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Abortion Survivor Meets Nurse Who Saved Her Life

 
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when i was 19 my gf got pregnant.
it was 6 months after the doctor told her she would never be able to have children.
we stopped using contraception.
she go pregnant.
doctor told us it was a mistake and he said that there was a chance she was infertile. yet the letters he printed us said she was.
we were young and living together. working every day. .
we smoked cigarettes. we drank.
we weren't ready to raise a child we had already disadvantaged by smoking eating and living unhealthy
we got an abortion. the damn religious doctor tried to convince us of adoption asif it was more moral which made my gf distraught. what doctor pushes religious opinion.

now ten 5 years later we are still together. don't smoke don't drink buying a house so we can have children the right moral logical way.

it was never a challenge to copulate. the challenge is in erasing Ur combined DNA being into a better human then ever before. now is the best time. the most informers the most reasonable.

i don't regret for one second having an abortion because i wasn't ready. she wasn't ready. we went healthy.

a disadvantage from the get. or no get at all.

best decision we ever made.
 Quoting: the complexity ot morality 2913820

Best decision you ever made? May it soon become a distant second.
 Quoting: SoulWinner


Who the hell are you to judge?

It's none of your frigging business.
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when i was 19 my gf got pregnant.
it was 6 months after the doctor told her she would never be able to have children.
we stopped using contraception.
she go pregnant.
doctor told us it was a mistake and he said that there was a chance she was infertile. yet the letters he printed us said she was.
we were young and living together. working every day. .
we smoked cigarettes. we drank.
we weren't ready to raise a child we had already disadvantaged by smoking eating and living unhealthy
we got an abortion. the damn religious doctor tried to convince us of adoption asif it was more moral which made my gf distraught. what doctor pushes religious opinion.

now ten 5 years later we are still together. don't smoke don't drink buying a house so we can have children the right moral logical way.

it was never a challenge to copulate. the challenge is in erasing Ur combined DNA being into a better human then ever before. now is the best time. the most informers the most reasonable.

i don't regret for one second having an abortion because i wasn't ready. she wasn't ready. we went healthy.

a disadvantage from the get. or no get at all.

best decision we ever made.
 Quoting: the complexity ot morality 2913820

Best decision you ever made? May it soon become a distant second.
 Quoting: SoulWinner


Who the hell are you to judge?

It's none of your frigging business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15141504


thank you
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ofcoarse if the situation never had occured it would have been best but given the postion.

it was the best thing we could have done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


Really? Why? the child would be what ...5 years old now...

and in your new lives ...you could not fathom this child a part of your life? How difficult would it have been ?

Maybe it would have helped you to grow up, get off alcohol and drugs and become responsible adults

So, you feel ok making the choice to keep using drugs instead of have the child and get off drugs.

Is this what it boils down to ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15121130


so the fact that we are biologically creating this being.
during which we smoke. drink and eat terrible during its conception and creation.
i dont want a child that has inate disadvantages,

if i did so i have done a negative move for humantiy.

people think its inpressive to reproduce,
the truth is no parents are going about it right. we got healthy , we got financially secured. we got educated.

now i feel i am a man ,fit to reproduce and in a postion to give every effort that is required for my child to be the best i could ever do.

if i "toughed it" with ill health , no money. no house, no plan. i dont see how that is morally any better.

faith is no argument here.
the mechanics of life are just that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820



You won't win an argument with these holier-than-thou, closed minded know-it-alls . . . they condemn abortions, but think it's just fine and dandy to bring children into the world under ANY kind of circumstances.

