Need some Bibletard, Biblical scholar help here

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Taking things at face value and assuming that Jesus actually existed I think Jesus was the visionary in a group of probably what we would call today 'reactionaries' Paul was the schollar and writer but his works come with an embeded agenda.

Real truth across 2000 odd years is hard to come by.

Paul is Saul is Josephus.

He wrote the Bible, I couldn't care less about whats recorded in the Bible.

I am trying to understand the philosophy of Jesus through his own words, which even if they are a bit messed up are probably the only real way to learn what it was he was aiming to do.

I do not believe the current manifestation of the Church was what he had in mind.

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As I was trying to say (probably not very well) Jesus wasn't a literery schollar, more of a visionary. After this length of time all we will ever get is an edited and often bastardised version of His real teachings.

The modern proliferation of Churches and sects are a joke!

I would recommend that you don't try and shortcut the bible. There is a lot of messages in it, for everyone which are found in a lot of different areas within it.

Thread: Jesus Christ, The Son of God, the Creator, the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty.

But it has nothing to do with Jesus.

That is my point, it is similar to the Qu'Ran, the Torah etc.

It is all based on other peoples perspectives, I am mature enough and feel comfortable with God enough to come up with that part on my own.

Dangerous stuff that! Doctrine doesn't like to be messed with. That's what got Jesus into trouble in the first place

The only thing I can think of is to go to a Christian book store and ask the clerk for a Bible in which the words of Christ are printed in red.

There isi also the book "Life of Christ" which focuses on exactly what He said.

OP: What you are doing is very commendable. I approached it from a different direction, studying each religion as it came in front of me and deciding what The Truth was for myself.

I would be interested to hear from you what you found wrong with the religions of today -- let's start with the Jehovah's Witnesses. And the answer has to be from what you personally found in a study of that religion -- not what someone told you, or what you read, etc. I have studied the JW and am not a member -- so that is a fair place to start.

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Very wrong.. even the OT mentions Jesus, he was the messiah prophesied to come, and He fulfilled all the prophecies.

The NT is centered on Christ, and you have many accounts of what Jesus said from different people.

As for the Qu'Ran, which came 600 yrs after Jesus' death(lets not even mention OT which is thousands of yrs), a guy named Muhammed was visited by the Arch Angel Gabriel(whom is an angel of God in the Bible), whilst he was in a cave, so this angel tells Him basically to twist the stories of the Bible for its own agenda(many of the stories are the same but the qu'ran twists them). Worste of all it changed the story of Jesus, calling Him a prophet of God and not the Son of God, we know this is the spirit of antichrist, the qu'ran is an 'antichrist' religion.. I highly doubt the angel of God would tell Muhammed to deny Gods son, but we do know from the Bible Satan can appear as an angel of light, so I think we know who was really the angel that told muhammed these things.

Hm. Bizarre.

Anyway, your best bet to answer your OP is likely the Gospels of Thomas and Philip.

my apologies to the OP,
I gave the wrong date.

Constantine and the Council of Nicea
was in 325 AD not 1600.

had a brain failure there for a second :)

that's a problem trying to keep so many dates
in your head, they seem to run together
sometimes.

I would concur with that analogy.

Also, the OP might be interested
in viewing a documentary on youtube
entitled "Who wrote the Bible".
It was presented on the history
channel.

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Thread: PNTIUS PILATES LETTER TO TIBERIOUS CASEAR RELATING HIS ENCOUNTER WITH JESUS. Historical document

You are on the right tract Erra. I would only say prayer, and seeking God with a pure heart is the main thing. The enemy does not want you to know the truth. The truth is in there(the Bible), even with the 1700 years of corruption, but you have to dig for it. I would ignore all "scholars". I think you'll find the Gospels of Thomas and Phillip are BS. I am quoting Hebrews, but I think it is relative. "He that would come to KNOW God, must first believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who DILIGENTLY seek Him." Jesus is the mediator. Don't trust anybody. Even me.