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| Nyte Offer Upgrade  User ID: 9806883  United States06/22/2012 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Obama administration has moved to block the release of information relating to its overseas drone assassination program, and will not even acknowledge that it exists, despite countless public references to the program and the proven existence of an official “kill list”. In a motion filed just before midnight last night, the federal government asked for FOIA requests regarding drone killings by the ACLU and the New York Times to be dismissed. The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security. “Whether or not the CIA has the authority to be, or is in fact, directly involved in targeted lethal operations remains classified,” the court filing noted. “Even to describe the number and details of most of these documents would reveal information that could damage the government’s counterterrorism efforts,” the filing continued. More... [link to www.presstv.ir] Move along... nothing to see here...  Last Edited by PirateMonkey on 06/22/2012 03:15 AM 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
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| Face Palmer User ID: 18335173  Germany06/22/2012 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to ponderingprinciples.com] "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263  Slovenia06/22/2012 03:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop for a second and think, OP. You are relying on Iranian info source and believe in its impartiality on this issue? The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security... Quoting: Nyte Regardless to above; don't you think that "public disclosure of such material" would potentially harm national security? * |
| Nyte (OP) User ID: 9806883 United States06/22/2012 03:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop for a second and think, OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 You are relying on Iranian info source and believe in its impartiality on this issue? The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security... Quoting: Nyte Regardless to above; don't you think that "public disclosure of such material" would potentially harm national security? * My original source was the Guardian, but GLP doesn't like that source. So I googled and grabbed the next source of the 198 related articles. GLP accepted it, so I went with it. As far as releasing the info? This kind of info is released all the time. The only "harm" IMO would be harm to Obama's PR. I don't think there's anything wrong with accountability. Especially when it comes to undeclared, unconstitutional wars. A little more sunshine would do us all some good ;) Last Edited by PirateMonkey on 06/22/2012 03:55 AM 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
| HuffyCantankerous User ID: 8379586 United States06/22/2012 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| HuffyCantankerous User ID: 8379586 United States06/22/2012 03:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Nyte (OP) User ID: 9806883 United States06/22/2012 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You make me laugh. Quoting: HuffyCantankerous Ever see those signs on the highway that says "Speed is detected by aircraft, do not speed". I seen these signs over 15 years ago... So..... Drones have been around us all this time and people only care about it now?. I was in law enforcement for several years and never heard of speed being measured with drones. Do you have a link to more info? 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
| HuffyCantankerous User ID: 8379586 United States06/22/2012 04:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh of course. You need a link to verify what people see with their own eyes. Here is a general image search. [link to www.google.com] If you were really in law enforcement then you would know this. All main highways such as 91 have signs that state speed traps by air surveillance. |
| HuffyCantankerous User ID: 8379586 United States06/22/2012 04:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to kwlarsen.blogspot.com] [link to www.speedtrap.org] 8 Seconds into the video. [link to www.youtube.com] Thats the exact sign I am talking about. Related to military drones? I don't know. But still. Back on topic.. No one will care about this untill the military drones attack US Citizens. Last Edited by HuffyCantankerous on 06/22/2012 04:13 AM |
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| Nyte (OP) User ID: 9806883 United States06/22/2012 04:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to kwlarsen.blogspot.com] Quoting: HuffyCantankerous [link to www.speedtrap.org] 8 Seconds into the video. [link to www.youtube.com] Thats the exact sign I am talking about. Related to military drones? I don't know. But still. Back on topic.. No one will care about this untill the military drones attack US Citizens. Huffy, this is all off topic, but I appreciate your reply. I'm aware of the signs. What I meant is that I've never heard of those zones being paroled by drones. The article you linked mentions aerial patrols by a fixed-wing aircraft like a Cessna and I am familiar with that method. 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 04:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop for a second and think, OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 You are relying on Iranian info source and believe in its impartiality on this issue? The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security... Quoting: Nyte Regardless to above; don't you think that "public disclosure of such material" would potentially harm national security? * My original source was the Guardian, but GLP doesn't like that source. So I googled and grabbed the next source of the 198 related articles. GLP accepted it, so I went with it. As far as releasing the info? This kind of info is released all the time. The only "harm" IMO would be harm to Obama's PR. I don't think there's anything wrong with accountability. Especially when it comes to undeclared, unconstitutional wars... /snip/ The request is related to overseas drone program; if you think disclosing such info wouldn't be harmful then you're not sane. US Military is using unmanned drones since '90s [link to en.wikipedia.org] Are you blaming Obama for the like "undeclared, unconstitutional war" in Afghanistan? * |
