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Just to make it clear (Ahmadinezhad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map.")

 
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Just to make it clear (Ahmadinezhad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map.")
Minister of Intelligence and Atomic Energy Dan Meridor told Al Jazeera that Iran never vowed to "wipe Israel off the map," as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly claimed.

Speaking to the Arab network, Meridor, who also serves as deputy PM, said Iran's leaders "all come basically ideologically, religiously with the statement that Israel is an unnatural creature, it will not survive." However, he added, "They didn't say 'we'll wipe it out,' but (rather) 'it will not survive, it is a cancerous tumor, it should be removed'. They repeatedly said 'Israel is not legitimate, it should not exist'."

[link to www.ynetnews.com]

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In a reminder that Persian rhetoric is not always easy for English-speakers to interpret, a senior Israeli official has acknowledged that Iran’s president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, never actually said that Israel “must be wiped off the map.”

Those words were attributed to Mr. Ahmadinejad in 2005, in English translations of his speech to a “World Without Zionism” conference that October. As my colleague Ethan Bronner reported the next year, one problem was translating a metaphorical turn of phrase in Persian that has no exact English equivalent — there was, for instance, no mention of a map — and there was a heated debate about whether the original statement was a threat or a prediction.

[link to thelede.blogs.nytimes.com]

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4 things we should know about Iran :

1. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad never said that Israel should be "wiped off the map."
2. Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons.
3. Iran has a legitimate need for more energy, which is driving its nuclear efforts.
4. The US and Israel both say Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.


Explanation 1 :

Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project noted in 2007 that Ahmadinejad "never... uttered the words 'map,' 'wipe out,' or even 'Israel'" in his statement. Rather, he argued, the translation should have been that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." (Both The Washington Post and The Atlantic came up with similarly variant translations.)

Explanation 2 :

Whatever words Ahmadinejad used to describe his attitude towards Israel, it is undeniable that he is not the true leader of Iran. That role is filled by the country's supreme leader and foremost religious figure, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Mr. Khamenei's words are highly influential among religious Shiites –thus making his 2005 fatwa against nuclear weapons a significant factor in discussing Iran's nuclear program.

Explanation 3 :

While Iran is a major supplier of both oil – it is the fourth largest producer in the world according to the CIA's World Factbook – it is also a major consumer. The Green Party of Iran (an environmental party not to be confused with the Green Movement behind the 2009 presidential protests) estimated in 2000 that Iran ranked second only to the US in gasoline consumption. But despite Iran's huge oil production, it lacks the facilities to refine it into gasoline, forcing it to import a barrel of oil for every eight it exports. According to Majd, some Iranians blame their lack of refining infrastructure on Western sanctions.

Explanation 4 :

National Intelligence Agency Director James Clapper wrote in a report to the Senate Armed Services Committee that "Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons... should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons."

When asked in a hearing by Sen. Carl Levin (D) of Michigan to confirm that "Iran has not yet decided to develop nuclear weapons," Mr. Clapper did so, saying “That is the intelligence community’s assessment …," and he reiterated that he has doubts about whether Iran is attempting to create a nuclear weapon when pressed further by Sen. Lindsay Graham (R) of South Carolina. Gen. Roland Burgess of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who also appeared at the hearing, agreed with Clapper's assessment.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta made statements even more to the point than Clapper's in January. In the January 8 edition of CBS's Face the Nation, Mr. Panetta said flat out, "Are they [Iran] trying to develop a nuclear weapon? No."

Israeli intelligence also does not believe that Iran is currently pursuing a nuclear weapon. In January, Haaretz reported that Israel believes Iran "has not yet decided whether to translate [its efforts to improve its nuclear power] capabilities into a nuclear weapon - or, more specifically, a nuclear warhead mounted atop a missile." That same month, Israeli military intelligence chief Gen. Aviv Kochavi told a Knesset hearing that Iran is not working on building a nuclear bomb, reported Agence France-Presse.
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Re: Just to make it clear (Ahmadinezhad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map.")
You have got to be kidding. Why are you playing semantic games? Its the same meaning.....Maybe even worse as these leaders are giving people instructions.. Why is it ok for you people to interpret what we say any way you want then threaten to behead us and even kill our people but you hang on to EXACT words to say see your lying because your interpretation is NOT EXCACTLY what I said Even when WE ALL KNOW what you are threatening.
it is a cancerous tumor, it should be removed'. They repeatedly said 'Israel is not legitimate, it should not exist'."
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Please Semantically explain this away Mr So full of Hate.....
Just Breaking! Iran will be able to wipe the Israel regime off the scene. THEY HAVE THE BOMB



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Tough Talk Alert. Minister of Defense Ahmad Vahidi steps up for the ritual warning, “The defense capability of the Islamic Iran [Republic] against threats by the Zionist regime has been developed to an extent that it will be able to wipe the regime off the scene
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yes but it doesn't matter if he said it or not, you will be told he did regardless if he did. thats the power they have.
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Iran hasn't started a war in over 200 years. Israel and the U.S. have done nothing BUT start wars. Israel blows up anything that bothers them like they have a god-given right. If the Zionists were wiped off the map the world would be a peaceful place.
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OP,

the fact of the matter is that Persia is mentioned in an ancient prophecy of Gog and Magog. Whether you believe in the bible is not the issue here, but according to the holy book of muslims - the Quran - God gave that piece of land to the jewish people (surah 17:104). If God gave the jewish people that land, then they have every right to live there and then the Iran regime can't say that it's not natural. Iran has a large Jewish population (over 10,000) and how did they get there? They were taken captive from Israel (back then called Canaan) and taken to Persia 2600 years ago.
Till the 70s Iran and Israel had good relationships, but then Ayatollah Khameini came, established an islam republic and all ties to Israel were cut. So can you imagine that people in Israel are afraid of your government? Ahmedinejad, just like Hamas and Hezbollah, don't want the jewish people to live there and therefore have made themselves enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. If you're an intelligent guy you'd agree with me that overthrowing the Iranian government would be a blessing to the rest of the world, including your people.
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Iran hasn't started a war in over 200 years. Israel and the U.S. have done nothing BUT start wars. Israel blows up anything that bothers them like they have a god-given right. If the Zionists were wiped off the map the world would be a peaceful place.
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Get your facts straight.
In the last 200 years Persia(Iran) has Started All these Wars.
They have been involved in several other wars, that are not listed here, that they did not start.
Rebellions and uprisings have also been omitted from this list.


