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Obama moves to conceal drone death figures

 
s. d. butler

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Newsflash for you, neo-cons:

- As cruel as it sounds, wars involve killing of enemies
- Obama administration didn’t start this war.

Again, your hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare. If you can't understand that in fact obama has racheted up the drone war then your hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Can you understand how allowing obama to be unaccountable for the drone strikes/ killing might be just more than a little problem?
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Again:

Stop shedding crocodile tears after victims of wars; Bush administration forged intel on the Iraqi WND what in turn caused wars that cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

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Again. Of course the bush administration was criminal. I don't recall defending or even mentioning the bush person.

Bringing in a strawman doesn't help your case.
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From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

it's pointless to discuss anything with you: use of remote guided devices is not carpet bombing but the exact opposite of it. The article itself refers to a "kill list" = a list of specific targets.

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The Obama administration has moved to block the release of information relating to its overseas drone assassination program, and will not even acknowledge that it exists, despite countless public references to the program and the proven existence of an official “kill list”.

In a motion filed just before midnight last night, the federal government asked for FOIA requests regarding drone killings by the ACLU and the New York Times to be dismissed.

The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security.

“Whether or not the CIA has the authority to be, or is in fact, directly involved in targeted lethal operations remains classified,” the court filing noted.

“Even to describe the number and details of most of these documents would reveal information that could damage the government’s counterterrorism efforts,” the filing continued.

More... [link to www.presstv.ir]

Move along... nothing to see here...

oridin
 Quoting: Nyte


Why the F are we even asking the shadow government for these numbers. They are going to force Obama to lie for them anyway citing National Security.

Just have some investigators go to those countries like a murder investigation. Everyone on this planet has a name, address, and relatives who are witnesses to their deaths. There is one organization that posted an entire list over every single Iraqi citizen who has been killed so far during the US wars there.

Names, addresses, occupations, age, incident report, date of murder, otopsy report. This is 2012. All this stuff is documented. Just because the US Gov't controlled Media has a truth embargo doesn't mean this information can't be gathered.

I would like to conduct a natione wide poll of all US Military families who lost family members in the US wars since 2002. I heard some estimates that it's well over 67,000. The Pentagon only counts combat deaths...IE men that are on their shif and in their boots while killed. No other deaths are counted. Bomb blasts, sniper fire, mortar fire, kidnapping/execution, fire, plane crash, vehicle crash, suicide, friendly fire, fratricide, sickness, and injuries that later prove to be fatal....ARE ALL NOT COUNTED.
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Newsflash for you, neo-cons:

- As cruel as it sounds, wars involve killing of enemies
- Obama administration didn’t start this war.

Again, your hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare. If you can't understand that in fact obama has racheted up the drone war then your hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Can you understand how allowing obama to be unaccountable for the drone strikes/ killing might be just more than a little problem?
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Again:

Stop shedding crocodile tears after victims of wars; Bush administration forged intel on the Iraqi WND what in turn caused wars that cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

Again. Of course the bush administration was criminal. I don't recall defending or even mentioning the bush person... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Fair enough. At the moment, I should be only concerned about the US external policy, hence Ron Paul would be my choice, alas...

On the other side, I cannot perceive Romney much different than Bush:

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From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

it's pointless to discuss anything with you: use of remote guided devices is not carpet bombing but the exact opposite of it. The article itself refers to a "kill list" = a list of specific targets.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


Re-read the first paragraph if the article. Nobody is asking for "kill list".

From the article: “The notion that the CIA’s targeted killing programme is still a secret is beyond absurd. Senior officials have discussed it, both on the record and off. They have taken credit for its putative successes, professed it to be legal, and dismissed concerns about civilian casualties,” said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director.

“If they can make these claims to the media, they can answer requests under
the Freedom of Information Act. The public is entitled to know more about the legal authority the administration is claiming and the way that the administration is using it.” Jaffer added.
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From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare. If you can't understand that in fact obama has racheted up the drone war then your hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

Can you understand how allowing obama to be unaccountable for the drone strikes/ killing might be just more than a little problem?
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Again:

Stop shedding crocodile tears after victims of wars; Bush administration forged intel on the Iraqi WND what in turn caused wars that cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

Again. Of course the bush administration was criminal. I don't recall defending or even mentioning the bush person... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Fair enough. At the moment, I should be only concerned about the US external policy, hence Ron Paul would be my choice, alas...

On the other side, I cannot perceive Romney much different than Bush:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


Romney is George Bush's cousin AND don't forget eho reall was behind the last 3 Presidents. The Bush Senior, CIA cartel were in control during Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and now Obama. The only people to blame for this mess is the Democrats AND Republicans. All of them. They are all controlled by the same shadow organization.

