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As to proof of His existence..for me His teachings are sufficient..cant make that stuff up..considering when it was written..and that quite probably the transcribers didnt know the depth and revolutionary aspect of the teachings..or understand them and in my opinion that they arent fully understood even now

But if you like you can look at ancient Roman arquelogy (sp) and writings etc..and its history too..because unlike other stories written in some religious texts..where there is absolutely NO historical proof of hand fed stories that back up certain claims..here in my humble opinion..there are quite a few
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As to proof of His existence..for me His teachings are sufficient..cant make that stuff up..considering when it was written..and that quite probably the transcribers didnt know the depth and revolutionary aspect of the teachings..or understand them and in my opinion that they arent fully understood even now

But if you like you can look at ancient Roman arquelogy (sp) and writings etc..and its history too..because unlike other stories written in some religious texts..where there is absolutely NO historical proof of hand fed stories that back up certain claims..here in my humble opinion..there are quite a few
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No proof? I dont buy...

some call it cherry picking..I call it common sense
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Ok, let me ask you this... were you alive 2000 years ago? If not then, How can you seriously believe it to be the "truth" as you people say. You say you have proof. The only proof is you're mind configured by your beliefs to tell you it's real. If god's message was so clear, then everyone would believe the same thing but no... you have MANY MANY different religions and you think your's is the truth? Any evidence to support that? and please no, bible quotes doesn't = evidence.
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Discernment..in everything we read..in all we are told..DISCERNMENT
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Ok, let me ask you this... were you alive 2000 years ago? If not then, How can you seriously believe it to be the "truth" as you people say. You say you have proof. The only proof is you're mind configured by your beliefs to tell you it's real. If god's message was so clear, then everyone would believe the same thing but no... you have MANY MANY different religions and you think your's is the truth? Any evidence to support that? and please no, bible quotes doesn't = evidence.
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I think I have given you my opinion previously
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Ok, let me ask you this... were you alive 2000 years ago? If not then, How can you seriously believe it to be the "truth" as you people say. You say you have proof. The only proof is you're mind configured by your beliefs to tell you it's real. If god's message was so clear, then everyone would believe the same thing but no... you have MANY MANY different religions and you think your's is the truth? Any evidence to support that? and please no, bible quotes doesn't = evidence.
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I think I have given you my opinion previously
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An opinion, ok i can accept that. Still it's just an opinion, don't refer to it as TRUTH then.
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Oh, btw i don't mean to come off to you guys as rude. I consider myself a Pantheist, you know of that concept? If you look more into it, you'll find it makes more sense than any religion man has created. Einstein was a pantheist.
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Im learning more and more about Christ every day..there is in my opinion much more to Christ than meets the eye..much more..its so profound..so multilayered..ist simply absolutely amazing ..in my opinion of course

to view His life from a perspective of teachings is mind boggling..and to understand fully is quite a fete..because He explains and covers so much on so many different levels..yet with very few words..explains all perfectly and simply..if you are meant to understand..if you arent you simply never will in my opinion

But then if you look at the reason why He came..why He lived as He lived..EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of His Life has a reason I believe..and a profound message

And then at Why He died as He died..why at that Time..whay that precise location..etc..

And then the Resurrection..in all its aspects..during..after..etc..

Its simply I believe a cosmos of knowledge from a spiritual point of view that is in my opinion absolutely breath taking

I dont believe it has been fully explained or comprehended or even understood to the full due to its amazing depth
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Oh, btw i don't mean to come off to you guys as rude. I consider myself a Pantheist, you know of that concept? If you look more into it, you'll find it makes more sense than any religion man has created. Einstein was a pantheist.
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I know the concept..from the greek etimology..

and it isnt to be thrown out with the bath water in my opinion..most have a root in an aspect of certain truth

but like I said..if you fill a bucket with ocean water..the water in the bucket isnt the ocean though it is part of it
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Im learning more and more about Christ every day..there is in my opinion much more to Christ than meets the eye..much more..its so profound..so multilayered..ist simply absolutely amazing ..in my opinion of course

to view His life from a perspective of teachings is mind boggling..and to understand fully is quite a fete..because He explains and covers so much on so many different levels..yet with very few words..explains all perfectly and simply..if you are meant to understand..if you arent you simply never will in my opinion

But then if you look at the reason why He came..why He lived as He lived..EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of His Life has a reason I believe..and a profound message

And then at Why He died as He died..why at that Time..whay that precise location..etc..