It is a low form of hypocrisy.
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when i was 19 my gf got pregnant.
it was 6 months after the doctor told her she would never be able to have children.
we stopped using contraception.
she go pregnant.
doctor told us it was a mistake and he said that there was a chance she was infertile. yet the letters he printed us said she was.
we were young and living together. working every day. .
we smoked cigarettes. we drank.
we weren't ready to raise a child we had already disadvantaged by smoking eating and living unhealthy
we got an abortion. the damn religious doctor tried to convince us of adoption asif it was more moral which made my gf distraught. what doctor pushes religious opinion.

now ten 5 years later we are still together. don't smoke don't drink buying a house so we can have children the right moral logical way.

it was never a challenge to copulate. the challenge is in erasing Ur combined DNA being into a better human then ever before. now is the best time. the most informers the most reasonable.

i don't regret for one second having an abortion because i wasn't ready. she wasn't ready. we went healthy.

a disadvantage from the get. or no get at all.

best decision we ever made.
 Quoting: the complexity ot morality 2913820

Best decision you ever made? May it soon become a distant second.
 Quoting: SoulWinner


Who the hell are you to judge?

It's none of your frigging business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15141504


thank you
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


hf

Sounds as though the two of you made a sound, rational, and well-reasoned decision, thinking about your future and what kind of life you want to give to a child.
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we did our best.
thank you for your support.

we never intended it. but we let ourselves down by being unhealthy ad letting society normalize it. nuture brought us here.
and the system we were nutured into put us ino a position that should never have come about.

we always used contreception.
never undermine a second opinion even when ur at the most reputable source of truth you know .
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Abortion by choice is murder, don't you realize that?
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5 stars OP!!cheers
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every seed that i dont water is chopping down a tree......

you realise that right?
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...


So you are saying if a man got his wife pregnant he has no
say in the matter of the life of his unborn child?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13100401



Ultimately, no he does not.

Whether or not a couple BOTH want to have a child is something they BOTH should talk about BEFORE becoming sexually involved - and certainly BEFORE they get married.

People need to THINK BEFORE they ACT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


That's interesting logic because I know of plenty of "husbands" who'd much rather wish their wives had aborted their own seed...and BEFORE they got "married" he claimed he wanted them but after he got what he wanted and stuff started getting real, he backtracked...so what say you know...

Men are just as double minded as women...
 Quoting: Paper Bag



Well, your post was a bit hard to decipher, but I think you are referring to men who "say" they are ok with having kids, or will say anything the female wants to hear, and then when the responsibility is there, they don't stick around.

There is no doubt that such things happen.

Which is just another of the countless dysfunctional layers to human relationships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


yes...that's what I meant :)
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You people who think you have ANY say-so about abortion/non-abortion are fools.

It is a female's body, her right, her choice.

Not yours, not mine, not a husband's, not a boyfriend's, not a preacher's, not a relative's, not a stranger's.

Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Correct on all counts except one. You forgot about the fact the child had no say in the matter. If we define the moment of death as being the instant a heart beat stops, why can't we acknowledge the moment of life being the instant a heart beat starts?

No other female species on this planet kill their own offspring without a very valid reason. Women kill their children for matters of economic greed, self before others,and the lame excuse of "I am not ready to be a mother" Sorry sister, nature said you were ready!

This country is under a very high order curse that will not go away until the blood of the innocent has been vindicated. In all probability, the one child who was to arrive in this world to lead us to our next evolutionary level, was killed by an abortion procedure. Maybe you should view a video of a partial birth abortion and see what it's all about. A good one to see is the one where the child is pulled through the birth canal. In this scene, as the murder instrument is being inserted into the child's head, the child instinctively tries to crawl back up into the birth canal to escape the danger.

Not saying It's right, if a woman is raped, I can understand her not wanting that child, and any choice she makes is indeed her choice. Any other situation would be an act of murder. How the hell can anyone not understand that?

Few of us arrived here by the plans of our parents, it just kinda happened. For those of us that are here, we are lucky our mother followed her carnal instincts and allowed us the right to live. That right to live was a gift to us given from a force far greater than any philosophical ideal or law of mankind. Those that are spiritually dead will not resonate with this thought. Sorry, "it's a life thang, you would not understand".

