i would like to raise a very important survival question - one that will affect us all - you may die without the answer

If surviving a pole shift is not the ultimate human triumph what is? That's a citation I want on my wall!
I have a very competitive spirit under my calm and aloof exterior.
That's why Mad Max is the shit =)

WORD TO MY FELLOW HUMAN WARRIOR!

interesting, thanks. i also dreamed of this object before i knew about it.

take it easy man, buy some ER food bars, make a plan on where you could go (somewhere high elevation) learn wild edible stuff, get yourself a good knife and learn snares and traps. buy a katadyn water filter (endurance series)

all of that was cheap advice...anyone can do.

Omg Op dont be a tard.

Go to river. Measure 6 foot from edge of water. Dig down to water. Its filtered out and clean.

Drink. fill canteens. bathe. close hole.

this is possible, good advice...but..
bet you a million dollars this won't work. NANO particles....

nano particles, look into them, they are very hard thing to find in nature. military labs make nano iron oxide, its a difficult process. a star would have no problem making the best nano iron oxide...


btw recommended dig for safety away from water is 50 feet....

Using the Earth Itself to Filter Ground Water

"The ground itself makes for a great water filter. If you are near a water source that is less than clean, use the ground to filter it. Go about 50 feet from the standing water, and dig. If your "pit" looks less than clean after you hit water, give it a few minutes, or continue scooping out water and discarding until it clears up. This same method works even for sea water. For seawater, I would move a little further inland... maybe 50 yards or more before digging. You should strike fresh water there. The further you can go without a significant increase in elevation, the better your chances of getting a good fresh water supply."
[link to www.m4040.com]

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 08/23/2012 03:03 PM

Not trying to be a smart ass here, buuut, how's come you've "put a lot of thought" into these 6 bags, but don't know how you'll filter water?

BTW - My suggestion for filtering water (is what I plan to do) is moringa plant. the seeds ground down are good for filtering water.

you in-fact are being a smart-ass, you think i gave you all the details for my 6 bags?

i have the best portable water filter there is by katadyn, endurance series...i dont have to change the filter for 1.5 human lifetimes, its military grade for running water...

standing water has charcoal filter replacements


if you have paid any attention to this thread you would know NANO-PARTICULATE IRON OXIDE is a different story entirely. smart-ass

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 08/23/2012 03:06 PM

what about a dehumidifier

Don't forget to enjoy life right now, soulkeeper, because nothing is absolute. It might and it might now happen. Relax and enjoy life too.

As for the iron oxide, from what I've seen in a prophetic dream, the debris is large enough to riccochet off the moon and sound like fireworks. It's been a number of years, since I had the dream, and it still hasn't happened.

I meant to say 'might NOT'. What I saw very closely resembled a Brown Dwarf. So where is it? I prepared like crazy for a while after that dream, but I'm DONE waiting and worrying. Whatever will be will be. I think there are much worse things than death and our bodies are only temporary.

Resin catalytic filter we use one as a whole facility filter the end result is pure water ( no rust or any other contaminates ie iron oxide), this is NOT reverse osmosis.

Seing how this would never happen, It really dosent matter.

Soooo.... You plan on living out the rest of your life in your radiation suit after all of the nuclear reactors in the country meltdown?

head west, almost none in center of usa...it will settle...

LOL I think us in the middle will have a whole 'nuther set of problems to worry about :(

ive heard sticking your head in the sand sometimes works rather well :)

We may not have any other choice BUT to stick our heads in the sand.... :(

So in your opinion none of the radiation being emitted from the west coast nuclear plants will affect the center of the USA?

How can this be? IF there were any iron dust circulating around Nibiru, wouldn't it have settled back to the planet eons ago? There also can't be any moons "trailing" Nibiru through space since there is no friction in space, so they must be in orbit around Nibiru. If there are moons.

this isnt about nibiru

its about wormwood

just like our sun and we circle around our sun

so nibiru circles around wormwood


wormwood has a cloud of iron oxide around it JUST AS BROWN DWARFS ARE COMPOSED OF THIS


we are a long ways away from our sun

nibiru is a good distance away from its sun....



read my proof post link...

I will love it when TSHF. All you fools will be supplying me with all kind of kool stuff.

You will die of stupidity, then I will collect all that you leave behind.
How do I know This? It is threads like this that tell me How foolish, so many people are.


Thanks in Advance for all your "stuff".

My BIL got back to me re:potable water:

Neither system is "perfect".

The non-electric distiller will definitely give you high quality, ultra safe water. The downside to it is how much fuel it will consume with its slow output in order to generate enough water to meet household needs in an emergency. The key to it being viable in an emergency will be access to sufficient fuel, as well as a water source. In the case of the distiller, literally any water source is viable, even salt water.

