GETTING OUT: 1,000+ Americans ditched their citizenship over taxes

additionally, you have to get citizenship with a new country before you can renounce your US citizenship

AND you must be current on your taxes before you can renounce

AND it still takes a year or two to get an appt to do so


FYI, you have to live in NZ with permanent residency for 5 years before you are eligible to apply for citizenship

Canada has a national debt of 440 billion dollars, accrued from borrowing 38 billion fiat (created out of thin air) money. The other 402 billion is from compound accrued interest.

Think about it. The total "debt" came out of nowhere except signatures on paper. To service that "debt", millions of people go without necessities and some of them die from poverty and lack.

This is the kind of system that those who support their governments pay for while being ignorant while being ignorant of the truth.

Who are the real traitors?

I guess I am old school and wonder where your loyalty lies when you take citizenship in 2 countries.

"As long as there are sovereign states with their separate armaments and armament secrets, new world wars cannot be avoided.”"




The international jewish bankers do not tolerate free sovereign states. Freedom means having your own national bank. Not a jewish central bank that prints money out of thin air, then demands the assets of the nation; their people, (social security number, or tax I.D.) minerals, highways, water, etc.

No Jewish central bank means no deflation, inflation, market rigging. "world wars cannot be avoided" because judaism refuses to allow gentiles to be free. He who controls a nations money, makes the laws. They print money to buy politicians & their votes.

The jewish community will bring war everywhere a free people live. They never fight it themselves, always having others do the fighting & dieing, but, are first to feast upon the spoils of war.

My loyalty lies with humanity. Nations and nationality exist only in our imaginations. "United States of America" is a legal fiction.

Not far behind ya.


All the best, and good for you and yours, You are a true Patriot. Americans if they stood for the Constitution would ALL stop paying their taxes.

"No more taxation without representation." We used to go to war for this ideal. Now, everyone would rather pay their captors and scorn those who wont abide by it.

Last Edited by Sivaro on 01/25/2012 02:02 PM

You have to get a second nationality first before you can renounce the first. Otherwise nobody could change their nationality and would be stuck with the citizenship of their birth.

Hey people the last time I checked we are are all SOVERIGN...that's what makes the Consitution. Just don't pay your taxes. Look it up. Tax's are voluntary.

Be Free

My loyalty lies with the humanity of my own country first. We are all stuck and there is not a damn thing you or I can do about it...together would be a different story entirely but again that's another fiction. Peace.

I understand the lag time on changing citizenship. I guess from my personal experience of those I know who carry 2 cards their loyalty does not lie with US but their home country. And it does piss me off but what can I do about it.

Paying taxes in america equals complicity to the murder of innocent people so that one can maintain their standard of living in a country overrun by evil minds.

The reason people are waking up now is becasue the "apparatus" of controlled government is turning on the american people, and usurping the constitution. It was all well and good when it was directed at the middle east, but hey, fuck them.

But now, since 9/11 (a controversial topic; lets just say 9/11 truth is here to stay) the system has turned on its own people. Now, I have a problem. Many others have a problem.

The reason is the corporate anti american zionist elitist mentality that seeks to destroy america. It is ingrained in the american political process; and the politicians do not represent the people, but international corporate banking interests. Laws are created that protect the wealthy from the poor; rendering the law obsolete and fundamentally corrupt.

Society is doomed.

If you dont know what our own U.S. Constitution says .. how can you say such a stupid thing?????

id do the same, id become a traitor for a couple reasons, 1 they tell you it is tax free when you contract overseas but, when you are done and you return they tax you, I know a few people this happen to, second the wealth they made overseas they can live rich anywhere but here is good ole tax you to death America. Peace wish I was younger id do it.

take me too i can be your concubine

Please please please, where is the law that says we have to pay taxes. Anytime a politician is asked. they don`t have an answer. Its a yes or no question. Is there a law that says we have to pay taxes? If so, where can i find it? The irs does not have it on there website.Where is the law?Exactly where can i find it written. Its yes or no, if yes then where can i find it.

check these links..
What does voluntary mean?
What does compliance mean?
What does it mean to voluntary compliance mean?

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1. The mission of the IRS is to "... encourage and achieve the highest possible degree of voluntary compliance ..." - Internal Revenue Manual, Chapter 1100, Section 1111.1.

2. "Internal taxation would not be resorted to except infrequently, and for special reasons." - Internal Revenue Manual, Chapter 1100, Section 1111.31

3. "Each year American taxpayers voluntarily file their tax returns ..." - IRS Commissioner Johnnie M. Walters, 1040 Booklet of 1971

4. "Our tax system is based on individual self-assessment and voluntary compliance." - IRS Commissioner Motimer Caplin, Internal Revenue Audit Manual of 1975

5. "The IRS' primary task is to collect taxes under a voluntary compliance system." - IRS Commissioner Jerome Kurtz, Internal Revenue Annual Report of 1980

6. "We have a voluntary compliance system." - IRS Commissioner Fred T. Goldberg, interview Ted Kopples 'Nightline' show of April 13, 1990 ... Dig in the 'Nightline' archives Jesse - TRU TV staff.

7. "... government in a free country can only be financed through voluntary compliance ..." - IRS Commissioner Fred T. Goldberg, 1040 Booklet of 1990

8. "You are among the millions of Americans who comply with the tax law voluntarily." - IRS Commissioner Shirley D. Peterson, 1040 Booklet of 1992

9. "Our system of taxation is based upon voluntary assessment and payment not upon distraint." - Supreme Court, Flora v. US, 362 US 145

10. "... income tax is 100% voluntary tax ... liquor tax is 100% enforced tax." - Dwight E. Avis, Head of Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division, before the House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Administration of the Internal Revenue Laws, of the Committee on Ways and Means, February 3, 1953

11. "The tax system is based on voluntary compliance ..." - Title 26 CFR, Subpart F - Rules, Regulations and Forms, Section 601.602(a), Tax Forms and Instructions

12. "Social Security is a voluntary system in that no one is required to get a number ... a person with no Social Security number would have no taxable income." - Penny Payton, Social Security Administration Claims Representative, letter dated January 10, 1986

13. "The Social Security Act does not require a person to have an SSN to live and work in the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one." - Vincent Sanudo, Social Security Administration, Director Office of Public Inquires, letter dated May 12, 1995

14. "Neither the Social Security Act nor the regulations mandate that an individual must have an SSN ..." - Vincent Sanudo, Social Security Administration, Director Officer of Public Inquires, letter dated August 10, 1995 to YOURS TRULY !!!

The R.O.L. is lost in this country. The law is now what those in power say it is and exists only for their benefit.

How is it that anyone except govt "workers" and those who depend on govt have any "representation" anyway?

And the police, the police don't shield anyone except themselves.

Actually no, there are at least two recent cases of Americans, one in India and one in, IIRC, the Czech Republic who renounced their u.s. citizenship without acquiring any other. There is international recognition of a stateless person according to the U.N.

Most people who wake up and realize that they pay in total about fifty percent in taxes do have a problem. Even serfs only paid 1/3.

Other than than minor objection nice post.

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