Breaking my vows of secrecy for you

Yes. I think the symoblism is appropriate. I actually did walk naked down a city street in broad daylight after weeks of fasting.

Just focusing on the fact that I was not hungry. I say it didn't end well for me...but that isn't exactly true.

Despite the hell I went through...and the certain death I faced...it didn't end for me.

So I can't say that it was a blessing or a curse. It was simply a challenge.

Truth is everywhere, all around us, we just have to reach out with our minds and grab it.

I heard someone say in this thread, we are in hell, my truth is we're in Paradise and Hell, and we've always been in Paradise and Hell. It's all a matter of how we perceive our reality after all.

I heard someone in this thread say, don't take the writings of the holy books as truth. There is a lot of truth, in lots of books, holy and not so holy, if we know how to interpret the text. The Bible is a perfect example of this, particularly the stories of the Old Testement, and the prophetic passages of the New Testement. Most of these passages hold multiple meanings, literal, esoteric, allegorical, many of these passages are taking place on multiple levels of time, dimmension, and space, at the same time, or in multiples of time.

The truth is your own, and when you find new truth it is like giving birth to new life within your soul. You can't get new truth by hearing it, or reading it, you can only get it by learning it, touching it, and even tasting it. We are sensory beings, but it's amazing how few senses we really use...

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An enjoyable thread, some good information. But just remember folks, time is not as we perceive it, humans made it a linear counting system when it is anything but. Time is cycles within ever expanding cycles, until the cycle is so large we call it infinite. The past is gone, disintigrated behind us, the future is not yet formed, all we have, at least in this dimmension of reality, is NOW!!!

So when you ask questions of OP, or anyone for that matter, about the future, you are only getting information about plans and schemes, which can be valuable information, but it's only that, information...

Because until it happens, it's all just the best laid plans of mice and men.

And always remember, if you want to hear God laugh, just tell him your plans...

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I heard OP say the Vatican was the seat of evil in the world...I suppose that's true in a way. But ask yourselves why the Pope is evil?!?!? Because he's trying to bend the world to his will? Because he's trying to keep a secret knowledge from the masses of people? If this is the case, then what makes him different from OP and the Illuminati?!?!?

You see ladies and gentlemen, there is evil in the hearts of all men, and there is good there as well. We are children of Jesus, and children of Lucifer, and who's to say the spirit of the Christ and Lucifer aren't one and the same, just two sides of the same coin, the coin that is the duality of man.

People in the Illuminati belittle those who seek leadership, they are not alpha's after all, and they show weakness by needing to be led. They have a sickness, an inner doubt that makes them too unsure of themselves to lead, but I would argue that the those who seek to lead, who seek dominion over others have the same self doubt and sickness of the soul that those they consider sheep have. They are corruptable, and self-serving. They tell themselves they are filling the need of those who need leadership, and if they have to kill or imprison a few, it's for the good of the many. But they are not there to help humanity, they are there to enrich themselves and to constantly reinflate their ego's.

Try leading yourself, and only yourself, even if other's ask you to lead them, resist this urge, resist telling yourself that you are good enough, that it is for the best. Only by defeating our own ego can you truely be reborn, only in rebirth can we truely be free. Resist the urge to be what others want you to be, or to try to be the lies we tell ourselves in the dark reaches of our soul, this way madness lies...

Last Edited by Saddletramp on 10/05/2012 12:38 AM

Well said.

You're funny, i like you. Just wanted to say that as for the reptilians, there are entities behind the actions of the reptilians. They are also being used and it was easy because many of them are aggressive and rather enjoy power, and so power was promised to them. The entities that use them and us do not have bodies or the ability to create anymore, they are like parasites now because they have been away from the god source for way too long and that kind of degeneration happens after too long of a separation from source. Ok, carry on :)

Sorry for the double post, my Internet gets draggy, and I think I didn't click the post or update button, then I end up posting twice, my apologies...

Actually OP I've enjoyed the thread, even if I've seemed argumentative. You'll just have to forgive me for this, I don't doubt your information so much as I have my doubts about your motives, this comes from personal experience with some of the groups you have eluded too in this thread.

My observations of these so called "secret" societies, that aren't really that secret anymore, is that they have a deep need to feel superior to the masses, they have ego's that are in constant need of feeding, and isn't that a weakness in and of itself?!?!?

I rather enjoy OYE's posts.

You always have your GLP Uncle...

yay!



(oh, man, what discourses tonight! between the excellent root thread, and, your running discussion with DPS, my brian is multi-tasking!)

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Here,

Let me squeeze you off a big cracker full of Ass-Cheese.

