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A wireless company profiting from the so-called “Obama phone” giveaway program is run by a prominent Democratic donor whose wife has raised more than $1.5 million for the president since 2007.

Last week a video of a President Barack Obama supporter in Ohio claiming to have received a free phone from the president—“[Obama] gave us a phone!”—went viral, prompting media outlets to investigate.

Since 1985 the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has operated a program called Lifeline, originally designed to provide free landline phone service for low-income individuals. The government subsidizes telecommunications firms providing the service, and those firms also pass on costs to customers via the “Universal Service Charge” on their phone bills.

The program expanded to include cell phones in 2008. That change has rapidly increased the cost to the federal government—$1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008. The number of Lifeline beneficiaries rose from 7.1 million to 12.5 million during the same period; cell phones account for roughly half of that 12.5 million.

One of the major providers of the free cell phones—3.8 million subscribers as of late 2011—is Miami-based TracFone Wireless, a company whose president and CEO, Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign.

Pollak’s wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama who has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s reelection effort that year.

Visitor logs indicate that Frederick and Abigail Pollak have visited the White House seven times.

[link to freebeacon.com]
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Yeah and I can hear that viral phone lady now after the debate saying, "Oh, no. Will we have to give back our obammy phone?" Classic... banana2
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You better give yours back SG....
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You better give yours back SG....
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No, Obama gave it to me fair and square!!
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SURPRISE!!!

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SURPRISE!!!

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yes
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A wireless company profiting from the so-called “Obama phone” giveaway program is run by a prominent Democratic donor whose wife has raised more than $1.5 million for the president since 2007.

Last week a video of a President Barack Obama supporter in Ohio claiming to have received a free phone from the president—“[Obama] gave us a phone!”—went viral, prompting media outlets to investigate.

Since 1985 the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has operated a program called Lifeline, originally designed to provide free landline phone service for low-income individuals. The government subsidizes telecommunications firms providing the service, and those firms also pass on costs to customers via the “Universal Service Charge” on their phone bills.

The program expanded to include cell phones in 2008. That change has rapidly increased the cost to the federal government—$1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008. The number of Lifeline beneficiaries rose from 7.1 million to 12.5 million during the same period; cell phones account for roughly half of that 12.5 million.

One of the major providers of the free cell phones—3.8 million subscribers as of late 2011—is Miami-based TracFone Wireless, a company whose president and CEO, Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign.

Pollak’s wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama who has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s reelection effort that year.

Visitor logs indicate that Frederick and Abigail Pollak have visited the White House seven times.

[link to freebeacon.com]
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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
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How ironic. In theory and fact, the Obamaphone lady owes her allegiance to Bush and the Republican party.

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Let me get this straight, the same guy who did a stimulus package that only went to unions, solyndra debacle that was 550 mil give away to his buddies, the GM bail out which was basically auto workers union. Also has the seiu pay "volunteers" to protest each Romney event, is now giving other sweet heart deals to his cronies? Say it ain't so.
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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
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How ironic. In theory and fact, the Obamaphone lady owes her allegiance to Bush and the Republican party.
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And the Obama haters owe their hate to Bush and the Republican Party also, right?
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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
 Quoting: Sickandtired 17058124


How ironic. In theory and fact, the Obamaphone lady owes her allegiance to Bush and the Republican party.
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


And the Obama haters owe their hate to Bush and the Republican Party also, right?
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Naw, Obama has had 4 years of massive failures to hate on.
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One more thing, in 2008 the House and Senate were both held by the Dems. That is why the program started growing then. Weird, it is also the same time the economy went to hell. But, blame GW. It is easier that way.
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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
 Quoting: Sickandtired 17058124


How ironic. In theory and fact, the Obamaphone lady owes her allegiance to Bush and the Republican party.
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


And the Obama haters owe their hate to Bush and the Republican Party also, right?
 Quoting: Sickandtired 17058124


Obama disgusts me for his purposeful actions in diminishing this nation at his communist ideals and bidding of his boss. Not to mention, his lack of interest in anything else, including doing his job.

Bush disgusts me for similar reasons, except he's no socialist. He's an imperialist and luciferian traitor to God and the people he was "elected" to serve.
You m-m-m-muh-make me HAAA-PEEE.