Pro life or pro death? Yes, it is a choice!
 Quoting: Happy 9079482


what a fvcked up world if that's how it goes down....
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Abortion Survivor Meets Nurse Who Saved Her Life

The abortion survivor steps into the room and comes face to face with a nurse volunteer that held and rocked her nearly thirty-five years ago when she was in a neonatal intensive care unit (NICU). Tears flow quickly and they embrace. Sounds like a scene straight out of a Hollywood movie, doesn’t it?

[link to www.lifenews.com]
 Quoting: julie ertelt 4490782


Abortion Survivor? NOPE. A FAILED Abortion Survivor. One cannot survive a correctly preformed abortion. do some of you only use 1% of your brian power?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15103810


A teenager was killed in a motorcycle crash, while on his way to the grocery store.

Now, according to your logic, the above headline should have read "A teenager was killed during a FAILED trip to the grocery store."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1306067

bump

when people think they're being smart by getting creative with words they're actually making themselves look stupid and hurting their cause because they are not ACTUALLY ARGUING THEIR POINT. just attacking yours. If you really believe it because you have thought about the topic and came to a conclusion you would be able to calmly articulate your point.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11230951


Don't waste your time. They have to attack the thread title or grammar or something other than the issue at heart, but their beliefs about abortion are defenseless.
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You people who think you have ANY say-so about abortion/non-abortion are fools.

It is a female's body, her right, her choice.

Not yours, not mine, not a husband's, not a boyfriend's, not a preacher's, not a relative's, not a stranger's.

Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Unless that female is an unborn baby, then she has no right and no choice. Because the three inches between the uterus and the pubic hair impede makes all the difference in the world, right?
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You people who think you have ANY say-so about abortion/non-abortion are fools.

It is a female's body, her right, her choice.

Not yours, not mine, not a husband's, not a boyfriend's, not a preacher's, not a relative's, not a stranger's.

Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Correct on all counts except one. You forgot about the fact the child had no say in the matter. If we define the moment of death as being the instant a heart beat stops, why can't we acknowledge the moment of life being the instant a heart beat starts?

No other female species on this planet kill their own offspring without a very valid reason. Women kill their children for matters of economic greed, self before others,and the lame excuse of "I am not ready to be a mother" Sorry sister, nature said you were ready!

This country is under a very high order curse that will not go away until the blood of the innocent has been vindicated. In all probability, the one child who was to arrive in this world to lead us to our next evolutionary level, was killed by an abortion procedure. Maybe you should view a video of a partial birth abortion and see what it's all about. A good one to see is the one where the child is pulled through the birth canal. In this scene, as the murder instrument is being inserted into the child's head, the child instinctively tries to crawl back up into the birth canal to escape the danger.

Not saying It's right, if a woman is raped, I can understand her not wanting that child, and any choice she makes is indeed her choice. Any other situation would be an act of murder. How the hell can anyone not understand that?

Few of us arrived here by the plans of our parents, it just kinda happened. For those of us that are here, we are lucky our mother followed her carnal instincts and allowed us the right to live. That right to live was a gift to us given from a force far greater than any philosophical ideal or law of mankind. Those that are spiritually dead will not resonate with this thought. Sorry, "it's a life thang, you would not understand".

Pro life or pro death? Yes, it is a choice!
 Quoting: Happy 9079482


what a fvcked up world if that's how it goes down....
 Quoting: Paper Bag


yep
thats how it goes down.
evolution and the mechanics of life are no nice discussion.

the nature of existing gives me a sinking feeling to
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You people who think you have ANY say-so about abortion/non-abortion are fools.

It is a female's body, her right, her choice.

Not yours, not mine, not a husband's, not a boyfriend's, not a preacher's, not a relative's, not a stranger's.

Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Yes, you are right, doesn't stop the fact that she becomes a murder of an innocent. People who use abortion for birth control are nothing but murders, and they will answer for that murdered innocent, when they meant the Father of us all, even if they don't
believe in him.

I pray they repent of this repulsive act or action, if they have already done it. God will forgive them, even if they find it hard to
forgive themselves.
 Quoting: Daughter


NO ONE should use abortion for birth control.