Enjoy...

"Chaos magic is the meta-belief that simply believing something makes it true."

I don't worry about the first cause or the final effect.

Just when you think you've figured it out, it changes.

It really does just come down to perspective.
Imagination and being unique is important.

So is talent.

What was called magic was then called occult which turned into psychic phenomena and is currently being labeled para-psychology.

Next!

If nothing is true than this falsity can be called the truth.

Who's got a cigarette?

Big deal.

Who can't?

Says who?

Satan digs young chix and frozen mango-pineapple treats.

If there wasn't no Satan there wouldn't be any porn.

Upon this we shall meditate.

Or not...whatever.

Look, man do you have a cigarette or not?

See, I knew my head was whirling! I meant THE ROOT POST of this thread.

Maybe I'm getting dehydrated.


I can only imagine what the ROOT THREAD might be. Hmmm. This thread IS pretty much 'root.' Maybe my mistake was just a new door to open...

but, after my brian rests a while.

I just rolled an extra one, but, I don't how to project it your way. i'll have to smoke it for you. try to 'feel' it.

you have kids?

One secret of the whole 2012 issue and mayan calendar that virtually no one outside the secret orders know of is the fact that the "end date" of 21st December 2012 is fabricated.

I am not saying that the mayan calendar is fabricated, but OUR calendar is. The Gregorian calendar we currently use, has been adjusted in ACCORDANCE with the Mayan Calendar, to make the "end date" more magically significant. It is a numerologically important date, 21/12/2012 - or simply 12/21/12. It is NOT by chance that the date is what it is.

A few hundred years back, the Julian calendar was the one in use. Without getting into too much technicalities on calendars and the systems they are based on, let me just say that Colombus had a finger in the game when it comes to how our modern Calendar is laid out.

Colombus himself was a member of secret orders, and he was sent out on a mission to Americas, he and his men were going here to retrieve information, and get a copy of the Mayan calendar, as well as destroy the cultures already existing here in Americas. He worked for the Vatican, the most evil institution on Earth, the most Occult group on Earth. He himself was a magician and occultist, and he rode his ship with the banner of Skull & Bones.

The banner / flag, with the skull & bones, probably rings some bells for some of you. This is also why "pirates" are falsely represented with Skull & Bones flags in movies and media. That flag and symbol have nothing to do with "pirates" as portraied, but it has to do with the Secret Order that Colombus and his men were working for.

So, he went over with his men to Americas, and they pretty much succeeded in their mission. They also made sure to time their mission into ancient beliefs and prophecies they already knew about, of the local natives of the Americas. Mainly the Mayans, Incas & Aztecs of those regions more south. This way, they got a stronger hand and more easily could gain the control and power and start the extermination of the more spiritually advanced and free society that lived there, and replace it with their own, part of a greater agenda that has continued on into today.

Americas turned into the power seat of occult rituals and population control. Overseen and steered by the Vatican in Rome, secretly.

THus these men gathered the information and artifacts they were seeking, brought a mayan calendar back with them, already had it decihpered by the living captured mayans of the time, and created the new Gregorian calendar based upon the Mayan calendar so that they could create a more numerologically important date representing the Chance of Cycles date of the Mayan calendar. This thus turned into 21st december 2012. 12/21/12 in the english/US language style.

Being astrologers and occultists , they knew about the coming cosmic cycles, just as the mayans did, the different galactical activities, and comsic events. These were and still are very important for such occultists. They created many significantly numerological dates coinciding with different astrological events.

One important one, that is worth mentioning, is one taking direct connection with 911 and the World Trade Center attack.

911 was really an incredibly large occult sacrificial ritual. The 2 towers were set up as a representation of the tarot card called, simply, "The Tower". Two towers were used, which are of kabbalistic-masonic importance (2 pillars of masonry) - it represents the number 11 itself as well with its obvious 2 straight lines next to each other. The event that took place was a strikingly perfect living representation of the "Tower" tarot card, which exist in different variations but with the same theme of a tower destroyed by impact at tow, fire shooting out, people falling down. Have a look at the traditional Tower tarot card here: [link to images.google.com]

The number 11 is important in many ways, and connects to a lot. In itself it is also reduced to 2 (1+1) numerological, again another representation within its own design of the 2 pillars mentioned, but 11 also represents the Tree of Life on the Kabbala, and the 11 "spheres" or Sephiras. Normally there are 10 such spheres illustrated in kabbalistic texts, but there is a 11th hidden/secret sphere worth knowing about. Shortly said, in kabbalistic terms, the number 11 is a reference to God, that which is above all of Creation, and thus they are directly working against that aspect of Existence. They are putting themselves in the power of God, as above All and Everyone. Here is an illustration of the kabbalistic Tree of Life with its 11 mentioned "spheres" called Sephiras [link to upload.wikimedia.org]

