Colorado cake shop refuses to bake a gay couple's wedding cake

Once again, not YOU...

For someone claiming higher intelligence, you must be reminded where this site is now based, and it isn't in America.

This is not an American forum no longer.

My apologies.

Ok, you're in regardless.

Hahahaha, now that is classic... no really, ahahahahahaha, do you read? The US is going to collapse, and is approximately 300 TRILLION is debt, including unfunded liabilities. Patterns are starting to emerge in certain failing sectors, ie business, economy, energy, food, etc. We will collapse and very soon. ireland has it easy compared to America...

LOL, right, keep telling yourself that.

There's a clear burger munching, coke swilling preponderance of News, points, posts and agenda here. You might not notice it if you aren't aware of other countries BTW, an issue a lot of Americans suffer from I'll grant you.

Awesome.

Let me know at which time you'd like to do these little counseling sessions each week. I may have to rearrange my schedule.

Let's just drop the same old tired words like bigot and idiot, and address the core issue.

Some of us here on planet Earth believe in an objective moral law, and an objective eternal law-giver. We believe certain acts and thoughts are contrary to said law, and we try to abide by said law and find acts contrary to said law wrong, and in some cases, disgusting.

It's our right as Earthlings, just like you, to find these certain acts disgusting- especially when they fly in the face of not only said law- but also biology.

That bakery owner has every right to find gay marriage disgusting, just as you have every right to find it awesome, but to insist that we have to tolerate everything you do is well- intolerant of our beliefs.

I hate to blow my own trumpet but I did call it - [link to www.technologyreview.com]

Last Edited by Pandacat on 07/31/2012 05:58 PM

A strict sense of morality is intolerable to the "tolerant".

Indeed. It seems to make them writhe internally...and quite possibly, eternally.

God bless you Trinity! Your opinion is respected.

I fail to see how your going to change anybody's mind about it pal. You're on a soapbox preaching to people who've decided to stand firm on the issue. I guess it hasn't donned on you yet that the owner could have simply denied the allegation. People are fed up with a minority portion of the population cramming a deviant behavior into our culture. That's it plain and simple. Flailing your arms and stomping your feet will never change my mind.

And if you think your occupying free rent space in peoples heads, think again dingus.

wookie has no saber

Well said

...and who or what defines "morals"? Society, religion, culture, ???? Its religion. Religion defines morals, through society. Its sad, and funny, in some ways, the intolerance from some to others. I guess being different is not socially acceptable. In reality, why does it bother you? Jealous, insecure, envious, ??? What? Are you envious that the gay community is free to be open with the taboo, while you cower in fear due to societal, familial, or religious pressure - which won't allow you to live whatever life you want to?

I am going to laugh when the gay community takes this store owner to court and sues him for liable, slander, or discrimination... capitalism at its finest...

would sound more like air sputtering out of a stretched out balloon than a trumpet anyway.

I'll work around you. Needs must, this is clearly an emergency.

Thank you. Bit of a time difference between us but I've cancelled sleep and several other things just for you.

Devient being anything that deviates from the norm, by definition.

I say to hell with it, let's murder pescatarians!

Actually, I've come to the conclusion that you make the most sense of anyone here. Thus you can give the sessions also.

I define MY morals.

I know what feels right and wrong to me.

As for homosexuals, I'm not keen on the agenda that's being pushed. In their personal lives, I don't care what they do, I'm not going to stand outside of their homes and harass them, be cruel to them, assault them, try to murder them.

When 2 gay men walk into a bakery and the owner believes their lifestyle to be an abomination or what have you I believe he should have the right to refuse service without an uproar from the gay community or supporters of the gay community. It's HIS business, let his conscience be his guide.

Homosexuals think their opinions/feelings/beliefs should be respected but they don't want to allow those opposed to how they live the same luxury.

You can't force someone to tolerate a lifestyle they are completely against because it hurts your feelings. Move on and find someone that WANTS your business.

In the believer's case, God defines morality.

That's the point i was making. 99% of the time people who do not believe in God as a law-giver, embrace the things we as believers would call sinful or disgusting. It's a "do-it-if-it-makes-you-happy" lifestyle that the unbeliever embraces. The unbeliever usually feigns happiness and joy, (while internally rotting away from conviction), and tries to justify their lifestyles with PC movements and agendas, and temper them with flippancy.

On the other hand, true believers in the moral law view life as a serious acclimation wherein one should strive to live a life of acts and ideals not only above animals, but above most humans.

I believe we are all being tested in this life, and we must try our best to acclimate ourselves to the higher standard that is given by the law-giver, because after all, one cannot expect to just waltz up Everest. One must acclimate themselves to it's higher extreme, just as we must acclimate ourselves to the higher extreme waiting on the other side.

Unfortunately most acclimate themselves to the lower extreme while here on Earth, unwittingly preparing themselves for the separation from the law-giver forever, and residing in the depths.

Ask yourself WHY are they against this lifestyle? Its religious based, nothing more, nothing less. If you say otherwise you're wrong, as numerous studies have concluded. You know what feels "right" and "wrong" because of your societal teachings - right or wrong. What is acceptable in one culture is not always accepted in another, and vice versa. Its all about perception and the reference given.

Yeah, this bullshit is important. Not the conflicts going on throughout the war and domestically. Not the major economic, food, energy, environmental, property and education crisis that we now face. Anything to keep us divided and always looking away.

Thanks Chewy.

I do not believe in a fantasy god. Now you may talk ill of atheism but the fact of the matter is, many cultures in todays world are NOT religious, are in fact athiests, and have the HIGHEST regard for family, morals, and ethics. "God" does not give morals, society teaches each other to abide by a given set of rules. Nothing more, nothing less. Funny how the righteous are usually the least tolerant...

Exactly my point. Who cares, really, who really cares about a persons sexual preference. The world is on the verge of collapse, yet I am concerned about if you like the fish taco or play the skin flute???!?!?!?!? Who freaking cares!!

I'm not religious. I despise the bible, I despise organized religion. Try again.

Look at my signature, do I appear to be someone that respects religion? Stop with that BS.

It's none of your business how I came to form the opinions that I have. It's not your place to dictate how I should feel.

I feel it's unnatural. Period. Like I said I don't go out of my way to harass or fuck with the gay people. Don't push it in my face, don't discuss with me intimate details of your relationship and I'm good.

Last Edited by Debauchery on 07/31/2012 06:29 PM

I do not care what a person does in his or her own life but that does not mean I have to accept it being forced down my throat. Freedom of religion is exactly that. They can believe what they want just like anyone else can believe what they want. the owner doesn't like gays, then go elsewhere to have a wedding cake done.there's no law against it.
But if the truth be told ya'll keep trying to force your BS down our throats and see us start filing the lawsuits because you're discriminating against us and what we believe in and our traditional values. the mores of society long defined marriage between a man and a woman. This was thousands of years ago. And now you're trying to destroy that?
That is discrimination!