But you label with such vile hatred, those who are pro-choice.

Does YOUR god approve of that kind of pointless and misguided hate?

Religionists believe they have it all figured out, when in reality, they merely cower in fear from logic, rational thought, and the concept of being fair, kind, and thoughtful human beings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Oh, please do explain the logic for ripping a human life from his/her safe place! And then explain how that is being fair, kind and thoughtful.
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You people who think you have ANY say-so about abortion/non-abortion are fools.

It is a female's body, her right, her choice.

Not yours, not mine, not a husband's, not a boyfriend's, not a preacher's, not a relative's, not a stranger's.

Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Unless that female is an unborn baby, then she has no right and no choice. Because the three inches between the uterus and the pubic hair impede makes all the difference in the world, right?
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and yet if i take an egg and inseminate it.
its not a person.
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religion has no place in morality.
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And atheism has no basis for morality. Sam Harris tried that one time and failed.
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how come we find it humane to do the same to animals with brains Central nervous systems , emotions. thoughts. manogomy and more.

is it right to murder a cow when its born....
common practice.

Morality is relative.
there is no logical absolute morality.
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religion has no place in morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


And atheism has no basis for morality. Sam Harris tried that one time and failed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109




athiesm has more basis for morallity then ominiptence.

its not inherently biased , its just reletive
. just becasue its not ""nice"" doesnt mean its immoral.

the universe was never nice.

Sam harris isnt the king of athiest.
stop grouping them asif they are a sect.
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what if we KNOW the child will be unheathly.
what if we KNOW the child will be disadvantaged

is the morning after pill abortion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


So you have no problem killing a potentially disable baby? Please tell a currently disable child or adult that they would have been better off killed in the womb because their life obviously suck.

Oh and who defines disability? Who has that job? Who draws that line? Who has the finger on the trigger?
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You people who think you have ANY say-so about abortion/non-abortion are fools.

It is a female's body, her right, her choice.

Not yours, not mine, not a husband's, not a boyfriend's, not a preacher's, not a relative's, not a stranger's.

Period.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15131093


Unless that female is an unborn baby, then she has no right and no choice. Because the three inches between the uterus and the pubic hair impede makes all the difference in the world, right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109


and yet if i take an egg and inseminate it.
its not a person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


Sorry, I don't follow. If the egg is fertilized and in the woman's body, it will continue to develop as a human being unless it is aborted (naturally or by human interaction).
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Morality is relative.
there is no logical absolute morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


If morality is relative, then your moral statement there is also relative. But it sounds like you are saying absolutely that "morality is relative", which fails the logic test. There has to be an absolute morality. If one man says eating another person is good and the another says it is bad, surely they can't both be right. One may be right, but they both can't be right. The color black can't both be black and white at the same time. Relativism was shown false along time ago.
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Abortion is racial genocide against minorities.
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Because the three inches between the uterus and the pubic hair impede makes all the difference in the world, right?

...

yes. its makes a world of diffrence.


...
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religion has no place in morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


And atheism has no basis for morality. Sam Harris tried that one time and failed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109




athiesm has more basis for morallity then ominiptence.

its not inherently biased , its just reletive
. just becasue its not ""nice"" doesnt mean its immoral.

the universe was never nice.

Sam harris isnt the king of athiest.
stop grouping them asif they are a sect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


I mentioned Harris because he was lauded as having the best argument for the basis for atheist morality. Okay, I'll bite... since you said atheism has a basis for morality, please explain this basis.
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Morality is relative.
there is no logical absolute morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


If morality is relative, then your moral statement there is also relative. But it sounds like you are saying absolutely that "morality is relative", which fails the logic test. There has to be an absolute morality. If one man says eating another person is good and the another says it is bad, surely they can't both be right. One may be right, but they both can't be right. The color black can't both be black and white at the same time. Relativism was shown false along time ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109


haha

where is this absolute morallity??
what is it

what a joke
clearly you havent thought this over.


how can morallity ever NOT be relative.