This isn't anything new. Eisenhower and JFK warned about it and Bush Senior was one of the guys under CIA Director Allen Dulles who was behind the JFK-Johnson coup de'etat. This was all organized many years ago but the Skull and Bones Luciferians put Bush Sr. in place after his Father and Grandfather were in control. They were and are Pagan Nazis....and are still in control.
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From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

it's pointless to discuss anything with you: use of remote guided devices is not carpet bombing but the exact opposite of it. The article itself refers to a "kill list" = a list of specific targets.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


Re-read the first paragraph if the article. Nobody is asking for "kill list"... /snip/
 Quoting: Nyte

Are you loosing it, or what? Let me quote you original post:

The Obama administration has moved to block the release of information relating to its overseas drone assassination program, and will not even acknowledge that it exists, despite countless public references to the program and the proven existence of an official “kill list”... /snip/
 Quoting: Nyte
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Again:

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

Again. Of course the bush administration was criminal. I don't recall defending or even mentioning the bush person... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

Fair enough. At the moment, I should be only concerned about the US external policy, hence Ron Paul would be my choice, alas...

On the other side, I cannot perceive Romney much different than Bush:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


Romney is George Bush's cousin AND don't forget eho reall was behind the last 3 Presidents. The Bush Senior, CIA cartel were in control during Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and now Obama. The only people to blame for this mess is the Democrats AND Republicans. All of them. They are all controlled by the same shadow organization.

This isn't anything new. Eisenhower and JFK warned about it and Bush Senior was one of the guys under CIA Director Allen Dulles who was behind the JFK-Johnson coup de'etat. This was all organized many years ago but the Skull and Bones Luciferians put Bush Sr. in place after his Father and Grandfather were in control. They were and are Pagan Nazis....and are still in control.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18387358

I know this even too much. Bush Senior was a director of the CIA during the Operation Cyclone, meant to fund, arm and train Islamic extremists. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

“Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto, concerned about the growing strength of the Islamist movement, told President George H. W. Bush, "You are creating a Frankenstein

Benazir has been assassinated - after many failed attempts - by the same Islamic extremists AKA Al Qaeda.

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You make me laugh.


Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?.


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What? No... those signs are related to piloted aircraft radioing ahead to positioned units. Not drones haha
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This is personal to me; I lost a friend during the Vigilant Resolve, Fallujah, ’04; he was duped into believe in Iraqi WMDs.

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You make me laugh.

Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?.
bsflag
 Quoting: HuffyCantankerous

What? No... those signs are related to piloted aircraft radioing ahead to positioned units. Not drones haha
 Quoting: Jake101

Again:

Neo-cons' hypocrisy or senility is simply astonishing:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Unmanned aerial vehicle

"...In the 90s the U.S. Department of Defense began to buy UAVs from Israel. The Navy bought the Pioneer UAV, which is still in use. Many of these Israeli and newly developed U.S. UAVs were used in the 1991 Gulf War..."

The same goes for the TSA (established in '01) and the ATF "gunwalking" operations (started in '06): [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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You make me laugh.

Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?.
bsflag
 Quoting: HuffyCantankerous

What? No... those signs are related to piloted aircraft radioing ahead to positioned units. Not drones haha
 Quoting: Jake101

Again:

Neo-cons' hypocrisy or senility is simply astonishing:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Unmanned aerial vehicle

"...In the 90s the U.S. Department of Defense began to buy UAVs from Israel. The Navy bought the Pioneer UAV, which is still in use. Many of these Israeli and newly developed U.S. UAVs were used in the 1991 Gulf War..."

The same goes for the TSA (established in '01) and the ATF "gunwalking" operations (started in '06): [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Yes. What is your point?
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You make me laugh.

Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?.
bsflag
 Quoting: HuffyCantankerous

What? No... those signs are related to piloted aircraft radioing ahead to positioned units. Not drones haha
 Quoting: Jake101

Again:

Neo-cons' hypocrisy or senility is simply astonishing:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Unmanned aerial vehicle

"...In the 90s the U.S. Department of Defense began to buy UAVs from Israel. The Navy bought the Pioneer UAV, which is still in use. Many of these Israeli and newly developed U.S. UAVs were used in the 1991 Gulf War..."

The same goes for the TSA (established in '01) and the ATF "gunwalking" operations (started in '06): [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


Yes. What is your point?
 Quoting: Jake101

Maybe that UAVs are in military use for more then 20 year? I award you no points.

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What? No... those signs are related to piloted aircraft radioing ahead to positioned units. Not drones haha
 Quoting: Jake101

Again:

Neo-cons' hypocrisy or senility is simply astonishing:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Unmanned aerial vehicle

"...In the 90s the U.S. Department of Defense began to buy UAVs from Israel. The Navy bought the Pioneer UAV, which is still in use. Many of these Israeli and newly developed U.S. UAVs were used in the 1991 Gulf War..."

The same goes for the TSA (established in '01) and the ATF "gunwalking" operations (started in '06): [link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


Yes. What is your point?
 Quoting: Jake101

Maybe that UAVs are in military use for more then 20 year? I award you no points.

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Can you explain what that has to do with what I said?
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that's transparency for ya!
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Again:

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Yes. What is your point?
 Quoting: Jake101

Maybe that UAVs are in military use for more then 20 year? I award you no points.

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Can you explain what that has to do with what I said?
 Quoting: Jake101

Okay, the poster you were replying to was indeed using a wrong argument; nevertheless, neo-cons pretend that military and LE use of UAVs (drones) is something new; far from that.