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Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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One more thing, in 2008 the House and Senate were both held by the Dems. That is why the program started growing then. Weird, it is also the same time the economy went to hell. But, blame GW. It is easier that way.
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boom



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Let me get this straight, the same guy who did a stimulus package that only went to unions, solyndra debacle that was 550 mil give away to his buddies, the GM bail out which was basically auto workers union. Also has the seiu pay "volunteers" to protest each Romney event, is now giving other sweet heart deals to his cronies? Say it ain't so.
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Don't forget all the Acorn hires which counted in the job growth!

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One more thing, in 2008 the House and Senate were both held by the Dems. That is why the program started growing then. Weird, it is also the same time the economy went to hell. But, blame GW. It is easier that way.
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One more thing, in 2008 the House and Senate were both held by the Dems. That is why the program started growing then. Weird, it is also the same time the economy went to hell. But, blame GW. It is easier that way.
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boom



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+ 1 for truth.
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Let me get this straight, the same guy who did a stimulus package that only went to unions, solyndra debacle that was 550 mil give away to his buddies, the GM bail out which was basically auto workers union. Also has the seiu pay "volunteers" to protest each Romney event, is now giving other sweet heart deals to his cronies? Say it ain't so.
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clappa
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Romney loves Red China's money, the problem is...they know he does! There's more to come on this one folks..

[link to www.businessinsider.com]


What are these companies? What’s their relationship to the Communist leadership in Beijing? And would holding these businesses really conflict with the role of being the American president?

CNOOC

The China National Offshore Oil Corporation has been no stranger to controversy. As a state-owned enterprise, its repeated attempts to acquire energy companies in North America has raised hackles and fears in Washington.

In 2005, the company's $18.5 billion offer to take over Unocal — known for its iconic orange “76” logo at gas stations across California — was tanked when Congress made clear it would block the deal over national-security concerns.

CNOOC further alienated US lawmakers when it struck a $16 billion deal with Iran in 2006.

Now, CNOOC may once again become an issue, as its proposed $15.1 billion acquisition of Canadian oil-sands company Nexen will also be reviewed by the US. (Nexen owns resources in the Gulf of Mexico.)

Why all the fuss about CNOOC? After all, state-owned oil companies are hardly unusual — think Norway’s Statoil, Russia’s Rosneft.

The difference here is perhaps best captured in a quote from Wang Yilin, CNOOC’s Chairman, from last May: “Large-scale deep-water rigs are our mobile national territory and a strategic weapon,” he told an audience in Beijing.


Read more: [link to www.globalpost.com]
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Just another example of corporate welfare.

Just like all the food stamp money that goes to banks for their transaction fees, and to agra-biz for their products.

You didn't realize that the Obamaphone lady is simply a conduit for money to flow from the middle class through the government to corporations?

The corporations that benefit from this are the ones lobbying congress, not the Obamaphone lady.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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Romney loves Red China's money, the problem is...they know he does! There's more to come on this one folks..

[link to www.businessinsider.com]


What are these companies? What’s their relationship to the Communist leadership in Beijing? And would holding these businesses really conflict with the role of being the American president?

CNOOC

The China National Offshore Oil Corporation has been no stranger to controversy. As a state-owned enterprise, its repeated attempts to acquire energy companies in North America has raised hackles and fears in Washington.

In 2005, the company's $18.5 billion offer to take over Unocal — known for its iconic orange “76” logo at gas stations across California — was tanked when Congress made clear it would block the deal over national-security concerns.

CNOOC further alienated US lawmakers when it struck a $16 billion deal with Iran in 2006.

Now, CNOOC may once again become an issue, as its proposed $15.1 billion acquisition of Canadian oil-sands company Nexen will also be reviewed by the US. (Nexen owns resources in the Gulf of Mexico.)

Why all the fuss about CNOOC? After all, state-owned oil companies are hardly unusual — think Norway’s Statoil, Russia’s Rosneft.

The difference here is perhaps best captured in a quote from Wang Yilin, CNOOC’s Chairman, from last May: “Large-scale deep-water rigs are our mobile national territory and a strategic weapon,” he told an audience in Beijing.