Berkey (short-hand derivative of British Berkefeld) on the other hand, operates without any power or fuel requirements. Two shortcomings of note exist with this system. The ceramic candle filter elements are somewhat fragile and if cracked, become useless. Second, the filtration will only remove cyst and bacteria, but will not address virus removal. If a water system fails (e.g., City of Richardson), it may likely be that viruses could be present in the water. In the case of water overflowing from sewage treatment plant flooding, there will definitely be virus concern. To resolve the virus issue, you would need to add chlorine or iodine to the water after filtering and let it sit for a period of time (5-10 minutes with strong dosage; 30-60 minutes with weaker dosing; water temperature will impact it too; colder temperature takes longer). As you can see there are variables that can leave you guessing and chlorine bleach doesn't store stabily for long periods of time without deteriorating. Lastly, the chlorine or iodine won't taste good, especially the iodine or the chlorine in higher dosage.

For compact storage, faster output, and less fragility I would look at something like the MSR Auto Flow Gravity Filter, [link to cascadedesigns.com] and still plan on using chlorine or iodine after filtering just like described above. If using iodine tablets, you can follow with using a neutralizing citric acid tablet to knock down the iodine taste. Multi-step process, but a viable option in an emergency.

For a hand pump option, check out [link to cascadedesigns.com] which you see includes chlorine in a small bottle for final treatment (remember there is a shelf-life issue so don't put it in the closet and forget about it for years and expect it to still be good).

Seldon can only sell to US military and export markets for now, but that is expected to change by early 2013. At that point, I could make other drink-through pump or straw-like recommendations for purifying (inclusive of virus removal) without having to add chemicals. [link to seldontechnologies.com]

Hope this helps. Bottom line is that the most versatile and long lasting option that can handle the highest level of contamination will be the distiller you found. I would just be very concerned about keeping the heat going for so long and going through so much fuel to get the job done. It will be incredibly inefficient and time consuming to tend to / monitor and operate the unit for enough water for a household for a few days, let alone if looking after neighbors.

The gravity feed hollow fiber bag from MSR with some chlorine from Cascade Designs/MSR in a diluted somewhat more stable solution would likely be your best bet, give higher output, store in less space, will not be fragile (except that it will be ruined if it ever freezes even once!), and costs a lot less and require no fuel.

Sry. I did not edit above because I wasn't sure what would be useful or not to anyone's situation. He NEVER bottom-lines anything. Ha

A magnet maybe? But I'm one of those who would watch television as the world burned rather than try to save a life destined to die anyway.

Thank you for your reply.

BUT The Berkey is NOT a British Berkefeld.
The Berkey is a Chinese copy sold mainly in the USA.
If you do a search for Berkey black filters you can read the horror stories.

I use my British Berkefeld to filter tap water, but if SHTF then I would filter rain water, I currently have 500L stored, which fortunately is legal in the UK.
The candles are quite fragile and I do need to buy some spares. I do have a large quantity of bleach and some water purifying tablets.

^^ This

You can distill anything with a coat hanger, pot & lid, and heat source.

Stock up on sterno, candles, and indoor lamp oil. Olive oil is the best survival fuel but it is expensive. You can eat it or burn it in lamps.

the "black berkey" filter elements (the non-ceramic) were designed in the united states. the ceramic ones are still called "berkefeld", and are usually only found in europe, i think. or am i mistaken?

thank you so much for the reply TechRaider

i really wanted to buy the waterwise distiller but when i looked for reviews. i found this

[link to www.amazon.com]

absolutely horrible reviews

does anyone actually own this unit on this site? the last review here is very recent


review 1

"I purchased this as a gift for someone else. When he opened it, it was clear that the product was poorly conceived and poorly made. The pot is stainless steel, but way too thin. The rest of it is thin and poorly soldered. The one I purchased arrived broken and could not be used. Not worth the money."


review 2

"This is absolute junk! Not only is it very poorly and cheaply made, but I'm afraid to drink the distilled water that comes from it for fear of metal poisoning! It is advertized as being all stainless steel, and looks that way in the pictures, but the picture does not show you the underside and inner parts of the coolant tray assembly. The water coolant tray assembly where the distilled water drips from is NOT made of stainless steel, but instead, some rough and dirty metal alloy that contaminates the water and makes it taste horrible! It doesn't matter how much you clean it, or what you clean it with, or how many litres of water you boil, the water that comes out has a sticky feel to it and a strange metallic taste. This is a rip-off! Buyer beware!"

review 3
"I have purchased this and returned promptly. All I had to do is take a close look. Hope to spare you the waste of time I have included pictures of the waterwise ww1600."



if you look at the pictures you can see rust on the pipe where the water drips out, reviewers said it makes the water taste like rust

[link to www.amazon.com]

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 08/24/2012 03:16 PM

my plan was to buy the 1600 distiller

and use it with this!

[link to www.ebay.com]

PORATBLE SOLAR BARBECUE! temperatures get up to 500 degrees F!!! (which means on cloudy day, it can still boil water, at half temp)

elimination of fuel problem!

that and i also have a ROCKET STOVE , VERY VERY efficient fuel burning stone for the cloudy days

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 08/24/2012 03:19 PM