'd gotten a gist of it just listening mind = blown.
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Yea I was about to reference a huge piece by Carl Jung for this video, but I have to go to work. GET A JOB!!!
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Haha They modified my work schedule so we leave before it gets 107 degrees here in Dallas Texas where I work at a factory with No A/C don't tell me to gain employment I'm working in the sweat line too.
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Here's a good one from one of Maynards friends.

Speaking of the powers that be.

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Preach it Maynard. I especially feel the part when he says that your back is against the wall if you speak out. I have lost every Facebook friend, life long acquaintance I grew up with and have been completely isolated for speaking my mind about 9/11.

People do not want to hear it. It's like some veil has been put over people's eyes. It is unbelievable. That is the power of evil my friends, and unlucky us, we like the Germans in the late 30's early 40's got to see it descend.

9/11 is the Reichstag fire, and not only is George W. Bush one of the most evil people that's ever lived, his daddy George Sr. is also. Barack Obama and Bill Clinton are also evil, as is Jimmy Carter, Dick Cheney and a host of others.

They are all just SS with business suits on now.

I actually have gotten to the point where I actually walk around hating my fellow American because they are letting it happen and will not speak out. I almost think they all deserve what is about to happen to them.

It's cool though, because I can be gassed or tortured to death knowing I didn't support them, and that G-d gave me the gift of SEEING them.

My conscience is clear. I didn't support these wars. I have no relationship with my brother anymore because he is a soldier and HATES me because I won't go along with him and others and what they are doing.

I have lost everything. Respect, Family, Job, money, status, and my life is next. So be it.

PREACH IT MAYNARD.
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Yeah but like most who are chosen to be allowed into the elite circle of the rock music industry, the guys in Tool have selective vision when it comes to noticing gubmint corruption

i.e. they only notice when a Republican is in power

they suddenly put up blinders when its a Clinton or an Obama advancing the police state

they conveniently don't notice when Obama renews Bush's Patriot Act provisions every year

or when he continues Bush's wars and adds another of his own in Libya

So Maynard can go take a flying leap

I don't trust him

That band's entire vibe is eerie, evil and creepy as fuck


How the hell anyone can watch their videos, I don't know. Filled with all sorts of subliminals and sick imagery.

They're fucking with your mind just as much as Bush or any politician


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Yeah but like most who are chosen to be allowed into the elite circle of the rock music industry, the guys in Tool have selective vision when it comes to noticing gubmint corruption

i.e. they only notice when a Republican is in power

they suddenly put up blinders when its a Clinton or an Obama advancing the police state

they conveniently don't notice when Obama renews Bush's Patriot Act provisions every year

or when he continues Bush's wars and adds another of his own in Libya

So Maynard can go take a flying leap

I don't trust him

That band's entire vibe is eerie, evil and creepy as fuck


How the hell anyone can watch their videos, I don't know. Filled with all sorts of subliminals and sick imagery.

They're fucking with your mind just as much as Bush or any politician


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..and now i know why things aren't as pretty from the inside..
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Lateralus is a musical puzzlebox of truth and enlightenment. Very uplifting. The wise will learn as much from that album as they can from any mystery school.
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LOL..out of the members of TOOL, Maynard is the shithead of the lot.
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what the fuck?? I like tool and everything but why is this pinned? The original post was made in July??

Fucken wierd....
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not weird, it's called redeeming Karma points to get a global pin thread and get your thread noticed.
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Opiate is the most enlightenment
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"If the education of our kids comes from radio, television, newspapers-if that's where they get most of their knowledge from, and not from schools, then the powers that be are definitely in charge, because they own all those outlets."


Right! Because the government DOES NOT control the schools.
lmao

And... "George Bush was elected by the people." lol
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I will agree with you on this one
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The song 10,000 days about his deceased mother meeting God and earning her wings in Heaven. I believe a quote from Maynard, correct me if it's not him, says: When I say fuck your god, I don't mean fuck The God. A great influence band to help one THINK FOR YOURSELF
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From the book- Unleashed: The Story of TOOL


"If the education of our kids comes from radio, television, newspapers-if that's where they get most of their knowledge from, and not from schools, then the powers that be are definitely in charge, because they own all those outlets.
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That's a pretty stupid thing to say. They own the schools too..
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Tool Rocks!!!!
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Tool and Rage Against the Machine were the bands that woke me up when i was younger. Huge fans of both their works. If you are interested in finding other bands that speak about truth there is a band named "Dredg" that has been compared to Tool in style, but still different in their deliverly of the music. They have not let the Music industry stifle their creativness. They have evolved quite a bit from their early years to now so if you give them a listen check out all their CDs since they change everytime they put one out. Not trying to take the attention of off Tool here, just thought i would give a little heads up on other great bands.

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