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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8787134 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another thing: i believe there is also a correlation between cold air and baldness. When the exposed hairline is constantly exposed to cold winds, then the skin cells naturally contract. There is a small muscle attached to the follcile, and it is called the erector pilli muscle. When this muscle is exposed to cold air it causes the follicle to contract, thus reducing blood flow. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211208 United States 01/19/2012 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spend all my time having sex and the testosterone protein never gets up past my waist. Now do you want to fuck or grow hair? |
JackedVegan User ID: 9066073 United States 01/19/2012 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isn't there also a correlation between DHT and beard growth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9087302 I'm only curious because while my hairline is receeding, my beard is comparatively spotty. Yes, there's a correlation...DHT CAUSES thicker beard growth, as well as body hair. Sorry, but you can't expect to live a normal life without having sex, sweating, or increasing your heart rate -- even if inhibiting those things did help reverse baldness, what would your quality of life be like? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8787134 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isn't there also a correlation between DHT and beard growth? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9087302 I'm only curious because while my hairline is receeding, my beard is comparatively spotty. Again, this spottiness is down to the arteries on the side of your face / temples being heavily compressed against your pillow. The hair follicles of your beard are not receiving enough oxygen necessary to metabolize the DHT, so there is partial clogging, thus causing the patchiness or spottiness. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 8787134 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Male pattern baldness is caused by lack of testosterone protein reaching the scalp. I am a victim of this very scenaro. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208 I spend all my time having sex and the testosterone protein never gets up past my waist. Now do you want to fuck or grow hair? No. It's true that testosterone does cause protein synthesis in cells, thus making them larger (anabolism), but without the adequate oxygen, then these cells will not metabolize testosterone, and it will only clog them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1211208 United States 01/19/2012 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Male pattern baldness is caused by lack of testosterone protein reaching the scalp. I am a victim of this very scenaro. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208 I spend all my time having sex and the testosterone protein never gets up past my waist. Now do you want to fuck or grow hair? No. It's true that testosterone does cause protein synthesis in cells, thus making them larger (anabolism), but without the adequate oxygen, then these cells will not metabolize testosterone, and it will only clog them. if you have as much sex as I do....it's all going out the end of my dick... My hair doesn't stand a chance... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8797523 United States 01/19/2012 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have tried not masturbating for a month based on info I found at hairlosshelp.com in their forum section, and I did see some results in that short period of time, small little hairs sprouting where the hair was gone. But the urge to fondle myself took over and my hair loss has only gotten worse over the years... I think our bodies know the difference between masturbation, sex with a condom, and real sex to make babies perhaps...it knows when we're just wasting our sperm for pleasure. The idea that were supposed to masturbate 1-3 times a day to be healthy seems excessive and rather ridiculous. I'm going to gain some willpower and try to not masturbate for a year. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 737470 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have tried not masturbating for a month based on info I found at hairlosshelp.com in their forum section, and I did see some results in that short period of time, small little hairs sprouting where the hair was gone. But the urge to fondle myself took over and my hair loss has only gotten worse over the years... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8797523 I think our bodies know the difference between masturbation, sex with a condom, and real sex to make babies perhaps...it knows when we're just wasting our sperm for pleasure. The idea that were supposed to masturbate 1-3 times a day to be healthy seems excessive and rather ridiculous. I'm going to gain some willpower and try to not masturbate for a year. I'm OP. You can still masturbate, but if you're currently losing your hair, I'd advise that you do it as little as possible. Also, when you masturbate make sure you don't do it vigorously otherwise your heart rate will greatly increase along with body heat, and then DHT filled blood will travel to your scalp. I'd also advise you to never do it when you're in bed and ready to go to sleep (for the reasons i mentioned in my thread). DHT is formed from cholesterol, and, as we know, sterols are difficult for the body to metabolize, hence why the scalp is prone to clogging. And thanks for affirming that you noticed signs of regrowth after you gave up. This just proves what I'm saying in regards to masturbating and DHT clogging is correct. