All The Information For All The Astronomy Websites and Programs Is Provided Primarily By This One Source. Guess Who !!!

AstroDogs employer?

The Astronomy guys must know. They quote it all the time. Where are they all to answer this? Don't they even know?

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The very fact that every toy gyroscope ever released got up to full precessional speed "instantly", apparently caused early scientists to not even realize that there was any issue regarding where that precessional energy and angular momentum came from. So it does not appear that anyone had ever noticed before that this is a example of a VIOLATION of Conservation of Angular Momentum! As a result, several assumptions had been made in science which can now be seen as having been wrong!

A primary wrong assumption was made in the middle 1800s when several brilliant mathematicians assumed AM was always conserved, which therefore required that planets could perturb each others' orbits but NOT the actual orbital radius. That assumption was repeatedly built upon many times over the following 150 years, where quite a few errors in science were built up and which now still exist.

As the precessional motion begins, angular momentum "appears" (around axis 3) where it had not existed before. This is a unique situation in the field of Physics! The same violation occurs when planets perturb each other, which is also a gyroscopic effect, and that actually changes a rigidly held believe of Physicists! They believe that when two planets perturb each other, that they cannot alter the semi-major axes of their orbits. That WOULD be true, and is easily shown by simply examining the equations for both energy and angular momentum. So, for more than 150 years, all astronomers, astrophysicists and physicists have concluded that perturbations could not affect the orbital radii of planets and other objects. The fact that this proof above shows that GYROSCOPIC effects CAN permit such changes is an enormous change in the field of astrophysics! It actually allows a rather simple explanation for a number of peculiar things in the Solar System, such as (Kirkwood) gaps in the asteroid belt, gaps in the rings of Saturn and other planets, interesting patterns in the four Galilean Moons of Jupiter and many others, and even the Long Inequality of Jupiter and Saturn!

But Astrophysicists seem to still deny that this Violation of the Conservation of Angular Momentum occurs due to gyroscopic effects, so they still insist on some wrong assumptions!


[link to mb-soft.com]

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Every amateur and professional astronomer is VERY aware of the effects of the precession of the Earth! It is VERY annoying! Accurate star maps are printed for a precise date, like 1950.0 or 2000.0, and the exact place in the sky that is above 90°North Latitude (our North Pole) is precisely marked. (All other stars are marked and shown relative to that location.) Unfortunately, due to the precession of the Earth, the point in the sky (stars) that is directly above the North Pole seems to MOVE! Every year, it proceeds by a little over 50" of arc. (We had calculated that exact amount up above.) That is actually a lot, roughly the entire diameter of the Moon in 40 years! Since even amateur astronomers often look at Nebula and other objects that are only around ONE second of arc in diameter, if it has moved by 50 times that far in a year since a map was printed, that's a problem! If you set a clock-drive of a telescope to a specific position in the sky, you will probably not see what you are looking for! Until you correct for the precessional effect!

As a result of this, all astronomers regularly have to consult "Precession tables" which give the amount of correction that is needed for any date different from the Epoch of the starmaps they use! Except for a single day, all star maps are always wrong! And Precession it the greatest cause of that! It might seem that star maps are star maps, they never change! Pretty much, that is true, except for the effect of precession. If someone now tried to use a 1950.0 star map to find some nebula, they would probably never find it, as it would be more than a full Moon diameter away from where that map showed it to be!

If you wanted to start an Astronomy Website you wouldn't go buy a telescope and then go map the Universe. You would contact the one source who's mapped it all already. Others have used their maps to build programs for Users and Web Sites. It all still comes from the same source. From one source. Anybody know who it might be.......?

The Nautical Almanac, originally.. morphed.

Now JPL does the calcs.. Astronomical Almanac . Astronomical Applications Dept. of US Naval Observatory.

naza???

Bingo. The American Government. Waterbug gets the Grand Prize. God I Love This Guy. Your my favorite GLP Astronomer.

The star charts have an interesting history.

BTW.. not an astronomer in any sense of the word..

Information junkie..

This too shall pass!

Gov'ment do take a bite, don't she?

What form of mankind first looked to the night sky and thought ..

Millions of Amateur Astronomers Worldwide use those sites for all the information to draw their conclusions and to make observations. All the information comes from one entity. I heard they have it all Copy Righted too.

interestin very much so thx op

NONE of the ASTRONOMY SITES are REAL TIME. Not even Goggle. They upload the NEW INFORMATION periodically from the source. Its basically the only source available.