And then the Resurrection..in all its aspects..during..after..etc..

Its simply I believe a cosmos of knowledge from a spiritual point of view that is in my opinion absolutely breath taking

I dont believe it has been fully explained or comprehended or even understood to the full due to its amazing depth
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I believe his words were pretty deep and would help alot of people but the matter of the fact is, He is not God, Yet i see so many people choose to "idolize" him anyway. Anyways, like i said, if it makes you happy, then go with it. Just because it's the thing for you doesn't mean it's for everyone else. We are born with brains, look how far our society has come(don't just look at the negatives). If you refuse to explore the possibilies beyon 1 book, i'm sad for you, i figured we can go farther than a "set" mentality and not explore ideas that are outside the box.

Still, i speak with love.
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I think to understand Christ one has to view Him and all about Him from a multilayered point of view

One action..multiple reasons..and even more effects etc...

He achieved His Divine Purpose with absolute perfection..only He could pull this off so perfectly and in such a short time..

absolutely amazing spiritually..
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Read his all teaching,he is nothing about love.
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I know about him well, i was born and raised on his word. After i grew older i realized that he wasn't god, but a man with good teachings, i consider it more philosophy than religion. Then again, your truth is your truth and my truth is my truth, we will never succeed at converting one another. I just hope that we all learn a little more from thinking outside the box.
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Im learning more and more about Christ every day..there is in my opinion much more to Christ than meets the eye..much more..its so profound..so multilayered..ist simply absolutely amazing ..in my opinion of course

to view His life from a perspective of teachings is mind boggling..and to understand fully is quite a fete..because He explains and covers so much on so many different levels..yet with very few words..explains all perfectly and simply..if you are meant to understand..if you arent you simply never will in my opinion

But then if you look at the reason why He came..why He lived as He lived..EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of His Life has a reason I believe..and a profound message

And then at Why He died as He died..why at that Time..whay that precise location..etc..

And then the Resurrection..in all its aspects..during..after..etc..

Its simply I believe a cosmos of knowledge from a spiritual point of view that is in my opinion absolutely breath taking

I dont believe it has been fully explained or comprehended or even understood to the full due to its amazing depth
 Quoting: wildhoney


I believe his words were pretty deep and would help alot of people but the matter of the fact is, He is not God, Yet i see so many people choose to "idolize" him anyway. Anyways, like i said, if it makes you happy, then go with it. Just because it's the thing for you doesn't mean it's for everyone else. We are born with brains, look how far our society has come(don't just look at the negatives). If you refuse to explore the possibilies beyon 1 book, i'm sad for you, i figured we can go farther than a "set" mentality and not explore ideas that are outside the box.

Still, i speak with love.
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I too speak with love hf and thank you

as for society..I think its a joke..we try to look for security..stability..safety..immortality ..happiness..etc..where it cant be found..we try and try and try again...
I always look outside the box...Thats where I found Christ believe it or nothf
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I know about him well, i was born and raised on his word. After i grew older i realized that he wasn't god, but a man with good teachings, i consider it more philosophy than religion. Then again, your truth is your truth and my truth is my truth, we will never succeed at converting one another. I just hope that we all learn a little more from thinking outside the box.
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I believe All in Christ is God and all of Christ is in God
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and even among His most devout followers who can compare to Christ? How can we be as He? yet that is what we are supposed to achieve..
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It never says that you will be doing this on your own effort, not by work but by Grace of God. Like fire that tests the purity of Gold so does Life tests our purity.

I am not Christian but I have tremendous respect for Christ teachings, it's just sad to see so many who considers themselves devout followers of Christ identify themselves as Christians. What Christ came to do was to abolish religion and all the earthly principalities, he did not come to invent new religion., that's why he was so hated by the Pharisees and rest of learned elders of Zion. He came to free people from the bondage not put them under the yoke of another law.