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Yes. What is your point?
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Maybe that UAVs are in military use for more then 20 year? I award you no points.

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Can you explain what that has to do with what I said?
 Quoting: Jake101

Okay, the poster you were replying to was indeed using a wrong argument; nevertheless, neo-cons pretend that military and LE use of UAVs (drones) is something new; far from that.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


I didn't comment on any of that. I simply was commenting on the silly idea that the highway patrol was using drones to issue speeding tickets. I have NO DOUBT it will happen. But it's not happening yet.
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Maybe that UAVs are in military use for more then 20 year? I award you no points.

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Can you explain what that has to do with what I said?
 Quoting: Jake101

Okay, the poster you were replying to was indeed using a wrong argument; nevertheless, neo-cons pretend that military and LE use of UAVs (drones) is something new; far from that.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263

I didn't comment on any of that. I simply was commenting on the silly idea that the highway patrol was using drones to issue speeding tickets. I have NO DOUBT it will happen. But it's not happening yet.
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Okay; I agree, sooner or later it will happen.
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"executive previlege"
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doncha mean executor's privilege?
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Executioner's privelage?
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"executive previlege"
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doncha mean executor's privilege?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728


Executioner's privelage?
doomsol
 Quoting: stormer

[link to www.miamiherald.com]
History of presidential use of executive privilege

President Barack Obama: 1

President George W. Bush: 6

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You make me laugh.


Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?.


bsflag
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a piper cub is not a drone fucktard
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Right!
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In the NWO, do the Muzzies have more power than the bones~men?
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Oh of course. You need a link to verify what people see with their own eyes. Here is a general image search.

[link to www.google.com]


If you were really in law enforcement then you would know this. All main highways such as 91 have signs that state speed traps by air surveillance.
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BY MANNED AIRCRAFT
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You make me laugh.


Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?.


bsflag
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a piper cub is not a drone fucktard
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Right!
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Or a cessna 180
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So if the information HELPS Obama get reelected....it gets released, even if it means that our agents get exposed (like a certain doctor in Pakistan)

But if the information hurts his campaign,then its "too sensitive" to be released.

The only way we'll ever get the truth about the drone program,Fast and Furious, and the Obama Care budget is if Obama doesn't get reelecte
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The Obama administration has moved to block the release of information relating to its overseas drone assassination program, and will not even acknowledge that it exists, despite countless public references to the program and the proven existence of an official “kill list”.

In a motion filed just before midnight last night, the federal government asked for FOIA requests regarding drone killings by the ACLU and the New York Times to be dismissed.

The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security.

“Whether or not the CIA has the authority to be, or is in fact, directly involved in targeted lethal operations remains classified,” the court filing noted.

“Even to describe the number and details of most of these documents would reveal information that could damage the government’s counterterrorism efforts,” the filing continued.

More... [link to www.presstv.ir]

Move along... nothing to see here...

oridin
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it is not how many.....but WHO....and the list itself...


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The rule of law has firmly been replaced by murder.

It's the Israeli who initiated that process with their countles assassinations they often brag about and always get away with...
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From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare... /snip/
 Quoting: s. d. butler

it's pointless to discuss anything with you: use of remote guided devices is not carpet bombing but the exact opposite of it. The article itself refers to a "kill list" = a list of specific targets.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263



It isn't carpet bombing of course. This doesn't excuse it. Drones strikes kill innocent people. Do you think the intended target is all alone when killed?

There are reports of the drone killers striking the funerals of the already killed "bad guy". Do you think this is targeted killing of only "bad guys"? Is it possible that there are innocent people at such events?

I think it is more than possible.

Some, perhaps many killings by drone are mistakes, some the US government has had to apologize for.

How do you apologize for or make right that kind of mistake?

How many have happened that aren't known about?


Everytime a drone kills innocent people how many more blood
enemies are made?

We need to get the psychopathic killers out of office.

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"executive previlege"
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doncha mean executor's privilege?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728


Executioner's privelage?
doomsol
 Quoting: stormer

[link to www.miamiherald.com]
History of presidential use of executive privilege

President Barack Obama: 1

President George W. Bush: 6

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


You make a great point. Most of the world's wars and murders can be blamed on two politcal regimes. Democrat terrorists and Republican terrorists. Each side blames it on the other but when are the sheep going to wake up and hold BOTH sides responsible?
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[link to www.miamiherald.com]
History of presidential use of executive privilege

President Barack Obama: 1

President George W. Bush: 6

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263


You make a great point. Most of the world's wars and murders can be blamed on two politcal regimes. Democrat terrorists and Republican terrorists. Each side blames it on the other but when are the sheep going to wake up and hold BOTH sides responsible?
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Exactly! What AC 18334263 didn't include in that list was:

President Bill Clinton: 14

President George H.W. Bush: 1

President Ronald Reagan: 3

So to your point: So what?

Bottom line in both the Holder Executive Privilege fiasco, and now this fiasco: It's a coverup for stupid and botched operations. Plain and simple.

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