,,,,,,,,,GOD?
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Because the three inches between the uterus and the pubic hair impede makes all the difference in the world, right?

...

yes. its makes a world of diffrence.


...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


How so? Why is a 6-month baby in the womb have less of a right to live than a baby that same age outside of the womb. It is really a matter of inches. How is killing the baby inside the womb any more moral that killing him/her outside the womb? If anything, you are snatching the baby from its safe place in the womb, which could be viewed as even more sinister.
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religion has no place in morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


And atheism has no basis for morality. Sam Harris tried that one time and failed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109




athiesm has more basis for morallity then ominiptence.

its not inherently biased , its just reletive
. just becasue its not ""nice"" doesnt mean its immoral.

the universe was never nice.

Sam harris isnt the king of athiest.
stop grouping them asif they are a sect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


I mentioned Harris because he was lauded as having the best argument for the basis for atheist morality. Okay, I'll bite... since you said atheism has a basis for morality, please explain this basis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109



well ur right. athiesm does have no basis for morally other then relative morallty whcih overy being has anyway.

its still better then a negative which is what omnipotnce brings. a biased morallity. perhaps negative.
or no morallity atal. aka the truth



philosophers aargued the truth is good Most of the time
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Morality is relative.
there is no logical absolute morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


If morality is relative, then your moral statement there is also relative. But it sounds like you are saying absolutely that "morality is relative", which fails the logic test. There has to be an absolute morality. If one man says eating another person is good and the another says it is bad, surely they can't both be right. One may be right, but they both can't be right. The color black can't both be black and white at the same time. Relativism was shown false along time ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109


What about circumstances? What about in times of tested survival?

If I eat a man because I'm starving and stuck in the mountains, am I wrong? And if I am wrong and still alive should I be punished for eating another man even though my own life is at stake?

What about war? Even though I was not directly harmed by an "enemy" should I still be required to go and kill people I've. Ever met who have done nothing against me personally?

Circumstances and wnvironment DO infact come into play.

The real question is when is it appropriate to Bend the rules?

What kind of peramiters make it acceptable.

Right and wrong 200 years ago was ENTIRELY different than it is today.

I agree about abortion btw. It's gross.
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More right wing Christians obsessing over the gynecology and obstetrics of women they don't even know.

If you were more in touch with your own sexuality and weren't so sexually guilty/repressed, you wouldn't treat other women's GYN experiences as a spectator sport.

There should be a constitutional right to privacy, so religious perverts would have to mind their own business and stop obsessing over other people's reproduction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12917304


When innocent children are slaughtered, I make it my business, and so should every other human being on this planet. What the heck is wrong with society, that one class of people has been legislated to have no right to live? We are no better than the nazi's who slaughtered the jewish people, the settlers who slaughtered the Indians, the Soviets who slaughtered everyone who didn't agree or go along with them, etc.
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I think part of the justification is that the jewish people, the Indians, these unborn babies are somehow less or not quite human, so their deaths are OK.

Of topic, but with the advances we've made we can do DNA tests very early on. Unlike before we can determine who the father of the baby is. Should the laws change so that a father has to chime in as to whether or not an abortion can go through? Isn't the kid still half his?
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Morality is relative.
there is no logical absolute morality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


If morality is relative, then your moral statement there is also relative. But it sounds like you are saying absolutely that "morality is relative", which fails the logic test. There has to be an absolute morality. If one man says eating another person is good and the another says it is bad, surely they can't both be right. One may be right, but they both can't be right. The color black can't both be black and white at the same time. Relativism was shown false along time ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75109


haha

where is this absolute morallity??
what is it

what a joke
clearly you havent thought this over.


how can morallity ever NOT be relative.


,,,,,,,,,GOD?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2913820


I explained how and when. Raping a child can't both be morally right and morally wrong at the same time, yet that is what you would have to accept as a morally relativist. You keep saying that "morality is relative" and you say this as an absolute moral statement, disproving your thought within the very same sentence!