Read more: [link to www.globalpost.com]
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What does all that have to do with this thread?
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A wireless company profiting from the so-called “Obama phone” giveaway program is run by a prominent Democratic donor whose wife has raised more than $1.5 million for the president since 2007.

Last week a video of a President Barack Obama supporter in Ohio claiming to have received a free phone from the president—“[Obama] gave us a phone!”—went viral, prompting media outlets to investigate.

Since 1985 the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has operated a program called Lifeline, originally designed to provide free landline phone service for low-income individuals. The government subsidizes telecommunications firms providing the service, and those firms also pass on costs to customers via the “Universal Service Charge” on their phone bills.

The program expanded to include cell phones in 2008. That change has rapidly increased the cost to the federal government—$1.6 billion in 2011, up from $772 million in 2008. The number of Lifeline beneficiaries rose from 7.1 million to 12.5 million during the same period; cell phones account for roughly half of that 12.5 million.

One of the major providers of the free cell phones—3.8 million subscribers as of late 2011—is Miami-based TracFone Wireless, a company whose president and CEO, Frederick “F.J.” Pollak, has donated at least $156,500 to Democratic candidates and committees this cycle, including at least $50,000 to the Obama campaign.

Pollak’s wife, Abigail, is a campaign bundler for Obama who has raised more than $632,000 for the president this cycle, and more than $1.5 million since 2007. She has personally contributed more than $200,000 to Democratic candidates and committees since 2008.

The Pollaks hosted Obama at their Miami Beach home in June for a $40,000-per-plate fundraising dinner, and hosted a similar event with Michelle Obama in July 2008. The couple personally donated a combined $66,200 to Obama’s reelection effort that year.

Visitor logs indicate that Frederick and Abigail Pollak have visited the White House seven times.

[link to freebeacon.com]
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
 Quoting: Sickandtired 17058124


It's NOT Obama's program, Clinton expanded and changed it to include Wireless, it was originally a landline program many many moons ago!

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Romney loves Red China's money, the problem is...they know he does! There's more to come on this one folks..

[link to www.businessinsider.com]


What are these companies? What’s their relationship to the Communist leadership in Beijing? And would holding these businesses really conflict with the role of being the American president?

CNOOC

The China National Offshore Oil Corporation has been no stranger to controversy. As a state-owned enterprise, its repeated attempts to acquire energy companies in North America has raised hackles and fears in Washington.

In 2005, the company's $18.5 billion offer to take over Unocal — known for its iconic orange “76” logo at gas stations across California — was tanked when Congress made clear it would block the deal over national-security concerns.

CNOOC further alienated US lawmakers when it struck a $16 billion deal with Iran in 2006.

Now, CNOOC may once again become an issue, as its proposed $15.1 billion acquisition of Canadian oil-sands company Nexen will also be reviewed by the US. (Nexen owns resources in the Gulf of Mexico.)

Why all the fuss about CNOOC? After all, state-owned oil companies are hardly unusual — think Norway’s Statoil, Russia’s Rosneft.

The difference here is perhaps best captured in a quote from Wang Yilin, CNOOC’s Chairman, from last May: “Large-scale deep-water rigs are our mobile national territory and a strategic weapon,” he told an audience in Beijing.


Read more: [link to www.globalpost.com]
 Quoting: brent pops


What does all that have to do with this thread?
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Nothing whatsoever. Obama loves China's money too, he just can't stop borrowing it.
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The government doesn't institute programs that DOESN'T profit the handlers in one way or another. What good is working for a corporation if you can't make them a profit ?
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Universal Service Fee Request USF
Ex Parte Meeting
The goals of Universal Service, as mandated by the 1996 Act, are to:

Promote the availability of quality services at just, reasonable and affordable rates for all consumers
Increase nationwide access to advanced telecommunications services
Advance the availability of such services to all consumers, including those in low income, rural, insular, and high cost areas at rates that are reasonably comparable to those charged in urban areas
Increase access to telecommunications and advanced services in schools, libraries and rural health care facilities
Provide equitable and non-discriminatory contributions from all providers of telecommunications services to the fund supporting universal service programs
The Commission established four programs to fulfill these goals. They are:

The High-Cost program
The Lifeline (low income) program, including initiatives for Native Americans
The Schools and Libraries program, commonly referred to as E-rate
The Rural Health Care program

We all pay a service fee on our landline or Cell bill to fund these above programs!
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check it out LOL!

