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Last Edited by halman on 04/10/2013 11:35 AM
"And I understood that in an age where there was so much ego, because of the camera, that it was very important to look for that kind of player, ... I began to look for the kind of player that doesn't need his ego fed by stardom, but will do what he's supposed to do because he knows the game and loves the game, and will do the job the right way even if someone else gets the glory." ~ Bill Belichick

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nice synchronicity, I just recognized this McKenna quote on someones facebook page... one of my favorite quotes by him actually....
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nice synchronicity, I just recognized this McKenna quote on someones facebook page... one of my favorite quotes by him actually....
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Awesome AC. It's nice to hear that other people are giving props to McKenna on Facebook. I really like this quote too. It's comforting in a way.


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"And I understood that in an age where there was so much ego, because of the camera, that it was very important to look for that kind of player, ... I began to look for the kind of player that doesn't need his ego fed by stardom, but will do what he's supposed to do because he knows the game and loves the game, and will do the job the right way even if someone else gets the glory." ~ Bill Belichick

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"In the words of Terence McKenna "find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do." All the answers and all the questions are there. Do not make groups, do not make symbols, do not create new names for yourselves. Naming yourselves or that which you choose to change will cause limitation. The I Ching says "never confront evil directly, never name it directly, because it finds weapons and words to defend its self." You are not an army so the strategy must be stealth.

What is meant by stealth? Stealth as in subversiveness, "all truth which springs from the individual is subversive." That which is opposed is almost impossible to escape. It is not inescapable, but not escapable by physically running away from it into the woods or by mentally rejecting and projecting the histeroma onto something or someone other. Chances are that you are already immersed in it, identify with it, or perpetuate it by participation(whether unwilling or not); this is not bad, for the best way to create, transform, or transmute something is to do that from within. Just like a flower does not get rid of a seed by replacing it with its self, but does so by coming out of it.

Technology that has been designed to exploit us, for tracking us, to pick our pockets, and to sell/addict us [to] junk we do not want or need are the tools that are to be used for subversive art. A dollar bill and a tax form become a canvas; a job becomes a place for social networking; a dirt lot or your front lawn becomes a garden.

The only way out is froward it's impossible to go back,  its a froward escape; like a child being born it can not go back to the womb. Collective human civilization is being born we can not go back to the African plains/cradle of man. Global warming, the nuclear arms race, deforestation, and the pollution of rivers and the human body are the birthing pains. Our ancestors persevered as far as they did so that we could be wherever we are now; our primitive ancestors did not have paved roads, did not have GPS, flue vaccines, or thermal polyester shirts. They did not have what we now have and they made it, they didn't give up. It is our responsibility today as it was their responsibility 10,000 years ago.

Philosophy is a noncompetative team sport. Sometimes it is imperative that a generation totally comes together to do what it is needed. It is never clear just what needs to be done or how it is going to be accomplished. The 60`s was the last massive attempt at an alchemical transmutation through artistic expression; what will it be this time, only we can choose. Let the mass grid of foreclosed and abandoned homes become headquarters and gathering places to practice this art; turn their unused land into gardens. Pump out massive amounts of subversive art!

Find the others, find the others and then you will know what to do."


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"And I understood that in an age where there was so much ego, because of the camera, that it was very important to look for that kind of player, ... I began to look for the kind of player that doesn't need his ego fed by stardom, but will do what he's supposed to do because he knows the game and loves the game, and will do the job the right way even if someone else gets the glory." ~ Bill Belichick

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bump for awesomeness.

The powers are always trying to squelch individuality, they want a hive mind.

Screw 'em I say. peace
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The NO's and the Yes's are tie! Come on Yes's I'm rooting for you!! Please find your others! For a moment I was worried thinking the "No idea what your talking about" response would be #1!

cheercheercheer

It's a close one.

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In the words of Terence McKenna "find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do." All the answers and all the questions are there. Do not make groups, do not make symbols, do not create new names for yourselves. Naming yourselves or that which you choose to change will cause limitation. The I Ching says "never confront evil directly, never name it directly, because it finds weapons and words to defend its self." you are not an army so the strategy must be stealth.

What is meant by stealth? Stealth as in subversiveness "all truth which springs from the individual is subversive." That which is opposed is almost impossible to escape. It is not inescapable, but not escapable by physically running away from it into the woods or by mentally rejecting and projecting the histeroma onto something or someone other. Chances are that you are already immersed in it, identify with it, or perpetuate it by participation(weather unwilling or not); this is not bad, for the best way to create, transform, or transmute something is to do that from within. Just like a flower does not get rid of a seed by replacing it with its self, but does so by coming out of it.

Technology that has been designed to exploit us, for tracking us, to pick our pockets, and to sell/addict us [to] junk we do not want or need are the tools that are to be used for subversive art. A dollar bill and a tax form become a canvas; a job becomes a place for social networking; a dirt lot or your front lawn becomes a garden.