So basically its the same old game. They are telling us what we are seeing and not seeing and where things are supposed to be and not be and the orbit and paths of things.

And all astronomers are dependent on these immensely complicated calculations for their own calculations..

Nothing is as it seems. No matter what they think they know.
The gullibles lap it up..

Since when has VEGA ever been a Day Time Star. Biggest Lie Ever Told. Have you noticed the NEW MEMBER ASTRONOMY GUYS here to fill our ears with more garbage. Its getting close to the time when they can hide whats coming no more. Even with the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT SPONSORED SOLE SOURCE OF ASTRONOMY PROGRAMS AND INFORMATION FOR THE MASSES. Only the SHEEP eat it up.

Now the Yankers are talking about some sort of eclispse of the Sun by the Earth for the Spacestation. If I didn't know any better I'd say somthings up big time. The spacestation just had the Russians and the Japanese dock with a bunch of goodies and they are all up there up to no good if you ask me. Somthings going on. Go to spaceweather for their newest explaination of the Black out Sun for the Spacestation.

Most, but not all, use this (NASA neither created nor published it, they simply indexed a digital copy of the article):
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
No one says you have to though, I implemented George Hill's data on the orbit of Jupiter (over a hundred years old) in celestia for the purposes of this thread:
Thread: Jupiter's orbit is still NOT "off"

The Astronomical Almanac, conjointly developed by The U.S. Naval Observatory and The Majesty's Nautical Almanac Office in the United Kingdom, is not the only source available for Solar System data (Indeed it is not, strictly speaking, a primary source because its data are provided by the JPL --DE405, See [link to iau-comm4.jpl.nasa.gov] )

Other sources for Solar System Data are, for example:

1. L'Institut de Mécanique céleste et de calcul des éphémérides (IMCCE) ( [link to www.imcce.fr] ) that replaced the former Service des calculs et de mécanique céleste of the Bureau des longitudes wich as early as 1984 developed a machine-generated semi-analytical theory, the Variations Séculaires des Orbites Planétaires (VSOP82). As Dr. Astro said, the updated version of VSOP82, the VSOP87, is a standard in the computation of the positions and orbital elements of the planets directly, at any moment.

2. The Russian Institute for Applied Astronomy ( [link to www.ipa.nw.ru] , See, for instance, [link to www.ipa.nw.ru] )

3. The Minor Planet Center (MPC) is responsible for data of astrometric observations and orbits for minor planets, comets, and natural satellites ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] )

In the case of General Astronomical Data, The Centre de Données astronomiques de Strasbourg hosts the Strasbourg astronomical Data Center (CDS), which is dedicated to the collection and worldwide distribution of astronomical data and related information ( [link to cds.u-strasbg.fr] ):

"The CDS hosts the SIMBAD astronomical database, the world reference database for the identification of astronomical objects; VizieR, the catalogue service for the CDS reference collection of astronomical catalogues and tables published in academic journals; and the Aladin interactive software sky atlas for access, visualization and analysis of astronomical images, surveys, catalogues, databases and related data."

So, the Hoaxtards again fail to provide reliable information.

Don't know why you dug this thread up...
but why not address this post..?

Then tell me how accurate you could be without consulting the information provided by JPL, USNO and NASA.
Then tell me how you could ever verify if fudged data were given.

Oh you'll see, and you won't be happy about it.

Because it's irrelevant, precession is known and a normal effect of tidal forces.

Quite accurate. More accurate than you can see by eye. And yes, I'm working on something related to the thread's subject.

By comparing to my own astrometric measurements...

Last Edited by Astromut on 02/03/2013 12:07 AM

Also it helps if you actually do some real research and get the data straight from original tables and books and do the calculations yourself...

Horseshit, you're a fucking moron and too stupid to do any such thing, blowhard.

I can't imagine what you mean by that.
Is speculation and copy/paste a crime..?
This is all entertainment, right?

If you honestly believe that then you're going to be in for a nasty surprise...

Well.. since I am not an expert in the field.. I must defer to
others and their statements.
Any conclusions I draw from those are going to be speculation on my part.

What bothers me is that mistakes in all of the sciences have been made in the past.. and they will be made in the future.
It is supremely arrogant to assume we know it all.

Well then you'll just have to wait and see... Be patient, calculations of this magnitude take time. When it's done you can have the excel sheet to test and review it for yourself...