The problem is religions like Christianity itself was invented by people who were interpreting Christ words with carnal minds, they had eyes but could not see, and ear but could not hear the truth that his teachings contained.
I am almost done with putting away my carnal body and with it all it's desires and passions!
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I know about him well, i was born and raised on his word. After i grew older i realized that he wasn't god, but a man with good teachings, i consider it more philosophy than religion. Then again, your truth is your truth and my truth is my truth, we will never succeed at converting one another. I just hope that we all learn a little more from thinking outside the box.
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I believe All in Christ is God and all of Christ is in God
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As long as you are happy, it's ok. I just hope i do not get classified as a Demon for thinking differently. Since i was born, i have loved life and loved all the people around me, family, friends, etc.. If you met me you'd prolly notice i'm one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. All i ask is to accept that there might be other truth's out there besides your own.
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and even among His most devout followers who can compare to Christ? How can we be as He? yet that is what we are supposed to achieve..
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It never says that you will be doing this on your own effort, not by work but by Grace of God. Like fire that tests the purity of Gold so does Life tests our purity.

I am not Christian but I have tremendous respect for Christ teachings, it's just sad to see so many who considers themselves devout followers of Christ identify themselves as Christians. What Christ came to do was to abolish religion and all the earthly principalities, he did not come to invent new religion., that's why he was so hated by the Pharisees and rest of learned elders of Zion. He came to free people from the bondage not put them under the yoke of another law.

The problem is religions like Christianity itself was invented by people who were interpreting Christ words with carnal minds, they had eyes but could not see, and ear but could not hear the truth that his teachings contained.
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I think He did come to change things radically..as to wether this message has been understood by all who claim they do remains to be seen..or rather is a metter of opinion
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I know about him well, i was born and raised on his word. After i grew older i realized that he wasn't god, but a man with good teachings, i consider it more philosophy than religion. Then again, your truth is your truth and my truth is my truth, we will never succeed at converting one another. I just hope that we all learn a little more from thinking outside the box.
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I believe All in Christ is God and all of Christ is in God
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As long as you are happy, it's ok. I just hope i do not get classified as a Demon for thinking differently. Since i was born, i have loved life and loved all the people around me, family, friends, etc.. If you met me you'd prolly notice i'm one of the nicest people you'd ever meet. All i ask is to accept that there might be other truth's out there besides your own.
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Of course..I think everyone is entitled to their opinion..and it would be wonderful if we could all respect eachother and eathothers opinions..it would be quite a different world I think
hf
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In what i believe, just because we are locked in our own individual bodies, we are all still connected. If one person does something wrong, or classified evil, that's just the way life is. The magic number is 2 because that is how everything is, male+female, positive + negative polarities, light dark. It is all one, without a negative there wouldn't be a positive. I like the quote from William Shakespeare....

"There is no such thing as good or bad, but thinking makes it so"
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In what i believe, just because we are locked in our own individual bodies, we are all still connected. If one person does something wrong, or classified evil, that's just the way life is. The magic number is 2 because that is how everything is, male+female, positive + negative polarities, light dark. It is all one, without a negative there wouldn't be a positive. I like the quote from William Shakespeare....

"There is no such thing as good or bad, but thinking makes it so"
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Duality exists here and is a consecuence of free will..for free will to be exercised duality had to come into existence..or so I believe

But because this is all we know doesnt mean this is all there is..I think duality will end..when time ends..as Time itself is in my opinion..with the exercise of free will and duality itself..part of

I believe..when this ends..Time etc.. duality ends..splits..like an atom

and one becomes all positive..aka the Kingdom

one totallly negative..aka what is called hell
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the conflict now ..in these in my opinion end times is due to the clashing of the opposites..the negative doesnt want to give up on this duality because does not want to inherit a total negativeness..and actually wishes..dreams..believes...it will inherit the absolute positive..which is obviously ridiculous..

the negative has not awakened to its true essence in my opinion..and this has caused it tremendous suffering..as living in denial of who one really is often does

but its harmony that positive should be with positive etc..