The only way out is froward its impossible to go back,  its a froward escape; like a child being born it can not go back to the womb. Collective human civilization is being born we can not go back to the African plains/cradle of man. global warming, the nuclear arms race, deforestation, and the pollution of rivers and the human body are the birthing pains. Our ancestors persevered as far as they did so that we could be wherever we are now; our primitive ancestors did not have paved roads, did not have GPS, flue vaccines, or thermal polyester shirts. They did not have what we now have and they made it, they didn't give up. It is our responsibility today as it was their responsibility 10,000 years ago.

Philosophy is a noncompetative team sport. Sometimes it is imperative that a generation totally comes together to do what it is needed. It is never clear just what needs to be done or how it is going to be accomplished. The 60`s was the last massive attempt at an alchemical transmutation through artistic expression; what will it be this time, only we can choose. Let the mass grid of foreclosed and abandoned homes become headquarters and gathering places to practice this art; turn their unused land into gardens. Pump out massive ammounts of subversive art!

Find the others, find the others and then you will know what to do



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find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do


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bump for awesomeness.

The powers are always trying to squelch individuality, they want a hive mind.

Screw 'em I say. peace
 Quoting: kira 1305931


Hi Kira!

Yeah, on the whole, our thinking has been lead to be all backwards. We complexify that which should be kept simple and simplify everything or everyone that we encounter that deserves to be known better.

So many times I see it in certain exchanges that take place throughout the day. It's really something that you have to consciously police yourself from doing because that way of thinking has been so engrained in our minds.

peace


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Very good post, thought provoking.

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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
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The NO's and the Yes's are tie! Come on Yes's I'm rooting for you!! Please find your others! For a moment I was worried thinking the "No idea what your talking about" response would be #1!

cheercheercheer

It's a close one.
 Quoting: TM62


chuckle

Right T!

If 'yes' can't win on this website than I'm not sure there would be any site out there that it would win on. : )

cheer cheer cheer


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i am finding others

'found' is a tense i do not process well with
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find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do



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Thanks AC. I can't watch right now but I will later tonite.

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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
 Quoting: Evan03


The way I see it you want to surround yourself or at least have good contact with those that are like minded. How well you get to know those around you depends upon how many questions you ask, or how well you go about discerning the individual(s). So no matter what, you're never going to find someone exactly like you.

As long as 'the group' doesn't label itself in such a way so that members of the group have to conform to the label. Because that's what happens in society.

'Oh, he's an American. You know what that means.'

'Oh, she's a Christian. You know what that means.'

And once the label gets thrown out there, the process of getting to know the individual stops.


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"And I understood that in an age where there was so much ego, because of the camera, that it was very important to look for that kind of player, ... I began to look for the kind of player that doesn't need his ego fed by stardom, but will do what he's supposed to do because he knows the game and loves the game, and will do the job the right way even if someone else gets the glory." ~ Bill Belichick

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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
 Quoting: Evan03


The way I see it you want to surround yourself or at least have good contact with those that are like minded. How well you get to know those around you depends upon how many questions you ask, or how well you go about discerning the individual(s). So no matter what, you're never going to find someone exactly like you.

As long as 'the group' doesn't label itself in such a way so that members of the group have to conform to the label. Because that's what happens in society.

'Oh, he's an American. You know what that means.'

'Oh, she's a Christian. You know what that means.'

And once the label gets thrown out there, the process of getting to know the individual stops.


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Ok, I got ya. Thanks for the clarification. I really like that concept.
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i am finding others

'found' is a tense i do not process well with
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You're right Sugarelf, it is an ongoing process that's happening right now as we type. Albeit I think it is happening far more intensely than it was when McKenna first made the quote in the thread title.


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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
 Quoting: Evan03


The way I see it you want to surround yourself or at least have good contact with those that are like minded. How well you get to know those around you depends upon how many questions you ask, or how well you go about discerning the individual(s). So no matter what, you're never going to find someone exactly like you.

As long as 'the group' doesn't label itself in such a way so that members of the group have to conform to the label. Because that's what happens in society.

'Oh, he's an American. You know what that means.'

'Oh, she's a Christian. You know what that means.'

And once the label gets thrown out there, the process of getting to know the individual stops.


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Good thread.

Reminds me of this...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Thread: Exploring COMMUNICATION
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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
 Quoting: Evan03


^THIS^^^
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Good thread.

Reminds me of this...

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Thread: Exploring COMMUNICATION
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humm....

interesting....


Koestler also points out that holons are autonomous, self-reliant units that possess a degree of independence and handle contingencies without asking higher authorities for instructions.

These holons are also simultaneously subject to control from one or more of these higher authorities.

