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First Tesla Model S EV Rolls Out Of Factory

 
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People who buy these type of cars aren't going to travel across the United States with them. They are purchased as a commuter car and an errand car. The technology might not be up to standards at the moment, but things need to start somewhere. It seems that opponents of EV's always focus on the negative aspects of the technology. Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be. People can afford it. And please don't go into how much the gov't is subsidizing this technology. We can say the same thing about oil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18383900


You don't understand, the Tesla name has been hijacked and not for the benefit of people. Tesla's electric car was powered wirelessly.

[link to waterpoweredcar.com]

I'm not an opponent of EVs. The implementation of this particular technology goes completely against Tesla's original vision.

The govt. subsidise this because they are then able to control the situation and prevent the real technology to come to light by offering a false solution that can still be controlled by them.
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Who cares where the chargers will be. The Tesla and the technology that the Tesla is built on are a joke. It has been tried before by several manufacturers to no avail. No one is going to buy a car knowing that they might have to be stuck on the side of the road for 30 minutes while the battery "half-charges." Not only that but performance with a "half-charge" is for shit. You only get peak performance from a nearly full charged battery. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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People who buy these type of cars aren't going to travel across the United States with them. They are purchased as a commuter car and an errand car. The technology might not be up to standards at the moment, but things need to start somewhere. It seems that opponents of EV's always focus on the negative aspects of the technology. Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be. People can afford it. And please don't go into how much the gov't is subsidizing this technology. We can say the same thing about oil.
 Quoting: RedwoodPerch


This poster says:
"Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be."

Did you hear that people? We have come from "give me liberty or give me death" to "Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be."

All I have to say is that it is people like this guy that turned this country into a true shithole.

$60,000 to $100,000 for a grocery-getter or commuter car? Sounds kinda pricey to me. I never fully understood where Tesla's target market was. It's not the high-end sports performance market because they only care about piston-engine cars and it's not the low-end commuter market because it's too expensive. So where is the target market for this overpriced piece of shit? In the sky with all the other ideas that never quite made it past the launch stage.
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People who buy these type of cars aren't going to travel across the United States with them. They are purchased as a commuter car and an errand car. The technology might not be up to standards at the moment, but things need to start somewhere. It seems that opponents of EV's always focus on the negative aspects of the technology. Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be. People can afford it. And please don't go into how much the gov't is subsidizing this technology. We can say the same thing about oil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18383900


You don't understand, the Tesla name has been hijacked and not for the benefit of people. Tesla's electric car was powered wirelessly.

[link to waterpoweredcar.com]

I'm not an opponent of EVs. The implementation of this particular technology goes completely against Tesla's original vision.

The govt. subsidise this because they are then able to control the situation and prevent the real technology to come to light by offering a false solution that can still be controlled by them.
 Quoting: RedwoodPerch


I couldn't have said it better myself. More gov't false solutions.
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I have an idea. I'm thinking about starting a car company. All I need to do is make sure that the product and technology are completely unreliable so that the product never makes it past the launch stage. Then I can get the government to fund my useless product with several hundreds of millions of tax-payer dollars. I'll use the money to line the pockets of my investors and friends. Then when all the money is used up, I'll file for bankruptcy, wash my hands of all this, and then start another company with gov't money. Wash, rinse, repeat.

For my first car company I was thinking about a car powered by animal waste - bullshit powered, if you will. The main supplier would be the federal gov't, oh wait, scratch that. So much bullshit comes out of DC that the product would actually be viable. I'll have to think of another product.
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Carry a small portable Honda generator in the trunk:)
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This poster says:
"Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be."

Did you hear that people? We have come from "give me liberty or give me death" to "Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be."

All I have to say is that it is people like this guy that turned this country into a true shithole.

$60,000 to $100,000 for a grocery-getter or commuter car? Sounds kinda pricey to me. I never fully understood where Tesla's target market was. It's not the high-end sports performance market because they only care about piston-engine cars and it's not the low-end commuter market because it's too expensive. So where is the target market for this overpriced piece of shit? In the sky with all the other ideas that never quite made it past the launch stage.
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It's people like Anonymous Coward 18383900 that makes the United States an undesirable place to invest and create. There are schmucks that will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on a car just to go clubbing. There are still some people that have disposable incomes in this country. This particular car is not extravagantly overpriced. If you're so gung-ho on creating better technology, THEN F'n DO IT !! Be a savior of the people !!

violin
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Isn't it funny that the government keeps funding alternative technologies that have absolutely no chance of succeeding? The electric car concept has been tried several times by every major manufacturer and failed. Tesla will be no different. The reason that the government funds electric car technology is so that it fails
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well do you have your electric car when you need one??
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For my first car company I was thinking about a car powered by animal waste - bullshit powered, if you will.
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Just make sure you attach a microphone to the throttle.
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You don't understand, the Tesla name has been hijacked and not for the benefit of people. Tesla's electric car was powered wirelessly.