as the duality has benefitted the negative in detrimand to the positive that has kept it bearable..with its own suffering too

all above of course simply my opinion
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the clash is because the negative actually is trying to inherit the positive..so I believe..it wont let go..its struggling like a wounded animal trying to delay or revert the ..in my opinion again..inevitable
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very sad in a way
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the conflict now ..in these in my opinion end times is due to the clashing of the opposites..the negative doesnt want to give up on this duality because does not want to inherit a total negativeness..and actually wishes..dreams..believes...it will inherit the absolute positive..which is obviously ridiculous..

the negative has not awakened to its true essence in my opinion..and this has caused it tremendous suffering..as living in denial of who one really is often does

but its harmony that positive should be with positive etc..


as the duality has benefitted the negative in detrimand to the positive that has kept it bearable..with its own suffering too

all above of course simply my opinion
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Don't opposites attract tho? Males attracted to females? It is unity, without one you cannot have the other. If anything, The hell you think of is instead a learning an experience and not to torment people, would you find joy from the torment of other people? I just think it's wrong to condemn people to "hell" just because they don't share the same views. I know that you are not one of these people. I have not seen you wish anyone to go to hell but... i have seen many that consider themselves Christians that wish that(one person i can think of, since this is not my thread it can't be considered as a "call out thread", that guy i speak of is the one named "Christian") Why he picked that name and act the way he does... idk..
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the christ is within us all, the heart of hearts, the heart of God

oneness with the Cosmic Father, the Christ, our sun

The Cosmic Christ loves us and we are little suns on Mother earth

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and even among His most devout followers who can compare to Christ? How can we be as He? yet that is what we are supposed to achieve..
 Quoting: wildhoney


It never says that you will be doing this on your own effort, not by work but by Grace of God. Like fire that tests the purity of Gold so does Life tests our purity.

I am not Christian but I have tremendous respect for Christ teachings, it's just sad to see so many who considers themselves devout followers of Christ identify themselves as Christians. What Christ came to do was to abolish religion and all the earthly principalities, he did not come to invent new religion., that's why he was so hated by the Pharisees and rest of learned elders of Zion. He came to free people from the bondage not put them under the yoke of another law.

The problem is religions like Christianity itself was invented by people who were interpreting Christ words with carnal minds, they had eyes but could not see, and ear but could not hear the truth that his teachings contained.
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd


I think He did come to change things radically..as to wether this message has been understood by all who claim they do remains to be seen..or rather is a metter of opinion
 Quoting: wildhoney


Truth is not matter of opinion, for example when I look at the Sun it might appear as if Sun sets or rises depending on the time of observation, but Sun itself neither rises nor sets and it's behavior is not influenced in any way by my opinion or perception.

So truth has no respect for opinions and there is only one way how you can discern the truth from lie and that is by questioning it and putting it under test of your skepticism through experiments. As opposite lies sooner or later fails the test. That's why bible says

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "but test everything; hold fast what is good."

1 John 4:1 "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Understanding only comes through experience, and once truth about something is understood you won't fall to the trap of ignorance again.

It's not truth that sets man truly free, but understanding. For even if you knew something to be truth but you did not understand it, you might end up doing the same mistake again...it's only through understanding you stop doing same mistakes again.
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and even among His most devout followers who can compare to Christ? How can we be as He? yet that is what we are supposed to achieve..
 Quoting: wildhoney


It never says that you will be doing this on your own effort, not by work but by Grace of God. Like fire that tests the purity of Gold so does Life tests our purity.

I am not Christian but I have tremendous respect for Christ teachings, it's just sad to see so many who considers themselves devout followers of Christ identify themselves as Christians. What Christ came to do was to abolish religion and all the earthly principalities, he did not come to invent new religion., that's why he was so hated by the Pharisees and rest of learned elders of Zion. He came to free people from the bondage not put them under the yoke of another law.

The problem is religions like Christianity itself was invented by people who were interpreting Christ words with carnal minds, they had eyes but could not see, and ear but could not hear the truth that his teachings contained.
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd


I think He did come to change things radically..as to wether this message has been understood by all who claim they do remains to be seen..or rather is a metter of opinion
 Quoting: wildhoney


Truth is not matter of opinion, for example when I look at the Sun it might appear as if Sun sets or rises depending on the time of observation, but Sun itself neither rises nor sets and it's behavior is not influenced in any way by my opinion or perception.