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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
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How ironic. In theory and fact, the Obamaphone lady owes her allegiance to Bush and the Republican party.
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


my thoughts exactly.Obama was not president when did phone company started.I was in high school and had this phone because of the free lunch i was able to get the phone but after that no more.It's quite distasteful how the media has just run away with this story on Obama Phone when its really Bush Phone.
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Romney loves Red China's money, the problem is...they know he does! There's more to come on this one folks..

[link to www.businessinsider.com]


What are these companies? What’s their relationship to the Communist leadership in Beijing? And would holding these businesses really conflict with the role of being the American president?

CNOOC

The China National Offshore Oil Corporation has been no stranger to controversy. As a state-owned enterprise, its repeated attempts to acquire energy companies in North America has raised hackles and fears in Washington.

In 2005, the company's $18.5 billion offer to take over Unocal — known for its iconic orange “76” logo at gas stations across California — was tanked when Congress made clear it would block the deal over national-security concerns.

CNOOC further alienated US lawmakers when it struck a $16 billion deal with Iran in 2006.

Now, CNOOC may once again become an issue, as its proposed $15.1 billion acquisition of Canadian oil-sands company Nexen will also be reviewed by the US. (Nexen owns resources in the Gulf of Mexico.)

Why all the fuss about CNOOC? After all, state-owned oil companies are hardly unusual — think Norway’s Statoil, Russia’s Rosneft.

The difference here is perhaps best captured in a quote from Wang Yilin, CNOOC’s Chairman, from last May: “Large-scale deep-water rigs are our mobile national territory and a strategic weapon,” he told an audience in Beijing.


Read more: [link to www.globalpost.com]
 Quoting: brent pops


What does all that have to do with this thread?
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The Communist Party in China is a major donor to ROMNEY PERSONALLY.

Romney will SALE OUT THE U.S. FOR A NICKLE.
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Interesting, since the article states that cell phones were in included in 2008 and Obama DID NOT TAKE OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 2009.
 Quoting: Sickandtired 17058124


How ironic. In theory and fact, the Obamaphone lady owes her allegiance to Bush and the Republican party.
 Quoting: Herman The Kid


my thoughts exactly.Obama was not president when did phone company started.I was in high school and had this phone because of the free lunch i was able to get the phone but after that no more.It's quite distasteful how the media has just run away with this story on Obama Phone when its really Bush Phone.
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I don't like Obama as much as anyone but this particular program is NOT his baby!!!

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Romney loves Red China's money, the problem is...they know he does! There's more to come on this one folks..

[link to www.businessinsider.com]


What are these companies? What’s their relationship to the Communist leadership in Beijing? And would holding these businesses really conflict with the role of being the American president?

CNOOC

The China National Offshore Oil Corporation has been no stranger to controversy. As a state-owned enterprise, its repeated attempts to acquire energy companies in North America has raised hackles and fears in Washington.

In 2005, the company's $18.5 billion offer to take over Unocal — known for its iconic orange “76” logo at gas stations across California — was tanked when Congress made clear it would block the deal over national-security concerns.

CNOOC further alienated US lawmakers when it struck a $16 billion deal with Iran in 2006.

Now, CNOOC may once again become an issue, as its proposed $15.1 billion acquisition of Canadian oil-sands company Nexen will also be reviewed by the US. (Nexen owns resources in the Gulf of Mexico.)

Why all the fuss about CNOOC? After all, state-owned oil companies are hardly unusual — think Norway’s Statoil, Russia’s Rosneft.

The difference here is perhaps best captured in a quote from Wang Yilin, CNOOC’s Chairman, from last May: “Large-scale deep-water rigs are our mobile national territory and a strategic weapon,” he told an audience in Beijing.


Read more: [link to www.globalpost.com]
 Quoting: brent pops


What does all that have to do with this thread?
 Quoting: *Heisenberg*


Nothing whatsoever. Obama loves China's money too, he just can't stop borrowing it.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant


It's like when I start a political thread and some tard pops in talking about Nibiru..
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+1 for truth op. Something the media doesn't say. Screw them!





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