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 962069 Canada 01/19/2012 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use Nioxin hair care products. I have used thm now for 15 years and my hair stopped thining! They are designed to remove the DHT. And it is mainly a natural product. Just passing this along. nioxin.com is the website. I can only buy this at hair salons and it is not that expensive..maybe 100 bucks a year. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 737470 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use Nioxin hair care products. I have used thm now for 15 years and my hair stopped thining! They are designed to remove the DHT. And it is mainly a natural product. Just passing this along. nioxin.com is the website. I can only buy this at hair salons and it is not that expensive..maybe 100 bucks a year. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 962069 I'm glad the product you used worked for you, I just prefer the natural approach. I'd sooner treat the cause, not the symptom, that's why I've been studying this problem for years. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8823358 United States 01/19/2012 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I keep getting emails from guys who read a thread I created on here about male pattern baldness some months ago. I have since discovered more things in regards to the causes of this problem, so I will share what I since discovered, with you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8787134 In 2004 or 5 I discovered that DHT was a culprit in the onset of male pattern baldness, and patients who took an anti-DHT pill to treat hairloss reported loss of sex drive. So, I surmised there was a link between DHT production and sex drive, and assumed that giving up masturbating would cause DHT levels to drop and allow my hair to grow back. So, back in 2004 or 5, I refrained from masturbating for 3 or 4 months, and to my great surprise I started to notice small blonde hairs growing on my hairline where it was previously bald. As time went by, more hair regrew and became thicker and darker. However, I soon slipped back into my old ways of excessive masturbation and my hair began to recede again. I have decided to re-embark on my program, but this time - along with my new discoveries - I am going to see it right through until my hair is completely restored. Please excuse me if you're already familiar with the information contained in this paragraph, but just to briefly explain why excessive masturbating can contribute to male pattern baldness: Each time we become sexually aroused, the prostate gland produces an enzyme called 5 alpha reductase. This Enzyme converts testosterone into dyhydrotestosterone -- a more potent version of regular testosterone. OK, so when we masturbate, heart rate naturally increases and so does body heat. 35 to 40% of body heat is released from small sweat glands attached to the hair follicles of the scalp; this is why we feel lots of heat around our temples/hairlines when we masturbate or when we do any other physical activity which causes us to produce body heat. Now each time this DHT filled blood rushes to the head, DHT is prone to building up within the blood vessels connecting to the follicles and therefore causing clogging. This clogging doesn't solely happen through masturbating, but other contributory factors are involved as I will now delve into. In addition to the DHT/masturbating dilemma, I discovered something else, which I advise you to take serious notice of: the scalp contains two muscle groups we lay on when we sleep. Hair loss never occurs where these muscles are situated. Please click on these links and look at the muscles I am talking about: [link to dmmassage.com] [link to upload.wikimedia.org] Notice the familiar egg-in-the-nest effect when a man goes through the advanced stages of pattern baldness, i.e., the hair disappears at the top, but remains around the lower back and sides? The temporalis muscle and the occiptalis muscle provide lots of oxygen to the hairs situated on the layers of skin covering these muscles, so DHT is easily metabolised here and doesn't clog the follicles. However, there are no muscle groups in the upper region of the scalp, so oxygen levels are minimal compared to the lower scalp, thus making it more prone to DHT clogging. This upper region is called the Galea Aponeurotica: [link to images.corriere.it] Now, consider this: how long do we sleep on average? Around about 8 hours per night, yes? Now the head is the heaviest part of the body, and if follicles are heavily compressed by the weight of our heads against a pillow for 8 hours per night, oxygen and blood circulation would be massively reduced to them. DHT builds up as you sleep because your hairline and upper scalp is compressed against a pillow. So, if you want DHT to clear from your scalp and achieve hair regrowth, you must not sleep on this vulnerable area of the scalp. Instead, fix your pillows so that you are sleeping only on the scalp muscles provided in the links, and allow the galea to hang over the edge of your pillow. When we sleep on the upper temples a large artery situated around the hairline (the temporalis artery) is compressed against the pillow. When this artery is compressed against a pillow for the whole time we sleep metabolism is lowered to the surrounding cells and DHT is more prone to building up and clogging (this is why our hairlines begin to recede, due to the temples being compressed against the pillow). The problem is made worse if you masturbate just before you go to sleep