So truth has no respect for opinions and there is only one way how you can discern the truth from lie and that is by questioning it and putting it under test of your skepticism through experiments. As opposite lies sooner or later fails the test. That's why bible says

1 Thessalonians 5:21 "but test everything; hold fast what is good."

1 John 4:1 "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Understanding only comes through experience, and once truth about something is understood you won't fall to the trap of ignorance again.

It's not truth that sets man truly free, but understanding. For even if you knew something to be truth but you did not understand it, you might end up doing the same mistake again...it's only through understanding you stop doing same mistakes again.
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Some good words there m8. Does that apply to EVERYONE tho? since they don't all believe in the bible as being the word of god?

Even tho i don't believe the bible to be the "true word of god" it is definitely some good words to learn from.
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In what i believe, just because we are locked in our own individual bodies, we are all still connected. If one person does something wrong, or classified evil, that's just the way life is. The magic number is 2 because that is how everything is, male+female, positive + negative polarities, light dark. It is all one, without a negative there wouldn't be a positive. I like the quote from William Shakespeare....

"There is no such thing as good or bad, but thinking makes it so"
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I would rather say Freedom of Choice rather than Free Will, for we really have no free will but freedom of choice, so we can choose but we cannot escape the consequences of our choice.

To grow and evolve we need both negative and positive, both the existence of good and evil are necessary, pain and suffering as hard it might be to accept are necessary for our growth, let me ask you something which experience has usually been the one that has pushed you toward change and growth? was it positive experience or negative one? Most likely it was the negative one.

But this does not mean that negative experience is Good in itself, or that there is no such thing as good and bad I used to think this way too but now I realize that is not true, you see the dark force will use the painful experience to further you away from that which is good and God, while God itself uses that experience to transform you and for good.

In bible it says Genesis 50:20 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today."

That's why we perceive so much negativity around us, all the sickness, the wars, the pain and suffering...there is deliberate push behind it by the TPTB to create as unfavorable environment as possible to stop our growth and further us away from God and that which is Good.

There will come the time when those who are disposed for Light will be separated from those who will be disposed for Darkness and this is called Time of Harvest.

If you have noticed ever since 9/11 2001 the world has turned into more and more negative place to live in, this is not by accident, the destroying of Twin Towers, symbolically representing Duality of number 11, 11 is master number in numerology and it symbolizes both vision and duality, this was the symbolic meaning behind the destruction of Twin Towers, the beginning of the end of World of Duality where both Good and Bad reside and the birth of One world Government where there exist only Darkness and Evil.

The 2012 and Mayan prophesies has gained great coverage from MSM the film industry etc. There are two prominent views of what the end of 2012 will mean one is promoted by the Doomsday advocates that it will mark the end of the world, the much anticipated Apocalypse (Apocalypse itself does not mean Destruction, but rather Revelation) and another one is prominent among the New-Age advocates who believes that 2012 will mark the beginning of the Golden age of Enlightenment, they are both very mistaken, it won't be the end of the world (in physical sense) but end of the old world and beginning of the new, it won't be also beginning of the Golden Age for the harvest itself is negative, so what does end of the 2012 means? It means the beginning of the new World much anticipated by the TPTB, they know nothing can be done anymore to stop them, and even if one could they know people won't.

I don't know if you have personally noticed but lately it is as if even those who are disposed to do good and be unselfish has been surrounded by very painful negative experiences even if they keep thinking positively and expect all good it appears as if they are no longer in control of their reality, the reason behind this is Divine Intervention. It's to break you free from the illusion that you are creating your own worlds with your thoughts, yes thoughts are creative but you are not in control of your reality. The second reason is to prepare you for that which is about to come, like in army you are put under pressure and discipline so you could make it in battlefield. The world is going to turn into such a mess and painful place to dwell in that it will push your integrity and faith to utmost limits...
I am almost done with putting away my carnal body and with it all it's desires and passions!
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the clash is because the negative actually is trying to inherit the positive..so I believe..it wont let go..its struggling like a wounded animal trying to delay or revert the ..in my opinion again..inevitable
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Opposites will have annihilated each other. Oneness with God is something else.





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