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Sway me to your point of view

 
Quagmire
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I am 41 years old and was raised as a Christian from birth. In my middle age I have realized I have never truly seen proof of God. Everything I have experienced in my life can be attested to other things besides God himself. Spiritual experiences could have just been emotional experiences due to the desire to be close to God. The Bible itself can be just another book. When I needed God most, he wasn't necessarily there. I invested in a business because I thought God wanted me to only to almost lose everything I've ever worked for. I have never seen a miracle. The Bible is full of contradictions. It also contains ridiculous laws in the OT. The members of my church are awesome, loving people, but they are also human; when my church has disagreements within itself, I wonder how God would allow that.

I can go on. I no longer know what to believe. Should I try to fight to believe what I was raised to believe? Should I explore any of the other hundreds of religions out there, perhaps some that are older than Christianity? Should I embrace further my scientific mind? Should I embrace logic over faith? Should I believe anything at all? Should I forget trying to figure out any meanings in this life and just take care of my family?

Please, tell me your points of view. Let me know what you believe. Give me other things to consider about this life. Maybe I am just older and bitter now. Maybe there are other possibilities I have not considered. Maybe I should embrace my faith even further. Or maybe I should forget faiths and beliefs and just concentrate on what I can see and feel and touch.

Sway me to your point of view.
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go see a Phish show you might find God's presence there
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To make a rather long story rather short: I have been there for other reasons. It did not work out, so to say.

You should take the time to watch some stuff of Santos Bonacci. It's rather long but very well worth the time and surely will hold answers to some of the questions that have piled up for you.


"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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non-religious charity's.


Alternative Gifts International
Amnesty International
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Doctors Without Borders
Freedom from Hunger
FINCA International
International Aids Vaccine Initiative
Kiva – Loans that change lives
Mercy Corps
Oxfam International
Partners In Health (PIH), Health Care for the Poor
PATH A catalyst for global health
Pathfinder International Changing Lives, Saving Lives
Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc.
Second Harvest
Southern Poverty Law Center
TechnoServe – Business Solutions to Rural Poverty
The Nature Conservancy
UNICEF
WHO World Health Organization

[link to knotmyline.wordpress.com]

vs: Christen charity's

A

Abernethy (charity)
Aid to the Church in Need
Allianz-Mission
Almshouse
Appalachia Service Project
Arab Orthodox Society
Association of Interchurch Families
Awana

B

Ferdinando Baldelli
The Bendrigg Trust
Bethany Christian Trust
Bethel Union

C

CAFOD
Canadian Food for the Hungry
Caritas (charity)
Caritas Catholica Belgica
Caritas Europa
Caritas – Social Action
Children of the Nations
Children's Hunger Fund
Christian African Relief Trust
Christian Aid
Christian Care Foundation for Children with Disabilities
Christian Children's Fund of Canada
Christian Foundation for Children and Aging (CFCA)
Christian Mission Service
Christians Against Poverty
Church Commissioners
Church Pastoral Aid Society
Compassion International
Covenant House
Cross International
Crowell Trust


C cont.

CURE International

D

Decatur Cooperative Ministry
Disciples Seminary Foundation

E

Edinburgh City Mission

F

Faith and Light
Foundation for God's Glory
Fransiskushjelpen

G

Glasgow City Mission
Guild of Church Musicians

H

Habitat for Humanity
Habitat for Humanity Ireland
Habitat for Humanity – New York City
Holy Apostles Soup Kitchen
Holy Field
Hope UK

I

Indigenous People's Technology and Education Center
Institute in Basic Life Principles
International Assistance Mission
International Child Care USA

J

Josephite Community Aid
Jubilee Centre

K

Kindernothilfe

L

LDS Humanitarian Services
LDS Philanthropies
Lent Event

M

Malaysian CARE
Marie Adelaide Leprosy Centre
Medair
Medical Teams International
Mercy Ministries
The Message Trust
Mikindani Center of HOPE
Missionaries of Charity


M cont.

Missionaries of the Poor
User:Morning277/sandbox/MM
Mountain T.O.P.

N

National Churches Trust
Nordic Assistance to Vietnam

O

Origin Scotland
Origin South Africa
Our Father's House Soup Kitchen

P

Pandita Ramabai Mukti Mission
Robert Pierce
Prayer for the Nations
Prospects (charity)

R

Renovabis
Ring True Foundation
Thierry de Roucy

S

The Salvation Army
Samaritan's Purse
Sandford St. Martin Trust
The Scott Mission
Scottish Catholic International Aid Fund
Scottish Christian Alliance
SERVE Afghanistan
Society of St Vincent de Paul, Pakistan
Society of St. Andrew

T

Tearfund
TechMission
Tesoro Ministry Foundation
Tiny Hands International

V

VisionTrust

W

World Concern
World Vision International
World Vision United States

Y

Youth Off The Streets

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

i'm sure a few are missed, this was a quick search. and i only included Christen charity's because the full list was 15 pages long.

point is : if you fail to see God's work you'll fail to see the hope that is in this screwed up world.

we all go thru tests and trials in life. just cause you believe, pray and try to become closer to heavenly father does not mean life will miraculously be easy. life is just life my friend.

Good Luck ....
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10/01/2012 02:23 PM
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Sounds like your ready for a Trip.