The first property ensures that holons are stable forms that are able to withstand disturbances, while the latter property signifies that they are intermediate forms, providing a context for the proper functionality for the larger whole
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i am finding others

'found' is a tense i do not process well with
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You're right Sugarelf, it is an ongoing process that's happening right now as we type. Albeit I think it is happening far more intensely than it was when McKenna first made the quote in the thread title.


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you understand hf

'found' is an ideal so-to-speak....one with permanence or an end -- death in a way

and questing for ends only leads to ends


anyways -- great thread hf
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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
 Quoting: Evan03


The way I see it you want to surround yourself or at least have good contact with those that are like minded. How well you get to know those around you depends upon how many questions you ask, or how well you go about discerning the individual(s). So no matter what, you're never going to find someone exactly like you.

As long as 'the group' doesn't label itself in such a way so that members of the group have to conform to the label. Because that's what happens in society.

'Oh, he's an American. You know what that means.'

'Oh, she's a Christian. You know what that means.'

And once the label gets thrown out there, the process of getting to know the individual stops.


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Good thread.

Reminds me of this...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Thread: Exploring COMMUNICATION
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916957


thumbs

Carl Calleman insists that there will be no unifying formula for everything because reality is made up spatially of nested semi-autonomous 'halos'. Each halo is a system in and of itself and each system has its own set of rules to which it operates. Universal halo/galactic cluster halo/galactic halo/planetary halo, etc...

The social aspect to this concept looks interesting.

Thanks for the links. ; )


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I am having trouble understanding. I understand the concept of individuality that was being talked about, and our way of thinking. What I dont understand is, doesnt finding others like ouselves just put us in a "group"? Isn't that whats trying to be avoided?
 Quoting: Evan03


^THIS^^^
 Quoting: chickenlittle


The way I see it you want to surround yourself or at least have good contact with those that are like minded. How well you get to know those around you depends upon how many questions you ask, or how well you go about discerning the individual(s). So no matter what, you're never going to find someone exactly like you.

As long as 'the group' doesn't label itself in such a way so that members of the group have to conform to the label. Because that's what happens in society.

'Oh, he's an American. You know what that means.'

'Oh, she's a Christian. You know what that means.'

And once the label gets thrown out there, the process of getting to know the individual stops.


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"And I understood that in an age where there was so much ego, because of the camera, that it was very important to look for that kind of player, ... I began to look for the kind of player that doesn't need his ego fed by stardom, but will do what he's supposed to do because he knows the game and loves the game, and will do the job the right way even if someone else gets the glory." ~ Bill Belichick

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the simplest route from here to go

is simply voting yes on no...
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find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do



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Thanks AC. I can't watch right now but I will later tonite.

thumbs


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Beautiful scenery to sweet sounds. Some of those shots remind me of an old friend who I heard was hiking the Appalachian Trail this summer. Wonder how he's doing?

Thanks again AC.


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Good thread.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916957


humm....

interesting....


Koestler also points out that holons are autonomous, self-reliant units that possess a degree of independence and handle contingencies without asking higher authorities for instructions.

These holons are also simultaneously subject to control from one or more of these higher authorities.

The first property ensures that holons are stable forms that are able to withstand disturbances, while the latter property signifies that they are intermediate forms, providing a context for the proper functionality for the larger whole

 Quoting: Sugarelf



Would fractal (self similar) fields of 'social' consciousness be an accurate description?


"A social holon does not possess a dominant monad; it possesses only a definable "we-ness", as it is a collective made up of individual holons. [3] In addition, rather than possessing discrete agency, a social holon possesses what is defined as nexus agency. An illustration of nexus agency is best described by a flock of geese. Each goose is an individual holon, the flock makes up a social holon. Although the flock moves as one unit when flying, and it is "directed" by the choices of the lead goose, the flock itself is not mandated to follow that lead goose. Another way to consider this would be collective activity that has the potential for independent internal activity at any given moment."


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There aren't any "others"

There's only us...
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i am finding others

'found' is a tense i do not process well with
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You're right Sugarelf, it is an ongoing process that's happening right now as we type. Albeit I think it is happening far more intensely than it was when McKenna first made the quote in the thread title.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


you understand hf

'found' is an ideal so-to-speak....one with permanence or an end -- death in a way

and questing for ends only leads to ends


anyways -- great thread hf
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Well if that's the case I guess it depends on the context of what's 'ending', because there's no shortage of things in this world that need to 'end'. Take your pick, hehe...and questing for the end of the process in which we currently survive on this planet, so that another way can arise that's in agreement with nature, is a worthy endeavor.

hf


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Re: "Find the Others..."
I sure hope not.

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I can't seem to find any others. It might be because of where I live and where I come from but there doesn't seem to be any intelligent life left.
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I'd like to think I've found others, but in reality I have to admit I'm isolated and alienated.
So, I'm running with it, lol.
Not that I don't GaF
or that it won't change..
but that's the way it is for now.

Nice to see you Bowman!

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