911 was an event planned many decades before, and had already been put into plans back in the days close to Colombus. A previous high initiate and grand-master of a black-magic secret order, Aleister Crowley, who also was involved with the governments and the Illuminati system, had been directly involved in the 911 staged attack and planning of it, as well as getting into circulation a talisman to be charged with as much energy as possible. You know this talisman as the dollar bill. The main purpose of the dollar bill is to put their black magic out into the masses, you all give your energy to the black magic satanic rituals when handling the dollar bill talisman. Just have a quick look at it to see all the occult symbolism. Further on, the 911 event as it was planned was also secretly put into the dollar bill to strengthen the talisman effect, it was put there in a coded magical system that one would have to know how to decode to be able to see. The way to decode this is actually explained by Aleister Crowley himself, in one of his earlier books called "Liber Al" where the type of attack to be staged also is given, and who to blame for it. Here is the quote refering to both the attack and how to see the attack in the dollar bill talisman:

"III:52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.
III:71. Hail! ye twin warriors about the pillars of the world! for your time is nigh at hand.
III:72. I am the Lord of the Double Wand of Power; the wand of the Force of Coph Nia–but my left hand is empty, for I have crushed an Universe; & nought remains.
III:73. Paste the sheets from right to left and from top to bottom: then behold!"

In that quote above he explained both what was going to happen, and how it could be seen in the dollar bill by folding them (the "sheets" being the dollar bills) in a simple and identical way. Twin warriors and pillars , a very clear and straight forward reference to the WTC towers. And the flapping of wings in the face of mohammed is another clear reference to something flying would be included (airplanes) and that the followers of Mohammed would be blamed for it (meaning people of Islam religion and that's exactly what happened).

The book itself was released in 1904, and 911 had been planned since before then, it was a very long and slow-acting plan due to the great importance of various other events, such as astrological matters, and how they had to "connect" the ritualistic parts to such.

Have a look at the hidden 911 attack illustrated in the dollar bills here in this video:

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One of the close friends of Aleister Crowley, who were also a Grand Master for some time of the same order, was a man called Jack Parsons - he is one of the main founders of NASA - and NASA itself is a very occult organization and has nothing to do with what people think. Aleister Crowley and Jack Parson worked on creating a "moon child" together, a demonic entity to incarnate in a human body. It is too much to go into extreme details about in this specific subject on the 911 and Mayan calendar, read about both Aleister Crowley here [link to en.wikipedia.org] and Jack Parsons here [link to en.wikipedia.org] and both those men were involved with Ron Hubbard, the creator of Scientology

Going back to the Calendar and occult plans and the astrological importance, another key element connecting to both the Mayan calendar and the 911 event is another astrological incident that took place exactly 10 years after - on September 11, 2011 (9/11/11 - again a highly significant number numerologically).

This was the comet Elenin - a comet that had great deals of conspiracy theories about it when it was on its way, yet none had it right. Elenin is a fake name, magically designed to reflect the occult number of the date it is connected to. Once you know, it is obvious. Elenin = ElevenNine. It consist of the 3 first letters of the 2 words Eleven and Nine. It also goes backwards, making it Nine Eleven. In europe, one would write September 11th as 11/9 , and in the US it is of course 9/11 - so the way this magical anagram has been designed covers both systems used to show a date, forwards and backwards.

The comet was named by the date it had its most significant day of its journey. On exactly 9/11 , 2011, it reached its most distant point in its orbit path, and started returning back to where it came from. The purpose of the 911 ritual in 2001 was to charge the comet with negatively filled black magic energy and bring it back with it on its return. Exactly what this energy would do, and where it goes, I am not privileged to know at this moment. But it certainly is nothing good.

This comet also was known about way back at the time of Colombus, and they altered the Calendar to work directly in accordance with dates reflecting that comet, and thus create the 911 ritual to be executed 10 years before the arrival and return of the comet. Probably the path of the comet has a orbit path that covers a part of the mayan calendar, if not the mayan calendar in its whole is based upon the path of the orbit, as far as time goes, but that is not something I personally am deeply familar with.

So the above gives you an idea of how long we, as secret orders, have been working on long termed plans - I personally do NOT support the mentioned, nor are they part of MY group, the ones in charge of such terrible actions are true black magicians and outcasts that my orders do not support.