Russo-Persian War-(1804-1813) 1812 and 1813 is within the last 200 years, so this war is included.
Afghan-Persian War-(1816)
Turkish-Persian War-(1821-1823)
Russo-Persian War --(1825-1828)
Afghan-Persian War-(1836-1838)

There were a few wars during this period that they did not Start, until:

Iran-Iraq Border Battles -(1969-1970)
Kurdish Rebellion -(1970-1980)
Iranian Seizure of Gulf Islands -(1970-1980)
Dhofar War-(1973-1975)

Due to ongoing Border incidents with Iraq, Iran at least shares some blame for this War.

The First Persian Gulf War (also known as the Iran-Iraq War)—(1980-1988)

The Oil Tanker War -(1984-1988)
Iran's Proxy War with Israel -(1980s-Present)
Proxy War with the United States -(Current)
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Re: Just to make it clear (Ahmadinezhad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map.")
Iran hasn't started a war in over 200 years. Israel and the U.S. have done nothing BUT start wars. Israel blows up anything that bothers them like they have a god-given right. If the Zionists were wiped off the map the world would be a peaceful place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9645738

Get your facts straight.
In the last 200 years Persia(Iran) has Started All these Wars.
They have been involved in several other wars, that are not listed here, that they did not start.
Rebellions and uprisings have also been omitted from this list.


Russo-Persian War-(1804-1813) 1812 and 1813 is within the last 200 years, so this war is included.
Afghan-Persian War-(1816)
Turkish-Persian War-(1821-1823)
Russo-Persian War --(1825-1828)
Afghan-Persian War-(1836-1838)

There were a few wars during this period that they did not Start, until:

Iran-Iraq Border Battles -(1969-1970)
Kurdish Rebellion -(1970-1980)
Iranian Seizure of Gulf Islands -(1970-1980)
Dhofar War-(1973-1975)

Due to ongoing Border incidents with Iraq, Iran at least shares some blame for this War.

The First Persian Gulf War (also known as the Iran-Iraq War)—(1980-1988)

The Oil Tanker War -(1984-1988)
Iran's Proxy War with Israel -(1980s-Present)
Proxy War with the United States -(Current)
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I thought that was Saudi Arabia in most places you stated Iran?
You m-m-m-muh-make me HAAA-PEEE.

Psalm 34:14 - Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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Re: Just to make it clear (Ahmadinezhad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map.")
Why are you protecting the Aryans? Your hate keeps you blind.
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OP,

the fact of the matter is that Persia is mentioned in an ancient prophecy of Gog and Magog. Whether you believe in the bible is not the issue here, but according to the holy book of muslims - the Quran - God gave that piece of land to the jewish people (surah 17:104). If God gave the jewish people that land, then they have every right to live there and then the Iran regime can't say that it's not natural. Iran has a large Jewish population (over 10,000) and how did they get there? They were taken captive from Israel (back then called Canaan) and taken to Persia 2600 years ago.
Till the 70s Iran and Israel had good relationships, but then Ayatollah Khameini came, established an islam republic and all ties to Israel were cut. So can you imagine that people in Israel are afraid of your government? Ahmedinejad, just like Hamas and Hezbollah, don't want the jewish people to live there and therefore have made themselves enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. If you're an intelligent guy you'd agree with me that overthrowing the Iranian government would be a blessing to the rest of the world, including your people.

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Educate yourself. Don't tell me Zionist propaganda.

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Re: Just to make it clear (Ahmadinezhad never said "Israel must be wiped off the map.")
No he said:

يجب ان تمحى اسرائيل من على الخريطة
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Thank god, some one knows the truth here at glp. Most glp readers are so uneducated and feed off of the propaganda to manipulate their minds.hf
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No he said:

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OP,

the fact of the matter is that Persia is mentioned in an ancient prophecy of Gog and Magog. Whether you believe in the bible is not the issue here, but according to the holy book of muslims - the Quran - God gave that piece of land to the jewish people (surah 17:104). If God gave the jewish people that land, then they have every right to live there and then the Iran regime can't say that it's not natural. Iran has a large Jewish population (over 10,000) and how did they get there? They were taken captive from Israel (back then called Canaan) and taken to Persia 2600 years ago.
Till the 70s Iran and Israel had good relationships, but then Ayatollah Khameini came, established an islam republic and all ties to Israel were cut. So can you imagine that people in Israel are afraid of your government? Ahmedinejad, just like Hamas and Hezbollah, don't want the jewish people to live there and therefore have made themselves enemies of Israel and the Jewish people. If you're an intelligent guy you'd agree with me that overthrowing the Iranian government would be a blessing to the rest of the world, including your people.

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bsmeter2propogandapropoganda
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Iran is not an arabic nation! Wow so many dumb people around here.
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He said Israel must be wiped off the GLOBE.
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I can't believe I'm reading in the XXI century people arguing about what 'God' said or didn't said.

Unfuckingbelievable.





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