[link to waterpoweredcar.com]

I'm not an opponent of EVs. The implementation of this particular technology goes completely against Tesla's original vision.

The govt. subsidise this because they are then able to control the situation and prevent the real technology to come to light by offering a false solution that can still be controlled by them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18034248



Let's be realistic here. I am sure that Tesla's idea can be accomplished, but take into consideration of what that means. I wouldn't prefer to live in an environment that beams electrical particles up to the stratosphere and all around the globe. I know that the same argument can be applied to C02 gases. Building an EV that needs to be plugged in vs an EV that gets charged up from the stratosphere are worlds apart. I would prefer to have solar panels on my roof and a convertor in my garage. And by having my own source of electricity allows me to not rely on a centralized entity to fulfill my energy needs. (Except for the sun, of course)
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All a bunch of Shill morans on this thread !

1. The technology has been around for a long time as the first automaobile ever built was electric.

2. In 1997 GM built an electric car and it got 200-300 miles per charge becuase it used a revalutionary battery technology that was purchased by Exxon when the car was so successful that the oil fucks had to have all the cars returned and crushed because it threatened the American Petro-dollar. Watch the whole movie "who killed the electric car" in english right here ! [link to vimeo.com]

and see how this documented worthy technology was crushed and sold to the highest bidder.

3. The technology exists to charge a capacitor in under 1 minute (and over 1 million times (cycles) without degredation of the capacitor) and then regulate it's discharge rate and get over 500 miles per charge in a car. Found here with 2 US patents [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
EEstore also had a deal with a car manufacture Zenn Motors [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] in Canada and a contract with Lockeed Martin. In January 2008, Lockheed-Martin signed an agreement with EEStor for the exclusive rights to integrate and market EESU units in military and homeland security applications.[29] In December 2008, a patent application was filed by Lockheed-Martin that mentions EEStor's patent as a possible electrical energy storage unit.[30]


You fucktards dont even look at this stuff before you spew your ignorance.

Why would the US patent office grant 2 (not one but two) patents if this technology did not work. Why would they have contracts with a defense company if it does not work ?

It would fuck up the dominance and control that the American/Petrodollar/Reserve Currency has on the entire worlds financial markets if electric cars and technolgy, and all green energy for theat matter were allowed to be successful.

Bunch of dumasses !
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All a bunch of Shill morans on this thread !

1. The technology has been around for a long time as the first automaobile ever built was electric.

2. In 1997 GM built an electric car and it got 200-300 miles per charge becuase it used a revalutionary battery technology that was purchased by Exxon when the car was so successful that the oil fucks had to have all the cars returned and crushed because it threatened the American Petro-dollar. Watch the whole movie "who killed the electric car" in english right here ! [link to vimeo.com]

and see how this documented worthy technology was crushed and sold to the highest bidder.

3. The technology exists to charge a capacitor in under 1 minute (and over 1 million times (cycles) without degredation of the capacitor) and then regulate it's discharge rate and get over 500 miles per charge in a car. Found here with 2 US patents [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
EEstore also had a deal with a car manufacture Zenn Motors [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] in Canada and a contract with Lockeed Martin. In January 2008, Lockheed-Martin signed an agreement with EEStor for the exclusive rights to integrate and market EESU units in military and homeland security applications.[29] In December 2008, a patent application was filed by Lockheed-Martin that mentions EEStor's patent as a possible electrical energy storage unit.[30]


You fucktards dont even look at this stuff before you spew your ignorance.

Why would the US patent office grant 2 (not one but two) patents if this technology did not work. Why would they have contracts with a defense company if it does not work ?

It would fuck up the dominance and control that the American/Petrodollar/Reserve Currency has on the entire worlds financial markets if electric cars and technolgy, and all green energy for theat matter were allowed to be successful.

Bunch of dumasses !
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Right ?
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All a bunch of Shill morans on this thread !

1. The technology has been around for a long time as the first automaobile ever built was electric.

2. In 1997 GM built an electric car and it got 200-300 miles per charge becuase it used a revalutionary battery technology that was purchased by Exxon when the car was so successful that the oil fucks had to have all the cars returned and crushed because it threatened the American Petro-dollar. Watch the whole movie "who killed the electric car" in english right here ! [link to vimeo.com]

and see how this documented worthy technology was crushed and sold to the highest bidder.

3. The technology exists to charge a capacitor in under 1 minute (and over 1 million times (cycles) without degredation of the capacitor) and then regulate it's discharge rate and get over 500 miles per charge in a car. Found here with 2 US patents [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
EEstore also had a deal with a car manufacture Zenn Motors [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] in Canada and a contract with Lockeed Martin. In January 2008, Lockheed-Martin signed an agreement with EEStor for the exclusive rights to integrate and market EESU units in military and homeland security applications.[29] In December 2008, a patent application was filed by Lockheed-Martin that mentions EEStor's patent as a possible electrical energy storage unit.[30]


You fucktards dont even look at this stuff before you spew your ignorance.