Find a Shaman.

Partake in the real Eucharist.
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What to believe?
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.
Blind faith is blind. Don't put your faith in anything or anyone, not even yourself or you will be let down.
Everyone I see practices blind faith in something be it religion, science, or the idea that blind faith is always misplaced.
The first step is to accept we know nothing, then the quest for knowledge and understanding can begin in earnest.
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10/01/2012 02:37 PM
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WATCH: Letting Go of God, by Julia Sweeney.....I promise it will change your life.. Can be found on Youtubehf
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

"Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley
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10/01/2012 02:37 PM
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Some guys where also angry on girls on some darker moons ?

Like that giant toad near chernobyl ?

But then in a nice denser atmosphere with a faint moon light.

A guys with dunno skin and iron bones and that stupid mecca giant eh kermis

Without hotels

.. ?

Well they liked eachother and moved to the same road ?
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.. Yeah bye
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Core exit and djen whole mexican gulf will form a new island ?
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You are out doing the shopping and you meet her

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]

...and you have this really interesting chat about all things beautiful and she make you really laugh. She looks at you in a way that says dinner, wine and roses, and then just happens to say that she's an atheist and that religious folk really turn her off. She gives you her telephone number and you thank God? mmm?

Swayed yet?!huh
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10/01/2012 02:46 PM
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Cut out the middle man and have a relationship with God directly. God never says "no" to anyone. Ask, ask, ask to understand whatever you wish. Then observe, observe, observe for the answers. Meditation is a good way to listen as well.
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You are out doing the shopping and you meet her

[link to 3.bp.blogspot.com]

...and you have this really interesting chat about all things beautiful and she make you really laugh. She looks at you in a way that says dinner, wine and roses, and then just happens to say that she's an atheist and that religious folk really turn her off. She gives you her telephone number and you thank God? mmm?

Swayed yet?!huh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24761494


You people ontop of north Antarctica to make a sea beneath the sahara so that we can make cracks ... Here
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Or evesdrops , dunno.

Smearing evedrops on your atmosphere and a oh the trechter toeter going in your eh mouths in the eh air with the above soil.

.. Nice ones.
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Zucht ... Maybe.
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10/01/2012 03:06 PM
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WHY? You're a big boy or girl figure it out for yourself!
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WHY? You're a big boy or girl figure it out for yourself!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10372663


No i need 10.000 euro while they earn money off of it to make it thereselfs.
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And hang on to makebelieve what i can have but not , not
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Oh so funny
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Zucht ... Maybe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24762589


Your showing off because it's legal there...I'm Jealous

Hey dude check this out

[link to www.youtube.com]

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And say byebye in the cam.
Quagmire (OP)

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Cut out the middle man and have a relationship with God directly. God never says "no" to anyone. Ask, ask, ask to understand whatever you wish. Then observe, observe, observe for the answers. Meditation is a good way to listen as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16782114


I've tried that and found jack shit. Ask and ask and ask for direction and hope and insight and I get zero response. In fact I dare say any time I've ever thought I got a response it was my own mind making shit up.

Thanks for the responses so far (other than the completely off topic conversations) but I've tried them all over time already and there is nothing.

Perhaps there simply is no god.
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....zucht , africans like purple shampoo.
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Cut out the middle man and have a relationship with God directly. God never says "no" to anyone. Ask, ask, ask to understand whatever you wish. Then observe, observe, observe for the answers. Meditation is a good way to listen as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16782114


I've tried that and found jack shit. Ask and ask and ask for direction and hope and insight and I get zero response. In fact I dare say any time I've ever thought I got a response it was my own mind making shit up.

Thanks for the responses so far (other than the completely off topic conversations) but I've tried them all over time already and there is nothing.

Perhaps there simply is no god.
 Quoting: Quagmire


It took me trying every night for three months with nothing. After that... well, the tap opened.
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Oh, and read the book Conversations With God by Neil Donald Walsch.
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 Quoting: Mount Sinai 24770027


I don't have 2 hours to spare at the moment to watch this. I will not idly dismiss your input and I will watch when I can. That said, after watching the first minute, it smells like horseshit.
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It took me trying every night for three months with nothing. After that... well, the tap opened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16782114


I used to not touch alcohol. Thankfully I have become acquainted with Jack Daniels as of late. That said, I've never actually been drunk. Only a couple of shots at a time.

I know, what's the point, right? cool2
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LOOK AT THIS WRITING

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD
Quagmire (OP)

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LOOK AT THIS WRITING

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24738272


IF GOD DOESN'T EXIST THEN JESUS CHRIST CANNOT BE HIS SON

Sorry, your use of all caps was contagious.
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LOOK AT THIS WRITING

JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24738272


IF GOD DOESN'T EXIST THEN JESUS CHRIST CANNOT BE HIS SON

Sorry, your use of all caps was contagious.
 Quoting: Quagmire


Get away from the concrete jungle for a bit and pray/meditate.

Seek and you will find. When you seek do so with sincerity, humility, and patience.

All creation declares His majesty. It is unfortunately the case that when we are constantly saturated in 21st century western civ that it is easy to lose site of His Creation, and it is so loud that we can not hear His quiet voice in the stillness of His heart.

Bring a Bible with you.

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