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Shouldn't We Apply Market Forces to Govt's Instead of Gov't Forces to Markets? | |
| fellowearthling Offer Upgrade  User ID: 4125882  New Zealand10/31/2011 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imagine, instead of voting at a polling booth, you got a bill based on your 'system useage'. If you pay the bill, you get to tick up some more 'service' ~ if you don't pay then you may not receive the services, depending on, say, how generously everyone's 'tipped' the service providers recently? I know, it's far too simple, isn't it? OK, here's another scenario: You're reasonably well off DI2K's, kids are at a private school, everyone's got A1 private medical cover, there's a private security company monitoring your house alarm, boat etc., and yet do you get a tax rebate/refund for not "being a burden"...? Yeah, right! More like the harder you work, the more you produce, the more profit you make the more you get  by your 'protectors'! You'd better behave yourself too and ensure all that bookkeeping's accurate, or... Here we are watching all our 'elected representatives' congratulating themselves for making FTA's with (insert other nation here) when why the heck are they penalizing and prohibiting our free trade in the first place? Oh, that's right... mustn't let international market forces apply! We seem to be experiencing the backlash of not having allowed for these naturally occuring IMF's to freely flow earlier... It's funny, we pay to have us and our 'freedoms' protected by that which then 'dictates' how much we pay it, with no requirement for it to open it's books and point out all of your useage of it's services.  I truely do wonder how it would work out if it was all allowed to flow, unimpeded? Which would be the more 'sustainable'?  I bet Angels aren't 'taxed' for their 'contributions'! Thine Will Be Done...  Last Edited by PhellowEarthling on 10/06/2015 01:45 AM "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 4706219 New Zealand11/06/2011 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| Shingen User ID: 899829  United States11/06/2011 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The purpose of markets is to facilitate a voluntary exchange by two or more individuals. The purpose of government is to make and enforce laws. The only way to enforce laws is through coercion and violence. Without coercion and violence, governments disintegrate. Markets and governments are mutually exclusive. "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
| fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 4706219 New Zealand11/06/2011 02:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The purpose of markets is to facilitate a voluntary exchange by two or more individuals. Quoting: Shingen The purpose of government is to make and enforce laws. The only way to enforce laws is through coercion and violence. Without coercion and violence, governments disintegrate. Markets and governments are mutually exclusive. That's under the current model. I believe governments should really be there to create as level a playing field as possible to facilitate the various voluntary exchanges... Perhaps the current model's due for disintegration soon...? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| Shingen User ID: 899829 United States11/06/2011 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's under the current model. Quoting: fellowearthling I believe governments should really be there to create as level a playing field as possible to facilitate the various voluntary exchanges... The government is the reason for the monopolistic field now. Thanks to excessive licensing fees, compliance restrictions, and other regulations, it's pretty freaking hard for the average individual to enter the market as a business owner. Governments are not needed to create a level field, they are required to keep them monopolistic. It's a mathematical certainty, the only question is; will the cycle continue, or will people finally get tired of being ruled by other people and abolish the State? Last Edited by Shingen on 11/06/2011 09:52 AM "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based of five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, or county commissioners." - Edward Abbey "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." -Lysander Spooner "If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skin into their clothing, and if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order." - Firefly |
| fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 70493289 New Zealand10/06/2015 01:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 70500325 New Zealand10/06/2015 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone rated my thread! "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
| fellowearthling (OP) User ID: 71186036 New Zealand01/06/2016 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  Last Edited by PhellowEarthling on 03/18/2016 07:57 PM "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