Why would the US patent office grant 2 (not one but two) patents if this technology did not work. Why would they have contracts with a defense company if it does not work ?

It would fuck up the dominance and control that the American/Petrodollar/Reserve Currency has on the entire worlds financial markets if electric cars and technolgy, and all green energy for theat matter were allowed to be successful.

Bunch of dumasses !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18096709


FYI: The US Patent Office will grant a patent to any invention that is unique, regardless of whether it works or not. There is a patent for a vacuum-powered spitoon that can be installed in your car. Do you think that warrants a patents? Well apparently it does.
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This poster says:
"Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be."

Did you hear that people? We have come from "give me liberty or give me death" to "Who cares? If it's a gimmick, then let it be."

All I have to say is that it is people like this guy that turned this country into a true shithole.

$60,000 to $100,000 for a grocery-getter or commuter car? Sounds kinda pricey to me. I never fully understood where Tesla's target market was. It's not the high-end sports performance market because they only care about piston-engine cars and it's not the low-end commuter market because it's too expensive. So where is the target market for this overpriced piece of shit? In the sky with all the other ideas that never quite made it past the launch stage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18383900


It's people like Anonymous Coward 18383900 that makes the United States an undesirable place to invest and create. There are schmucks that will pay thousands of dollars on a car just to go clubbing. There are still some people that have disposable incomes in this country. This particular car is not extravagantly overpriced. If you're so gung-ho on creating better technology, THEN F'n DO IT !! Be a savior of the people !!

violin
 Quoting: RedwoodPerch


"...not extravagantly overpriced."
Do you realize that you can buy an E-Class Mercedes or a 5-Series BMW for the same price as the base Tesla model? The other Tesla models are in the range of the top-of-the-line S-Class Mercedes and 7-Series BMW. So the Tesla is priced in the luxury car market. So yes it is extravagantly overpriced and destined to fail. No one who purchases a luxury car is going to spend 30 minutes on the side of the road waiting for the car to charge much less waiting for a tow. People that buy luxury cars expect never to have to end up on the ass-end of a tow truck.

How much is Tesla paying you to shill for their shitty products? The US gov't should not be funding technology that is outdated, useless, and failed in the past.

Mark my words, Tesla will go bankrupt if all it produces are electric vehicles.
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"...not extravagantly overpriced."
Do you realize that you can buy an E-Class Mercedes or a 5-Series BMW for the same price as the base Tesla model? The other Tesla models are in the range of the top-of-the-line S-Class Mercedes and 7-Series BMW. So the Tesla is priced in the luxury car market. So yes it is extravagantly overpriced and destined to fail. No one who purchases a luxury car is going to spend 30 minutes on the side of the road waiting for the car to charge much less waiting for a tow. People that buy luxury cars expect never to have to end up on the ass-end of a tow truck.

How much is Tesla paying you to shill for their shitty products? The US gov't should not be funding technology that is outdated, useless, and failed in the past.

Mark my words, Tesla will go bankrupt if all it produces are electric vehicles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18383900


$60k for a car is not extravagant. There are not to many American built luxury cars. This Tesla automobile is a positive step in the right direction. The "Big three" aren't stepping up to the plate, so it's nice to see Fisker and Tesla are filling the void. These gambles won't pay off when there is constant negativity flowing in the minds of American consumers. Sure, I see your point about the marketing aspect of it. In my opinion, this Tesla is not for the average buyer, nor is the Fisker. If we don't start thinking outside the box (manufacturing wise), this country will continue eating the dust from international manufacturers.

I also understand what you're saying concerning the current driving range. You must also understand that people have to adjust their lifestyles if they choose to change technologies. It would be nice if manufacturers were allowed to install the best batteries available. But we all know that our government likes sitting on advanced technologies. It could be due to monetary reasons and it also could be due to military purposes. The government is the government. With that point, we the people need to adjust and adapt to the limitations that are at hand. The Tesla sedan is such.

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How much is Tesla paying you to shill for their shitty products?
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There is no need to attack my personal character here. You know absolutely nothing about me. I am merely an automobile enthusiast that has a passion for the new and old. If you don't know how to have an intelligent conversation, then I suggest that you find a thread that has a limited intellectual requirement.
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All a bunch of Shill morans on this thread !

1. The technology has been around for a long time as the first automaobile ever built was electric.

2. In 1997 GM built an electric car and it got 200-300 miles per charge becuase it used a revalutionary battery technology that was purchased by Exxon when the car was so successful that the oil fucks had to have all the cars returned and crushed because it threatened the American Petro-dollar. Watch the whole movie "who killed the electric car" in english right here ! [link to vimeo.com]

and see how this documented worthy technology was crushed and sold to the highest bidder.