because this DHT filled blood goes to the scalp, and your scalp can't metabolize this DHT because it is compressed against a pillow for hours. So if you have to masturbate on that rare occasion, make sure you NEVER do it before you go to bed, instead do it when your metabolism is active so that blood will effectively circulate and minimize the chances of DHT build up in the scalp. Also - very importantly: when you're sleeping, make sure that your bedroom is well ventilated, so that fresh oxygen is always being supplied to your cells, otherwise you will be breathing in waste carbon dioxide gases you've breathed out. When carbon dioxide is breathed in, it forms into carbonic acid in the blood. Any cells which have difficulty in receiving oxygen will be prone to carbon acid build up, and will begin to inflame. Now, the follicles of the scalp (of baldinng men) are oxygen deficient because they are clogged with DHT, so they will be highly prone to the effects of carbonic acid, and thus will be first to become inflamed.You may have noticed that when you're losing your hair you experience a prickly stinging sensation around your hairline or any area where hairloss occurs; this is caused by carbonic acid inflaming your follicles, due to (oxygen deficiency). Simply put airloss causes hairloss. While we're on the subject of sleep; I have to tell you that it is very, very important to get to bed early, especially after a long, hard day day at work. If you burn the midnight oil too much, then you are prone to exhaustion and premature aging because you're body is in oxygen/nutrient debt; carbonic acid will build up in cells and you will suffer worse hairloss. So if you want carbonic acids to be kept very low, then you must make sure that oxygen levels are completely restored to your cells, and this is achieved through plenty of sleep. Another theory in the onset of baldness (which I agree is a major contributory factor) is skull size. When the skull is larger than average the skin of the scalp will be slightly tighter than normal, which would naturally lower the levels of blood circulation and therefore oxygen to cells. And as I previously explained, cells lower in oxygen are more prone to carbonic acid build up. And let's not forget, cells lower in oxygen will have lower metabolism, circulation will be slower and DHT clogging is more likely. But if you sleep without the galea (upper temples and scalp) compressed against a pillow, then circulation will be increased to the galea and DHT will begin clear away. Also, over production of adrenaline can lead to a tighter scalp because adrenaline acts as a vasoconstrictor to skin cells, and a vasodilator to skeletal muscles. So... adrenaline lowers blood circulation to skin cells, and increases it to muscle groups. If adrenaline is not discharged from the body (via physical activity), then it will naturally build up and make the skin become tighter. You may have noticed that in bald men the scalp looks shinier than men who have hair. This shininess occurs because of tightness largely caused by adrenaline making the skin cells tighter. When we are chronically stressed out we produce more adrenaline, which then causes heart rate and blood pressure to increase. When this happens blood rushes to the head in order to release body heat from the small sweat glands attached to the follicles, and so the skin of the scalp becomes a target site for adrenaline build up, thus causing the follicles to enter into a permanent state of contraction. So, in a nutshell: 1) Masturbate as little as possible to reduce DHT build up within the scalp. 2) Never sleep on the galea aponeurotica region of the scalp (always sleep on the scalp muscles), so that blood circulation increases to the hairline and upper scalp in general. 3) Always get plenty of sleep to restore oxygen levels to cells, so that carbonic acids are low. 4) Try to relax so that adrenaline levels are minimalized, and the cells of the upper scalp will dilate and allow more blood circulation. 5) (I forgot to touch upon this): Eat a healthy diet. Eating a healthy balanced diet really does help in making the hair healthy. Hope this helps, and good luck. P.S. if you want any more free advice my email is: [email protected] No wonder my hair is sooo thick!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2649635 United States 01/19/2012 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In all seriousness though, DHT will wreck your scalp hair, but thicken your facial and body hair. It will also lend to strength and lean mass gains. DHT is becoming the king of hormones for strength athletes these days. I have been blessed with a thick head of hair, so i am actually trying to elevate my DHT levels because i have strength goals. If you would like more beard growth and strength gains i recommend these: Creatine Transdermal Magnesium Oil Nettle Root Capsules Plenty of water Compound Lifts: Deadlift, squat, bench. Take these supplements, lift heavy, drink water, and watch your body get hard and strong, and your beard get thicker... and your head hair to fall out, lol. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5503184 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In all seriousness though, DHT will wreck your scalp hair, but thicken your facial and body hair. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2649635 It will also lend to strength and lean mass gains. DHT is becoming the king of hormones for strength athletes these days. I have been blessed with a thick head of hair, so i am actually trying to elevate my DHT levels because i have strength goals. If you would like more beard growth and strength gains i recommend these: Creatine Transdermal Magnesium Oil Nettle Root Capsules Plenty of water Compound Lifts: Deadlift, squat, bench. Take these supplements, lift heavy, drink water, and watch your body get hard and strong, and your beard get thicker... and your head hair to fall out, lol. DHT itself does not destroy follicles, it is down to the major clogging it causes which reduces oxygen to the follicle. Oxygen deficiency causes a build up of carbonic acid, which then damages the cell through inflammation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9138176 Portugal 01/19/2012 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great thread, OP. Now I understand... the masturbation, the sleep position, stress, everything is connected. But the increasing heart rate and body temperature is easily associated with sports. Do you recommend stop with those? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4634685 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great thread, OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9138176 Now I understand... the masturbation, the sleep position, stress, everything is connected. But the increasing heart rate and body temperature is easily associated with sports. Do you recommend stop with those? Sports do increase heart rate and body temperature, as well as testosterone production, but staying physically active also assists in increased blood circulation, which prevents DHT building up in the scalp, not to mention providing lots of oxygen to cells. The problem arises when our bodies are in oxygen debt caused by exhaustion from too much physical activity, i.e., not getting enough rest after hard exercise or a hard day at work (especially if your job is physically demanding). When oxygen levels are low, then there will be a massive build up of carbonic and lactic acid in the bloodstream. Now, if your scalp is clogged with DHT you will experience the effects of acidosis in the form of inflammation in your scalp. Not only this but, connected to the follicle are small sweat glands which assist in releasing body heat. Now DHT clogs the blood vessels connecting to these sweat glands, and when this happens body heat cannot escape from the skin as effectively and this heat causes the cells to shrink. When cells are constantly exposed to temperatures beyond 40C, then they cannot thrive and begin to shrink (Cell division can't take place beyond 40C). This is why we sweat during exercise so that the cells can cool down, but they can't cool down if the sweat glands are clogged with DHT. P.S. if you do experience this inflammation in your scalp, I advise you to lay on your back and it will completely disappear after around 5 to 10 minutes. |
2020 User ID: 9502740 United States 03/09/2012 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TO: Anonymous Coward First of all: we knew that DHT was the culprit of male pattern baldness a LONG time ago... At least from 1974, here read this: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Second: your theory that masturbation causes MPB is dumb... Look at all the porn stars who have sex many times a day and yet most of them have NO HAIR LOSS whatsoever. How do you explain that? Some people have hair follicles that are immune to DHT, therefore they can do whatever they want and their hair will never ever miniaturize... Third: your scalp/bloodflow/circulation crap is BS too because plenty of people are doing whatever they want and they have no hair loss.... yes, you should probably eat better anyways, but at the end of the day it's genetics that it causing you to lose hair in a predetermined pattern.... |
T of G User ID: 12242970 Italy 03/09/2012 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP these are some very good ideas. I have some others to share with yours which I figured out long ago. I have noticed that most people who wear hats do go bald. Especially those who constantly wear baseball type hats. I believe that restricts the blood from going to the hair follicles and after a time the follicles may die or become dormant. A lot of especially baseball players do go bald even when young. Years ago many men wore fedora hats which also were tight around the scalp and baldness was quite common. Therefore if one wants to have hair on their heads as they age, don't wear hats. Also if one stimulates the hair follicles by vigorous rubbing of the scalp, EVEN THOUGH AS ONE BEGINS TO DO THAT MUCH MORE HAIR WILL FALL OUT. But that was loose hair ready to fall out anyway and by stimulating the scalp the same follicle which lost that hair will rapidly grow new strong hair. I also noticed that as many men found their hair thinning they would try to not disturb their scalp when combing it, for fear of losing more hair. And I think that is the worst thing to do, they should vigorously rub their scalp even though a LOT OF HAIR will come out at first, until the follicles begin to get loose and have the nutrients reach it from the blood which will be better circulating to the scalp because of the RUBBING. For many years since I was a young kid, I would vigorously rub my scalp for one minute each morning. And I have a full head of hair while most my age are bald or balding. . |
T of G User ID: 12242970 Italy 03/09/2012 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And I think that is the worst thing to do, they should vigorously rub their scalp even though a LOT OF HAIR will come out at first, until the SCALP begin to get loose and have the nutrients reach it from the blood which will be better circulating to the scalp because of the RUBBING. I MEANT TO SAY; AS THE SCALP GETS LOOSE. and have the nutrients reach it from the blood which will be better circulating to the scalp because of the RUBBING. . . |