Do you GLP'rs honestly in your hearts believe the violence against OWS is justified, it is horrifying to watch Americas freedom eroding.

Most of these same people who are against OWS think our founding fathers were "true patriots" when they were doing the same thing, revolting against the crown.

what violence?

Is that a serious question?

I don't think the issue isn't that OWS don't have legitimate reasons and the right to protest and establish camps. I read the demands of Occupy Vancouver on babble and there isn't one of the them I wouldn't support.

The point is that the people who are secretly financing them are doing so to create a smokescreen for the fascist takeover of America the same way legitimate complaints of the Russian people were used to establish a horrifying slave state that saw the mass murder of tens of millions of unremembered and unholocaustmuseumed innocent people.

The serpent slithers behind the best intentions of humanity.

They brought it on themselves. I feel for someone getting beat down, but not if they asked for it.

If they were legally protesting, it would be horrific.

But, disturbing the peace is a crime. Squatting on public or private property that you don't own is a crime. Blocking access to streets, and infringing on everyone else's rights while you do it, is also a crime (or at least code violation). Let's not forget about the public urination and defecation; rapes and other violence against eachother and the police that has been witnessed in several OWS locations.

They are breaking a bunch of laws, hurting local businesses, and violating the rights of others while doing it. They get asked to leave, they don't leave, they get removed by force.

No one's freedoms are being taken away. If they want to go about following local laws and ordinances while they protest, they have every right to, as protected by our constitution. But if they want to act criminally, they will be treated that way.

Why is this so hard to understand? Our constitution does not say "the right to live in filthy tent city's on private property".

You would have lived a successful life in nazi germany.

They are breaking laws but big bankers and rich fat cats BUY politicians and can change the laws in their favor.

So how is that fair? Fight fire with fire.

AMEN! AMEN AMEN AMEN!

I went to lots of protest for the tparty and no one ever got arrested or beat. We were careful NOT to break the law!

And how is that working for ya???

Sieg Heil

LOL, it's obviously very effective...

absolutely

There's always one or two people in the crowd that want to escalate the encounter. The police have no idea who in the crowd has a gun, a stick or stones to throw. I don't like seeing the images of the people with bloodied faces or broken bones any more than anyone else, but there's a right time and a way right to protest. The "occupy" movement is fundamentalty flawed because it requires the protesters to actually occupy something. If they showed up every morning at 6:00 a.m. and left every night at 11:00 p.m., they'd still get their message out. They'd still be drawing attention to malicious banking practices, excessive CEO compensation and the housing mess, but they'd be doing it legally and respectfully to other folks not involved in the protests.

I don't participate in the protests or movements, I have more important things to worry about being poor.

The hatred for OWS is the same hatred for our Tea Party today. They are both castrated by the media to program people like yourself to hate them.

They may look different and have slightly differing views, but the main point is they are a threat to the establishment. For having the guts to get out there and speak their mind without fear of arrest, is commendable.

maybe you OWS idiots will finally wake up and join us tea party people to restore the constitution and limit governments power instead of protesting to give this current crop of corrupt crooks running the show more power to give you more handouts......hmmmm

Hey it started out like that and look, nothing changed, they were ignored and castrated by media outlets from the beginning. The violence now is a result of being ignored and not being heard.

What would you do if you protested and people ignored you? You would probably get violent too if you felt strongly enough about the subject.

The corrupt bankers are the ones actually running this country, take the bailout's for example.

Laws are shaped, policies are written by wall street and for wall street. That's where you need to be.

Simply voting someone else into office doesn't change a thing considering that the new face and name will just be bought by wall street for the right price.

How about we get to the root of the problem here.

are you even listening to yourself??? who writes the laws that gives the bankers control (and they aren't the only ones who have control? contrary to your populist rhetoric)

corrupt politicians elected by an idiot electorate who vote them in hoping one day, their promises of "free" shit will be honored.....dumbass

Being how Adbusters has now banned me from posting because of a single comment questioning the role "Arab Spring" played in the NATO atrocity that is now Libya I am thinking of starting and Occupy Adbusters (1243 West 7th Avenue, Vancouver, BC) movement or how about Occupy the Flack Block (the Vancouver home of the Tides Foundation at Hastings and Cambie)

Reveal the Hidden Hand. Don't just be manipulated by them.

and you would be thrown in jail for breaking the laws that govern this country-
I suppose you get pissed off if you got a ticket for SPEEDING too.

there is always a way around a law- if you know how and where to look.

what OWS is doing is not productive to the cause well actually what is there cause?