3. The technology exists to charge a capacitor in under 1 minute (and over 1 million times (cycles) without degredation of the capacitor) and then regulate it's discharge rate and get over 500 miles per charge in a car. Found here with 2 US patents [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
EEstore also had a deal with a car manufacture Zenn Motors [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] in Canada and a contract with Lockeed Martin. In January 2008, Lockheed-Martin signed an agreement with EEStor for the exclusive rights to integrate and market EESU units in military and homeland security applications.[29] In December 2008, a patent application was filed by Lockheed-Martin that mentions EEStor's patent as a possible electrical energy storage unit.[30]


You fucktards dont even look at this stuff before you spew your ignorance.

Why would the US patent office grant 2 (not one but two) patents if this technology did not work. Why would they have contracts with a defense company if it does not work ?

It would fuck up the dominance and control that the American/Petrodollar/Reserve Currency has on the entire worlds financial markets if electric cars and technolgy, and all green energy for theat matter were allowed to be successful.

Bunch of dumasses !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18096709


FYI: The US Patent Office will grant a patent to any invention that is unique, regardless of whether it works or not. There is a patent for a vacuum-powered spitoon that can be installed in your car. Do you think that warrants a patents? Well apparently it does.
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Another Fucktard !
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Hydrogen fuel-cell technology could be developed now and put both existing automakers and oil companies out of business. That is why fuel-cell technology is not funded and there are no high-profile companies trying to develop it.
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Hydrogen fuel cells require three times more energy than an EV equipped with a battery. With hydrogen, you will need to build at least 10's of thousands (initially) of fueling stations nationwide just to get the technology off the ground. There are batteries that can give an EV range of around 100-200 miles. A typical driver drives less than 30 miles a day and if they need to travel farther... there are always trains, buses, and airplanes. If they prefer to drive long distances, then rent a car or use the second car from the household that they live in.
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They exist due to govt money to run ajd subsidies for buyers
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Hydrogen fuel-cell technology could be developed now and put both existing automakers and oil companies out of business. That is why fuel-cell technology is not funded and there are no high-profile companies trying to develop it.
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CHECK YOUR FACTS: There was already funding allocated for HHO during the Bush administration. How long ago was that?

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Bottom line I like Tesla cars but I just drove by the Tesla plant today and guess what is right next door. In all of its modern architectural glory is the shell of a 100 billion dollar hole, Solyndra.
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Hydrogen fuel-cell technology could be developed now and put both existing automakers and oil companies out of business. That is why fuel-cell technology is not funded and there are no high-profile companies trying to develop it.
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Hydrogen fuel cells require three times more energy than an EV equipped with a battery. With hydrogen, you will need to build at least 10's of thousands (initially) of fueling stations nationwide just to get the technology off the ground. There are batteries that can give an EV range of around 100-200 miles. A typical driver drives less than 30 miles a day and if they need to travel farther... there are always trains, buses, and airplanes. If they prefer to drive long distances, then rent a car or use the second car from the household that they live in.
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Bullshit. The fuel-cell technology is much more viable than that electric car garbage. You are nothing more than a Tesla paid shill.
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Hydrogen fuel-cell technology could be developed now and put both existing automakers and oil companies out of business. That is why fuel-cell technology is not funded and there are no high-profile companies trying to develop it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18383900


Hydrogen fuel cells require three times more energy than an EV equipped with a battery. With hydrogen, you will need to build at least 10's of thousands (initially) of fueling stations nationwide just to get the technology off the ground. There are batteries that can give an EV range of around 100-200 miles. A typical driver drives less than 30 miles a day and if they need to travel farther... there are always trains, buses, and airplanes. If they prefer to drive long distances, then rent a car or use the second car from the household that they live in.
 Quoting: RedwoodPerch


Bullshit. The fuel-cell technology is much more viable than that electric car garbage. You are nothing more than a Tesla paid shill.
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You're an idiot !!
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Why wouldn't you incorporate solar panels into your electric car? That's just dumb not to...
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Why wouldn't you incorporate solar panels into your electric car? That's just dumb not to...
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The Fisker Karma does.

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The Mitsubishi iMiev Sport also has solar panels and wind turbines incorporated into the grill.

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Has a lot of Maserati style 5a
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Why wouldn't you incorporate solar panels into your electric car? That's just dumb not to...
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The Fisker Karma does.

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The Mitsubishi iMiev Sport also has solar panels and wind turbines incorporated into the grill.

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 Quoting: RedwoodPerch


That's the improvements I've been waiting for, and as long as people charge them from their home solar power then I will support electric cars...
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