Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8185968 United States 01/03/2012 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! That is so un-right and it scars the kids. Quoting: Turtle My son died - I didn't take pics of him dead And my sister died when I was 9 and no one took pics I know back in the day folks took pics of dead kin, but jesum crow, it was hard enough to see my sister in a casket dead, what if my parents had elected to take her home - I think my scars woulda been far worse. My mom, circa 1930s, talks about home funerals and talks of the nightmares and scars of having dead folk in the house. The dude is a nutjob. Yea, imagine your parents bring your sister home, forcing you to cuddle with her, sing to her, and kiss her... This is not normal behavior! IT WAS NOT EVEN NORMAL FOR THE VICTORIAN ERA! Is there anyplace , in the article in the Washington Post, where it says the children were forced to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? Apparently you have trouble reading, it was one of the first things posted in this thread. "There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass." Unless you believe 6, 4 and 1 1/2 year olds have the ability to decide things like this for themselves? I guess they said, "hey daddy, can I please kiss my 6inch baby brother you have in the palm of your hand" That 1 1/2 year old sure is mature, I guess it should be able to decide if it wants to have sex or not too if it is able to decide whether or not it wants to kiss dead fetuses... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1480093 United States 01/03/2012 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! No, they took their 20-week-old BABY home. They held their BABY, showed the siblings their BABY BROTHER WHO HAD DIED, and then held a funeral for their BABY. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4242853 No, no, no, it's a fetus and anyone who says otherwise and has their children participate in such grieving cerimonies involving the not-a-baby fetus is guilty of child abuse and must never be elected to a public office... /sarc How is it OK or normal to bring home a dead 1 year old baby and force your kids to cuddle with it, sing to it, and kiss it? How is that normal? It is not. How is that healthy? It is not. We're not talking about a dead 1 year old, we're talking about a baby that never got to experience life outside the womb or meet the family. I find it incredible that you have decided you get to judge the grieving process of this family. How dare you. How dare you. I repeat, that is not even normal for the Victorian era. It would have been considered strange in an era where they forced their kids to sweep chinmeys and work in mines without any protection. Quoting: shameless cowardOthers have already shown this statement to be false. Which others do you speak? - those that had a miscarriage or as the medical community calls it a "spontaneous abortion". Or those of us that raised kids and would never disrespect them as to take a pic when they are dead? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8185968 United States 01/03/2012 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! Excuse me ... but ... I think this belongs to you ........ "It's always wrong to hate, but it's never wrong to love." Excuse me, but nobody is hating the guy. We are simply saying he is mentally disturbed, and not fit to be president. Oh and astromut, we did not judge his family, just him and his wife, his children had no say in the matter. |
Miss Kitty User ID: 7407574 United States 01/03/2012 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! That is so un-right and it scars the kids. Quoting: Turtle My son died - I didn't take pics of him dead And my sister died when I was 9 and no one took pics I know back in the day folks took pics of dead kin, but jesum crow, it was hard enough to see my sister in a casket dead, what if my parents had elected to take her home - I think my scars woulda been far worse. My mom, circa 1930s, talks about home funerals and talks of the nightmares and scars of having dead folk in the house. The dude is a nutjob. Yea, imagine your parents bring your sister home, forcing you to cuddle with her, sing to her, and kiss her... This is not normal behavior! IT WAS NOT EVEN NORMAL FOR THE VICTORIAN ERA! Is there anyplace , in the article in the Washington Post, where it says the children were forced to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? From the article - which we could put any kind of meaning to it - "He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says." So how they decided to make it clear to the kids, the kids still saw a dead 20 week fetus. Where, in the article, which you are using as your information to judge, does it say the children were FORCED to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 01/03/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! Which others do you speak? - those that had a miscarriage or as the medical community calls it a "spontaneous abortion". Quoting: Turtle Or those of us that raised kids and would never disrespect them as to take a pic when they are dead? How dare you. I sit in absolute amazement at how judgemental other people are. You amaze me, and not in a good way. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8053005 United States 01/03/2012 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! I don't know what to think of that, but it doesn't sound normal. Years ago I lost a baby at 22 weeks. I had a regular birth, but baby was too premature to live. I held her in my arms in the hospital bed for 2 hours before she died. I was devastated for a long time from that. To take premature baby home that way sounds a bit freaky to me. But to each his own I guess. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 01/03/2012 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! Oh and astromut, we did not judge his family, just him and his wife, his children had no say in the matter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8185968 You know damn well what I meant by my words, and yes, you are incredibly judgemental. I will now vote for Santorum, just to spite people like you. Hadn't made up my mind till today. I'm serious. |
Miss Kitty User ID: 7407574 United States 01/03/2012 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! That is so un-right and it scars the kids. Quoting: Turtle My son died - I didn't take pics of him dead And my sister died when I was 9 and no one took pics I know back in the day folks took pics of dead kin, but jesum crow, it was hard enough to see my sister in a casket dead, what if my parents had elected to take her home - I think my scars woulda been far worse. My mom, circa 1930s, talks about home funerals and talks of the nightmares and scars of having dead folk in the house. The dude is a nutjob. Yea, imagine your parents bring your sister home, forcing you to cuddle with her, sing to her, and kiss her... This is not normal behavior! IT WAS NOT EVEN NORMAL FOR THE VICTORIAN ERA! Is there anyplace , in the article in the Washington Post, where it says the children were forced to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? Apparently you have trouble reading, it was one of the first things posted in this thread. "There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass." Unless you believe 6, 4 and 1 1/2 year olds have the ability to decide things like this for themselves? I guess they said, "hey daddy, can I please kiss my 6inch baby brother you have in the palm of your hand" That 1 1/2 year old sure is mature, I guess it should be able to decide if it wants to have sex or not too if it is able to decide whether or not it wants to kiss dead fetuses... There is not ONE reference to the children cuddling or kissing the deceased baby. Reread the article again genius. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1480093 United States 01/03/2012 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! Displaying photos of passed on loved ones: A nice thing to do to remember them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5761840 Displaying pictures of dead people: FUCKED UP TWISTED AND INSANE Exactly! Here's a pic of my LIVING son How nice that you were fortunate enough to be able to take pictures of your son before he died. Not all of us are so lucky. Well, I also lost one in the womb and had to do a funeral. I didn't take pics of the little thing - he was dead for God's sake! It's disrespecting the dead - it's also disrespecting the life he may have had - it's selfish - it's attention whoring - look at me and my pics of my dead baby - Yes, I raised a kid for 18 years and then he died - I didn't take pics of him dead |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8185968 United States 01/03/2012 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! Oh and astromut, we did not judge his family, just him and his wife, his children had no say in the matter. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8185968 You know damn well what I meant by my words, and yes, you are incredibly judgemental. I will now vote for Santorum, just to spite people like you. Hadn't made up my mind till today. I'm serious. Good for you. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8185968 United States 01/03/2012 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8185968 Yea, imagine your parents bring your sister home, forcing you to cuddle with her, sing to her, and kiss her... This is not normal behavior! IT WAS NOT EVEN NORMAL FOR THE VICTORIAN ERA! Is there anyplace , in the article in the Washington Post, where it says the children were forced to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? Apparently you have trouble reading, it was one of the first things posted in this thread. "There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass." Unless you believe 6, 4 and 1 1/2 year olds have the ability to decide things like this for themselves? I guess they said, "hey daddy, can I please kiss my 6inch baby brother you have in the palm of your hand" That 1 1/2 year old sure is mature, I guess it should be able to decide if it wants to have sex or not too if it is able to decide whether or not it wants to kiss dead fetuses... There is not ONE reference to the children cuddling or kissing the deceased baby. Reread the article again genius. My God: "they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1109332 