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CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.

 
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CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
With regard to Trinity and others blatant misrepresentation of the real political paradigm, let's begin with the "caveman".


CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.



There is no government in caveman land. Caveman capitalist gathers food, plants seeds and has a harvest. He trades with others that do the same. In these trades he acquires a horse and uses the horse to drag logs from the forest and uses its strength to hoist them in the air, stacking them one atop the other. Soon enough he has a fine log house and moves outta the cave. Life is looking good and others see this as an advance over their own circumstance and so they work to achieve the same level of productiveness and accommodations. Caveman capitalist assists these folk and he charges for his horse and expertise. He gets more horses and soon he has a logging and construction business. He draws plans for log homes on granite slabs and trades these for what he can barter. Business is booming, life is good. Others learn from his example and similarly they move outta the cave and not far away build their own cabin. Some partner with caveman capitalist and expand their offerings into new areas. Eventually entire towns of log cabins and associated enterprises sprout up and down the length of caveman country. Trade expands, knowledge expands and the general welfare of caveman capitalist’s people is elevated.

A caveman socialist drifts into caveman capitalist’s town one day. He speaks of the unfairness and inequity between his tribe’s condition and that of caveman capitalist’s tribe. We are all cavemen, he says, where is your empathy for those much poorer in their situation. If you loved us like you do one another, you would share your bounty, he says. He preaches words of guilt then questions the chance his tribe never had in the way of opportunities, as if success was a roll of the stone dice. By means of doubt, he convinces some that there is a measurement whereby all can benefit. He says that each has an ability and each has a need. If we take from each according to his ability and give to each according to his need, every tribe is elevated. Caveman socialist defends his position as representative of this redistribution and thereby assures himself of a portion of this new trade between the various tribes. The State is born and soon it turns into a hierarchy of demands and rules, edicts forcefully eliciting compliant behavior. Rulers arise and pass their power from family to family.

Not long after, there is a revolution in ideology. Some believe that what wealth a man creates by application of his faculties is not to be arbitrarily subject to confiscation by another. That a man has a right to be secure in his possessions and his life, the two being not separate and needful of protection if continuance of his pursuits is to be assured. His life and that of his family and his community depends on this basic principle. They hire sheriffs to ensure some tranquility in this regard. Still, a long train of abuses follow rulers bent on redistribution of what wealth others create.

Ideological guilt by association and abuse by those who would rule has worn on the long suffering patience of those who build, they will not listen to such gibberish any longer. Soon enough blood is shed as ideological revolution turns to clubs and stone hatchets. The caveman capitalists win this revolution and take the ideas of State for their own use, chiefly to institute a government that protects their rights rather than living under a governance that robs them blind by a forceful acquiescence to dictatorial social order.

Utopians always argue a better world by arguing if - if this, if that, talk which always demands a sacrifice benefiting some while burdening others. The utopian argument thrives on the constant agitation of supposed struggles between those who don’t have the log cabins vs those who built their own cabins. At best, it a constant attempt to fix one disaster with a solution that itself becomes another disaster. This is utopian engineering at its finest, a community organizing scheme at the loss of personal freedom and independence, a constant crisis.

In summary, I see the difference between the utopian argument and the capitalist argument where one is a self-sacrifice for goals achieved and this assured by both the preservation of life and its acquired possessions versus preservation of life by acquisition of possessions and this by demands of equal outcome for the same goals but achieved by the redistribution of wealth created by others accompanied by a restriction on the use of the means of production, the supposed guarantee of opportunity. All probably clear as mud, excepting this one fact: Revolutions have consequences and you ought better to consider this before you riot down my street of log cabins…



Interesting analogy......

Too bad our capitalist system is now ripe with fraud. I would prefer a true "free market" over this psuedo form of capitalism that any caveman would grind his teeth over. Socialism is prison for caveman. Communism is bottomless pit for caveman. Fascism is outright dinosaur egg to caveman.....Caveman scratches head......

~No-bid contracts awarded to friends of present system,
~Derivatives and futures speculation with tax payer bailouts to hedge "their risk" and destroying what was once caveman free market (meanwhile government becomes greatest share holder now driving the agenda for all),
~Elitist Superclass use government (through ever evolving color of law) to mandate caveman contributes his/her remaining wealth to ponzi schemes A-Z including government mandated deathcare, green smart grid carbon tax plan, etc.
~Devaluation of fiat currency to ensure caveman remains poor and unable to make strides against monopoly men who own competing companies (conglomerates),
~Caveman kingdom busy playing imperialist army while jobs go to enemies of caveman and kingdom swarms caveman with insults and rhetoric and officers to eat out caveman's substance.
~Wealthy interests have bought caveman kingdom with money that is is printed out of thin air. Endless supply, endless resources for caveman's "frenemy's" who speak out of both sides mouth.


Caveman wonders what happened to "Capitalism"?
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Oh, that's right,

Mitt Romney is gonna save us (uh-huh).

Obama is a communist stooge. The entire system is rigged.
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bumpfor good
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
Society did NOT develop that way, ESPECIALLY among the "Cave Man" who were trapped behind a thick sheet of mountainous Ice away from the rest of the world from thousands of years.

Socialism is how the world developed actually and the more inhospitable the conditions the less freedom one had in order for all to survive they HAD to work together against the elements and other "Cave Men".

In the more hospitable climates along the equator there was more freedom and individualism down to the Family Stand and up to the God King but still Socialism in some form was the rule.

It wasn't until a few families grew very wealthy that Capitalism as a philosophy was born. Individualism is dependent upon environmental conditions. The more the environment is amenable to survival the more individualism.
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
Tell that to the Alaskans.....
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
Capitalists and Communists work together at the top of the power pyramid.

Think about it. Capitalists (driven by a pure profit motive) love the cheap labor resources within the oppressed regimes, and the Communist leadership gets their backsides scratched with a share of the PROFIT.

Thus the snake is found eating its own tail.....
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The war between the two (economic strategems) is primarily for outward consumption (mass appeal). The resulting aftermath of this so-called contest of wills enables even more monopololization of regional economies by shattering them again and again.

Through conflict, sabotage, and plunder, the central focus remains to buy up the surviving pieces for pennies on the dollar and set the agenda for all. And in the process, oppression and slavery must necessarily grow exponentionally.

Until alas, we are ALL consumed within the belly of the snake that is eating its own tail.
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
And here we are, with the Presidential reality t.v. show thinking ourselves a true democracy of sorts.

Now with the debate casting the shadow of a Communist vs a Capitalist, the general consensus will be built on the pro's and con's of each, nevermind the entire paradigm is wholly misleading.....
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But who really cares about the truth.

BACK TO THE BREAD AND CIRCUS!!

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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
So very true OP
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
cool2
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
Maybe some glue ... ?
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
who knows, permanent hair removal
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
Or else the sun does that whale thing ...
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
A pulse or few maybe besides it if it cant glue its own skin.


Then wake it up again sjeezus.
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
Huh, yes !
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Re: CAVEMAN LAND....THE RISE OF KINGDOM.
bump

minus the weird Niederland comments.....





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