I guess I don’t know what the hell they are even doing.

What I do know is –
you can protest in many other ways, there are things you can do
And resorting to a temper tantrum for not “getting heard” sorry then that tantrum hurts the
Same people that have to protect your rights !!!

If you like I can and will come up with all of the people that help you and me when we really do need it that have been hurt by these OWS babys

There the police- yep that’s them the ones that have to sit there and Protect them as they literally get SHIT thrown at them.
Do you understand this- Example for you all =Joe Police officer - I’m here to watch over you and make sure that you are able to protest… to make sure that this is a orderly and that no one gets hurt, You or me
Yep that’s right someone just threw there SHIT on me!

so sad that I even have to say this… no really
OWS is hurting not helping the people the real people like me
I am ashamed of them.

The OWS crowd are simply useful idiots brought and paid for by far left scumbags seeking to bring froth their fucked up ideology. They claim they are the 99% who wish to bring down the rich 1%. What utter and total bullshit. They have no interest what so ever of taking down the 1%. Their actions and protests have no effect on the rich and powerful but more on the common citizens who are simply trying to get on with their everyday lives. These people are far left fucktards to lazy and to useless to get off their butts and make a go of it. They believe the world owes them a living and would rather take from others. Their cause will never gain the traction they so desperately long for because most sensible people see the lies they hide behind.

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BTW - your post lasted more than 5 min

Oh shut up, Canada twit.

I would say that an important question is why "local laws and ordinances" seem to trump Constitutional Rights? No where in the Constitution does it say that we may assemble subject to local ordinances.

you do realise that most of your posts are becoming a cliche?

Yes, actually, it does. It's called the 10th amendment.


“ The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ”

The states, and local governments don't prohibit anyone from assembling peacefully, but there are laws in place to safeguard that the assembly remains peaceful, and to protect those not involved in the assembly in the event that it becomes a public nusiance or safety hazard.

Btw, if you don't think your local laws and ordinances are fair, then you need to get involved in politics at the most local level, like city or county. Don't just complain about it.
Find out what the process is to get something on the local ballot, and then actually do it. Then the people can vote on it, just the way the constitution intended.
How do you think 'local laws an ordinances' were enacted in the first place? They were voted upon by 'the people' or their representatives.
Take a civics class or something.

For anyone familiar with Terry Goodkind's book 'Faith of the Fallen', I equate the current OWS protests with the first time the people tried to rise against the Imperial Order in the city of Altur'Rang. They asked Richard to lead them. He asked what they planned to do. They said that they were going to peacefully protest. He told them that he would stay out of it, then. That many of them would be hurt or killed in that ineffective rising.

But he told them that when they were ready to rise with violence and were ready to kill for their beliefs (like those that started our Revolutionary War did), that he would fight with them.


That is how I feel about OWS. This is ineffective. The media picks out the crazies and those making unreasonable demands. They talk (as many do here) about the rapes and such. With the many thousands that are a part of this protest across the nation, that is a very small percentage of the full strength and meaning behind what is truly wanted by most. But even without those extremes, the people are ignored or mocked.

When they drop their picket signs and pick up a weapon, I will join them.

Violence against your own citizens is never justified in my opinion.

What most that are against them fail to recognize is that they, the protesters are citizens, who hold all rights to freedom of expression, just as those that are against it do.

We are being systematically raped by those in power and freedom is being eroded every chance they get.

Need proof, look no further than the shut down of budget disussions in our own parliament.

I am really proud of my mp, Pat Martin for standing up and speaking out against the shroud the pc's have throw around parliament, which is unheard of in Canadian politics.

Personally, I think the dropping of the f-bomb by Pat was a very smart move, people are paying more attention to the sneaky ways the government is acting by all the press it is getting.

Keep dropping the f-bombs Pat.

[link to www.cbc.ca]

Added a link to story on the dropping of the f-bomb and the reason behind it.

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