| HuffyCantankerous User ID: 8379586 United States06/22/2012 04:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to kwlarsen.blogspot.com] Quoting: HuffyCantankerous [link to www.speedtrap.org] 8 Seconds into the video. [link to www.youtube.com] Thats the exact sign I am talking about. Related to military drones? I don't know. But still. Back on topic.. No one will care about this untill the military drones attack US Citizens. Huffy, this is all off topic, but I appreciate your reply. I'm aware of the signs. What I meant is that I've never heard of those zones being paroled by drones. The article you linked mentions aerial patrols by a fixed-wing aircraft like a Cessna and I am familiar with that method. No one will care about this untill the military drones attack US Citizens. I tried to put it back on topic... |
| Nyte (OP) User ID: 9806883 United States06/22/2012 04:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The request is related to overseas drone program; if you think disclosing such info wouldn't be harmful then you're not sane. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 US Military is using unmanned drones since '90s [link to en.wikipedia.org] Are you blaming Obama for the like "undeclared, unconstitutional war" in Afghanistan? * Thanks for the reply. Please explain how disclosing the requested info would be harmful to the US' National Security. As far as who's to blame, every president since 1950 shares the blame for getting the US involved in undeclared, unconstitutional wars. Congress shares the blame for not defunding those wars. The US citizens share the blame for not holding their representatives accountable. 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neo-cons' hypocrisy or senility is simply astonishing: [link to en.wikipedia.org] Unmanned aerial vehicle "...In the 90s the U.S. Department of Defense began to buy UAVs from Israel. The Navy bought the Pioneer UAV, which is still in use. Many of these Israeli and newly developed U.S. UAVs were used in the 1991 Gulf War..." The same goes for the TSA (established in '91) and the ATF "gunwalking" operations (started in '06): [link to en.wikipedia.org] You are simply amazing, neo-cons. * |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 04:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The request is related to overseas drone program; if you think disclosing such info wouldn't be harmful then you're not sane. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 US Military is using unmanned drones since '90s [link to en.wikipedia.org] Are you blaming Obama for the like "undeclared, unconstitutional war" in Afghanistan? * 1) Thanks for the reply. Please explain how disclosing the requested info would be harmful to the US' National Security. 2) As far as who's to blame, every president since 1950 shares the blame for getting the US involved in undeclared, unconstitutional wars. Congress shares the blame for not defunding those wars. The US citizens share the blame for not holding their representatives accountable. 1) If you can't understand how a public disclosure of military plans could be harmful, then I can't help you. 2) I'm a way you're right, but it's much easier to start a war than to finish it. I'm harshly against all recent wars, FYI. * |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 04:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neo-cons' hypocrisy or senility is simply astonishing: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 [link to en.wikipedia.org] Unmanned aerial vehicle "...In the 90s the U.S. Department of Defense began to buy UAVs from Israel. The Navy bought the Pioneer UAV, which is still in use. Many of these Israeli and newly developed U.S. UAVs were used in the 1991 Gulf War..." The same goes for the TSA (established in '01*) and the ATF "gunwalking" operations (started in '06): [link to en.wikipedia.org] You are simply amazing, neo-cons. * edited Sorry for the typo: the TSA has been established in '01: [link to en.wikipedia.org] . |
| s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States06/22/2012 04:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop for a second and think, OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 You are relying on Iranian info source and believe in its impartiality on this issue? The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security... Quoting: Nyte Regardless to above; don't you think that "public disclosure of such material" would potentially harm national security? * NO, it would "potentially harm" the obama person. Killing by drone should be public knowledge. Just how many innocent people have been killed?? |