And many plans are in place for 2012 - but there are not only negative ones, in fact, the positive ones are starting to tip the balance over in their favor, and to truly answer the question given me above when starting to write this reply, I can say that I see POSITIVE times ahead, although we will have negative events first coming down upon us, yet that which will seem evil and bad for some time, will prove to be for the greater good in the end as we move into 2013 and beyond. It will be a time for changes in the system, fall of old powers, and the introduction of new, benevolent energies and positive changes.

To expand a bit on Astrolgoy, since that also was a question above, Astrology is the understanding of how the different planets and cosmic bodies affect us and dictate our lives. Further on, it is about understanding how you can adjust yourself inwardly in accordance with those, to bring yourself in balance with the energies , and take CHARGE of your own life, and escape the "prewritten" path that most people live by.

The planets, moons, etc are all forms of entities, they contain Consciousnesses that affects us, in fact, infiltrates us, they are aspects of the Archetypes, and the inner beings I mentioned earlier on some other page. It is crucial to understand those energies and how they affect us, and what parts within us represents those external objects so we can adjust and change towards what we really want to be.

You can live in ignorance towards such energies, and have your life decided by those energies and dictated by those around you who understand those energies, or you can live in understanding and become the master of those energies, and in charge of your own life and destiny.

Ha! this is my daily life... business phone in one hand, cell in another, text arrives asking for info, another call is trying to come through, someone in the room is yapping--as if they can't see i'm a bit tied up at the moment--then, of course, the doorbell rings for a delivery. At that moment in time you'd think it was the center of the Universe.

It's pandemonium!!!! (Wow, I just saw the word demon centered in that word.)

Now, when you say 'six different conversations' you are talking about two bodies that include their individual entities, as OP taught me in this thread, correct?

One secret of the whole 2012 issue and mayan calendar that virtually no one outside the secret orders know of is the fact that the "end date" of 21st December 2012 is fabricated.

oh really? I thought the whole world was on to that one.

I saw the future today. I saw something wonderful I had been worried about.

Sorry for being very brief in my answer, but I will have to answer people quicker and more generally since this thread is filling up page after page quicker than I am able to reply.

Your souls are dormant in the outer Sphere, outside of all you consider "real". Far away from Earth, way beyond what you think of as Heaven. They have become dormant since the consciousness that belongs to them have been shifted into physical incarnations and split around in different lesser levels of existence, in many forms (including parallel / alternate universes and selves etc)

that..I cannot say, but now the answers to my many hidden questions are revealed directly to me right out of the blue.

I have to be brief with you as well due to the amounts of questions and limited time..

Homosexuality, it is accepted in some of the orders I am involved with, and denied in others. I am not part of only one order but several, so it depends on the individual ones.

Homosexuality is also said to have a different effect on spiritual energies, and some occultists and spiritual people are homosexual because of that, so they do not have to surpress their sexuality completely. Think back on the exercise I mentioned earlier using sexual energy. It is said they can still have homosexual sex without loosing that stored energy, unlike heterosexuals. One could say that we were created in a way that drains our spiritual energy simply by being alive and being in love, and having sexual (hetero) relationships.

This is also the reason there is so much pedophilia and homosexuality in different religious institutions, such as the Church.

Homo-erotic rituals are also part of many practices, specially the more black-magical themed ones, Ordo Templi Orientis and the darker sides of Illuminati-deflectors, Vatican, etc. Look at some of the perversities of previously mentioned Aleister Crowley and his kin for some examples.

The reason for the difference in magical/ spiritual energies between heterosexuals and homosexuals are simply because of the polarities of the sexes, where males have the same polarities, and females the opposite (or different, think of the polarities of either electric current or magnets).

Now to the REASON for homosexual feelings existing, this is split into several different ones. The above explains the homosexual magical practices, it does not necessarily include homosexual love, or homosexual relationships, simply homosexual sex activity both for the sake of sex, and for stronger magical purposes.

Actual homosexual love-relations are often due to the homosexual person having been a female in another previous life, and a man in the current, and still being attached to the past life appearance. This homosexual love can be strengthened when 2 people have lived together previously, in a past life, such as Man and Wife, and are now incarnated back into this life, both as Men. Since they have already been heterosexual lovers before, this is programmed in the subconscious, and their love remains into this life even if they are both men this time around.

Sex in general is quite a common element of magical practices in many secret orders, and magical practices in general. I already mentioned one such practice you can do own your own previously, although it consists of NOT having sex, for inner alchemy, you can also perform outer alchemy THROUGH sexual activities in a magical setting. Maybe I will detail this more later on.