United States 01/03/2012 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! OP AND ALL OTHERS WHO DONT LIKE THIS I HOPE YOU DONT HAVE KIDS AS YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING THAT CHILD IS A HUMAN NOT A THING AND SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH WITH RESPECT AND LOVE Quoting: ttowngirl SHAME ON U I LOST A BABY BEFORE WHILE 5 MONTHS PREGNANT NO HEARTBEAT I HAD TO GO IN AND DELIVER THE BABY BOY I CALLED ISRAEL I HAVE PICTURES SAVED OF HIM HE IS STILL A CHILD OF MINE NOT A THING BURIED SOMEWHERE I have not lost a child but I have children and I understand this. I'm not a Santorum fan but that has nothing to do with how parents handle the death of a child. They handled it correctly with their kids as they saw fit, and I don't see anything wrong there. I'm sorry for your loss of your dear baby. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1466838 United States 01/03/2012 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! No, they took their 20-week-old BABY home. They held their BABY, showed the siblings their BABY BROTHER WHO HAD DIED, and then held a funeral for their BABY. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4242853 Just for your information, all you grown-up fetuses out there, many babies born today near that stage can be saved in the NICU. How would you feel if their 2-year-old had died at the hospital and they'd just asked the doctor to flush it for them? Anyone reading this who is against abortion had better make some decisions about when it's a baby and when it's just a lump of flesh. I do not know how to copy pictures into a post, but take a quick look at what a BABY looks like at 20 weeks. VEry small, but fully formed and sucking its thumb. You think Santorum's the sicko? Tossing a stillborn child out at the hospital is what's sick. What they did speaks volumes about Santorum's character--and what all of you posted above says volumes about yours. Make no mistake, God will judge. Both Santorum and YOU. And looks like it might be soon, too. Yup. They took their baby home because he was part of their family. They wanted closure and to say goodbye. A human being should not be just tossed out and forgotten. |
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DonHeau User ID: 1359307 United States 01/03/2012 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8185968 Yea, imagine your parents bring your sister home, forcing you to cuddle with her, sing to her, and kiss her... This is not normal behavior! IT WAS NOT EVEN NORMAL FOR THE VICTORIAN ERA! Is there anyplace , in the article in the Washington Post, where it says the children were forced to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? Apparently you have trouble reading, it was one of the first things posted in this thread. "There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass." Unless you believe 6, 4 and 1 1/2 year olds have the ability to decide things like this for themselves? I guess they said, "hey daddy, can I please kiss my 6inch baby brother you have in the palm of your hand" That 1 1/2 year old sure is mature, I guess it should be able to decide if it wants to have sex or not too if it is able to decide whether or not it wants to kiss dead fetuses... There is not ONE reference to the children cuddling or kissing the deceased baby. Reread the article again genius. So you think they ate it? We opened doors by thinking. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1480093 United States 01/03/2012 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8185968 Yea, imagine your parents bring your sister home, forcing you to cuddle with her, sing to her, and kiss her... This is not normal behavior! IT WAS NOT EVEN NORMAL FOR THE VICTORIAN ERA! Is there anyplace , in the article in the Washington Post, where it says the children were forced to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? From the article - which we could put any kind of meaning to it - "He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says." So how they decided to make it clear to the kids, the kids still saw a dead 20 week fetus. Where, in the article, which you are using as your information to judge, does it say the children were FORCED to kiss and cuddle the deceased baby??? Let me tell you from my own perspective of seeing my sister dead as a little kid. The fact that brought the baby home - Jesum! Did you experience that as a kid? Did you see your dead sibling in a funeral home or your own home? Trust me, as much as the funeral home sucked - it would be far better than bringing my dead sister into the house. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1466838 United States 01/03/2012 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Santorum took home wife's dead 20 week old fetus from the hospital, forced his kids to hold, KISS, talk and sing to it, then took family photos! People mourn their dead differently but I have to say that taking your dead child home to cuddle freaks me out. Quoting: Dragonslayer If the children wanted to see their brother and cuddle him then fine. But I wouldn't force them. I wouldn't force them or anyone to see any dead person. But I would acknowledge the death and have a burial. |