| s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States06/22/2012 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The request is related to overseas drone program; if you think disclosing such info wouldn't be harmful then you're not sane. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 US Military is using unmanned drones since '90s [link to en.wikipedia.org] Are you blaming Obama for the like "undeclared, unconstitutional war" in Afghanistan? * 1) Thanks for the reply. Please explain how disclosing the requested info would be harmful to the US' National Security. 2) As far as who's to blame, every president since 1950 shares the blame for getting the US involved in undeclared, unconstitutional wars. Congress shares the blame for not defunding those wars. The US citizens share the blame for not holding their representatives accountable. 1) If you can't understand how a public disclosure of military plans could be harmful, then I can't help you. 2) I'm a way you're right, but it's much easier to start a war than to finish it. I'm harshly against all recent wars, FYI. * There is no "public disclosure" problem. Unless you are a killer by remote means. I can't help you if you don't have a moral compass. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop for a second and think, OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 You are relying on Iranian info source and believe in its impartiality on this issue? The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security... Quoting: Nyte Regardless to above; don't you think that "public disclosure of such material" would potentially harm national security? * NO, it would "potentially harm" the obama person. Killing by drone should be public knowledge. Just how many innocent people have been killed?? Again: 1) If you can't understand how a public disclosure of military plans could be harmful, then I can't help you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 * |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 04:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States06/22/2012 04:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Stop for a second and think, OP. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 You are relying on Iranian info source and believe in its impartiality on this issue? The administration’s court filing suggested that the public disclosure of such material could potentially harm national security... Quoting: Nyte Regardless to above; don't you think that "public disclosure of such material" would potentially harm national security? * NO, it would "potentially harm" the obama person. Killing by drone should be public knowledge. Just how many innocent people have been killed?? Again: 1) If you can't understand how a public disclosure of military plans could be harmful, then I can't help you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 * Again, if you can't understand how harmful NOT disclosing the drone war is, then I can't help you. Newsflash, this isn't a "war". Last Edited by s. d. butler on 06/22/2012 04:54 AM |
| Nyte (OP) User ID: 9806883 United States06/22/2012 04:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1) If you can't understand how a public disclosure of military plans could be harmful, then I can't help you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 The request for release isn't asking for specifics of military tactics, or movements, or confidential dilpomatic communications, or anything else that could be justified as in the interest of "National Security". It's asking for death counts and names of people assassinated. The responding motion Obama's lawyers filed sounds like they just don't want to admit a) that the drone program exists (even though it's in the news all the time), b) that CIA is involved in using drones for assassination. It sounds like they just don't want to be accountable. Last Edited by PirateMonkey on 06/22/2012 04:55 AM 7/11 was a part time job! Psalm 35:19 Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause. |
| s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States06/22/2012 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Newsflash for you, neo-cons: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 - As cruel as it sounds, wars involve killing of enemies - Obama administration didn’t start this war. Again, your hypocrisy is mind-blowing. * From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare. If you can't understand that in fact obama has racheted up the drone war then your hypocrisy is mind-blowing. Can you understand how allowing obama to be unaccountable for the drone strikes/ killing might be just more than a little problem? Last Edited by s. d. butler on 06/22/2012 05:01 AM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1) If you can't understand how a public disclosure of military plans could be harmful, then I can't help you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 The request for release isn't asking for specifics of military tactics, or movements, or confidential dilpomatic communications, or anything else that could be justified as in the interest of "National Security". It's asking for death counts and names of people assassinated. ... /snip/ You lost me here. You're making shit up; the article is specifically addressing "an official kill list” = a list of military targets. What's wrong with you, guys? Disclosing military targets is not harmful for military effort??? Stop shedding crocodile tears after victims of wars; Bush administration forged intel on the Iraqi WND what in turn caused wars that cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. * |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 18334263 Slovenia06/22/2012 05:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Newsflash for you, neo-cons: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18334263 - As cruel as it sounds, wars involve killing of enemies - Obama administration didn’t start this war. Again, your hypocrisy is mind-blowing. * From all accounts obama is personally involved in the indiscriminate killing that is drone warfare. If you can't understand that in fact obama has racheted up the drone war then your hypocrisy is mind-blowing. Can you understand how allowing obama to be unaccountable for the drone strikes/ killing might be just more than a little problem? Again: |
