MAJOR!! Scientists: unseen huge planet in our solar system not discovered

PIN THIS!!!

mainstream confirmation that yes, there's a huge planet out there, bigger than Jupiter, which we haven't observed yet, but which has a gravitational effect!!!

can we work on this mainstream hypothesis, and find evidence to link it to other phenomena? specifically, any evidence or observations that past cultures have tracked or otherwise observed any such object which might fit some of the evidence which is slowly emerging from this hypothesis?

[link to science.nasa.gov]
(check the end of the url)

Why?

The Tyche hypothesis was published in 1999.
On the internet that's the Stone Age.
The subject has been discussed here on numerous occasions.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]


You might want to read that again.
It does not say confirmed.

The gravitational effects would be on bodies in the Oort cloud, not on the inner Solar system.


Nope.

Tyche, if it exists, is a superjupiter or small brown dwarf nearly a quarter of a lightyear away orbiting the Sun once every 1,8 million years.
If we can't see it, Bronze Age people certainly wouldn't either.



The Nemesis and Tyche Hypothesis aren't really related.
The Nemesis Hypothesis was proposed in the early 80s as an explanation for a perceived periodicity in extinction events.
The Tyche Hypothesis was proposed in 1999 to explain a perceived irregularity in the origin points of long-period comets.



In astronomy Planet X means any undiscovered planet beyond Neptune.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
This article is the announcement of the discovery of Eris, now, with Pluto, reclassified as a Dwarf Planet.

not new...just been buried:)




Washington Post 1983:
By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of
the light cast by its stars ever gets through.

"All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and
has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous
planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a
great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact
that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.
"If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of
Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the
IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists
would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from
last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its
telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six
months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky
near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

"This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've
observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved
if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have
moved in six months time."

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40
degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope
aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are
only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as
50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.
"It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much
cold water as I can."

Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the
solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain.
It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot
enough like the sun to become a star.

While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that
they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck "hope" the mystery body is a distant
galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its
starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

"I believe it's one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe
before," Neugebauer said.

"If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how
the universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on."

The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it
with the world's largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro
del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in
California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough
and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite
has pinpointed its position.


December 31, 1983, Saturday, Final Edition
The distance from earth of a mysterious object in space was reported incorrectly in some editions yesterday. The correct figure is 50 billion miles

did you even read the article? nothing which you wrote here relates to anything in the article.

I never said the idea itself is new. I said these scientists have announced they have real evidence.

what even are we arguing about here? what's your point?

respectfully, your main point seems to be to downplay the meaning of my link. could we instead please focus on the topic of this here please?

Yea, old news, I remember reading about this years ago, more than once it has been brought up.

PIN THIS!!! mainstream confirmation that yes, there's a huge planet out there, bigger than jupiter, which we haven't observed yet, but which has a gravitational effect!!!

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Scientists: big planet out there somewhere.A planet-size object could be behind the odd departure of some comets from the Oort Cloud--and toward us.

That's odd.


Which is just more of the same evidence.
A telescope beats mathematical modelling every day of the week.


Your unwarranted sensationalism and your lie about it being confirmed.


The topic is Tyche.
A hypothesis that has not yet been confirmed.
It is interesting.
It is however not remotely doomey or woowoo.
It is NOT Nibiru or any other mythtaken planet/star.



Which is rather odd considering all the 'mystery' objects have been identified.
The woowoos keep citing this piece of bad journalism but never ever cite the actual scientific papers.

Guess facts are irrelevant in lalaland.

That's odd.


Which is just more of the same evidence.
A telescope beats mathematical modelling every day of the week.


Your unwarranted sensationalism and your lie about it being confirmed.


The topic is Tyche.
A hypothesis that has not yet been confirmed.
It is interesting.
It is however not remotely doomey or woowoo.
It is NOT Nibiru or any other mythtaken planet/star.

The Nemesis and Tyche Hypothesis aren't really related.
The Nemesis Hypothesis was proposed in the early 80s as an explanation for a perceived periodicity in extinction events.
The Tyche Hypothesis was proposed in 1999 to explain a perceived irregularity in the origin points of long-period comets.

PIN THIS!!! mainstream confirmation that yes, there's a huge planet out there, bigger than jupiter, which we haven't observed yet, but which has a gravitational effect!!!

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Scientists: big planet out there somewhere.A planet-size object could be behind the odd departure of some comets from the Oort Cloud--and toward us.

hello? this is the part of the article which is important.


you seem to be ignoring that in your reply. that's the whole point of this thread.

I never said it was doomey or woowoo. a little hard to follow you here sometimes.

But they are related. The Tyche hypothesis was in response to the fact that they didn't find Nemesis in the IRAS data. So they came up with the Tyche hypothesis of an object small enough that it wouldn't be detected by IRAS but still account for the comets. But now it appears that the perceived variations may just be statistical artifacts.

They've known for quite some time that there is 'something' on the edge of the system with pull. Simply finding out what is the issue.

I am curious to know how they think it's larger than Jupiter. Mass, Density has nothing to do with size, which causes effect.....