Unholy Communion: The Spiritual Nature of Abduction Reports

Yea, I bet it's aliens........or something similar. Who knows tho, could be something else. Just speculation on my part, but it's interesting.

that sounds so intelligent.

well, as a futurist (one who takes revelation literally as a future event) the locusts seem to be demons, but it is curious that they use an arab symbolism for them. check out what this guy thinks. this is his analysis:

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I'm sorry but what you wrote in bold makes no sense to me the way that you worded it.

Additionally, you apparently missed the context of my post. No where have you ever seen me state that demons do not exist. My post was to illustrate how 'demons' have been misattributed to certain subject matters that are NOT demonic in nature. I've seen all of those subject matters that I listed characterized as 'satanic' and 'demonic' in nature, and they absolutely are not! The people making these claims demonstrate very little knowledge of these subject matters that they speak of and their willingness to rush to judgement and declare something 'evil' has prevented them from seeking an actual understanding of the true nature of these experiences.

Sleep paralysis is the most glaring example. A person posts about his/her sleep paralysis episode and gets ignorantly informed that he/she is under 'demonic attack' and must invoke the name of Jesus Christ to combat it! Now tell me, who is spreading fear under these circumstances? When you tell someone who is experiencing a well documented sleep-related episode that they have 'demons' attacking them, it's spreading fear out of ignorance! Then there are people informing those who are experiencing their kundalini energy rising on a path to their spiritual awakening that they are being attacked by 'demonic forces'. More fear-mongering.

I'm sick of the bullshit spread through ignorance. Demons/Low Frequency entities can exist, I don't dispute that. But falsely attributing them to experiences that are not demonic in nature, it's causing unnecessary harm and planting fears in people, which isn't fair nor responsible.

Lastly, if demons are not to be feared, as you so vehemently fixated on, then why must Jesus Christ be called upon for protection??? Why must people be protected from something you state they should not fear? It would seem to me that if you have no fear of them then you would have no need for protection from an external force/source. A previous poster in this thread made an intelligent comment about conscious energy & intent and it was ignored - I can't say that I'm surprised.

well, first let's look at what it means to "fear."

the word fear comes from the latin root phobos.

phobos literally means "to run"

when we are instructed not to fear, it means "do not run"

it doesn't mean, do not shake, do not tremble, do not freak. it means do not run.

Jesus protects us from demonic harm. There is no need to fear because we simply go to the One with authority.

we run to Christ.

you can't see what i am trying to explain. your heart has been hardened. i don't mean that as an insult. the philosophers of old spent centuries trying to explain the great mysteries from man as the center. they could not.

conscious energy and intent? you bet. but, it is from specific source(s).

No my heart has not been hardened thank you very much. I didn't know disagreeing with you on this subject matter would lead to such a baseless accusation. If you knew me you would never entertain such a thought. Thanks for rushing to judgement. You don't see me on the forum participating in any of the hate-filled threads, nor do you see me spreading fear out of ignorance or launching nasty personal attacks against people. But I have a hardened heart because I don't agree with you and accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior? I see.

Why did you neglect the portion of my post which explained the context of my original post and how you completely missed the point? It was about misattributing natural experiences to 'causes' that have nothing to do with them and spreading fear in the process to unsuspecting individuals who would have never made such conclusions! Where is the misunderstanding in this???

Lastly, how are you going to tell me that 'fear' means 'to run', then claim that you instructed NOT to run, but that you go running (your own words) to Christ? I'm sorry but you contradicted yourself. If you are running then by your own definition you are fearing, and that is why you feel you need 'protection' from that which you claim you do not fear.

Please, no more bullshit. You misrepresented my post and refused to address the actual context of it even after it was clarified for you. Then you felt the need to challenge my character which you are uninformed about.

Are you having a rough day? If you are, I'll understand.

Don't worry, I don't hold grudges against people.

what i meant is, your heart is hardened from the word of God. you won't have it. you deny it, dismiss it, call it bullshit.

you refuse it, and then insult and challenge everyone who doesn't.

your heart is hardened toward it and anyone who accepts it, no matter what is brought to the table.

i didn't say you are a cold hearted mofo.

but, it's interesting that you read it that way.


and, no, i'm having a great day.
personally, your grudges are none of my friggin business. LOL.

sorry, pal. i got way way way more stuff to think about than you.

every single issue you addressed was covered, but since your heart is hard, you cannot conceive of it, comprehend it, receive it.

look, the word of God has been here for thousands upon thousands of years. you pose the idea that every single scholar, institution, student, believer, etc etc, for thousands of years is a complete fool and has fallen into some grand deception.

that's a bold, arrogant position.

and, it's totally wrong.

the "we run to Christ" was a play on words, a metaphor. i had hoped it would help you comprehend.

but, i guess not.

Ahh, the more i read about this, the more i feel lost.

Sleep paralysis is most certainly a very frightening experience, i never called out to Jesus during the times i endured this piece of hell (forgive the pun) so i don't know.

I have not opened my third eye yet that i know of, nor have i seen my spirit guide, but since my cat found me, having him around seems to of curtailed any incursion into the world of dream-type paralysis. Or maybe he has nothing to do with it.

The pre arranged abductions was done by aliens who had the agreement of governments in exchange for technology. Those aliens are no longer in our reality and abductions only take place where they are requested which means what you think about comes to you. Better to think about more positive things.

I'm sorry you're so close-minded that you believe everyone has to accept the biblical depiction of 'God', which was authored/edited/censored/manipulated multiple times by MAN.

I've told you numerous times that I believe in a 'Creator' and you have the nerve to tell me that my heart is 'hardened to God'?

Real telling Salt. No one owns a copyright on the conceptualization of 'God'. One day you'll arrive at this realization.

i am far from closed minded. my journey has included many many perspectives, teachings, writings...

i am giving you my perspective. if i remember right, you were asking me questions, and here are my answers.

you have closed yourself of to biblical perspectives. you have said it yourself.

the word of God is intact. sorry to disappoint you, but it remains intact. there are no holes. there are no manipulations.

if you don't like my answers, stop asking me questions.

Lisa, you were asking DGN about WT's treatment of subject. This is a '96 AWAKE, with your same viewpoint, I think. I was writing to you on that thread a couple of days ago mentioning Project ____ ____ and was baned as I hit post. I never expected to be unbaned this fast, I must say! There are longer articles too, but with same basic idea. The jw.org online library seems to only have articles from 2000 til now, so far.

The Bible’s Viewpoint
UFO’s—Messengers From God?
AS THE 20th century winds down and conditions on earth steadily deteriorate, belief in unidentified flying objects (UFO’s) and their passengers, extraterrestrial beings, continues to spread. Are UFO’s just fiction, a deception, a hoax perpetrated by people who like to laugh at the public’s gullibility?
Those who claim to have seen UFO’s or their extraterrestrial passengers include seemingly normal, trustworthy people; in fact, those who believe in these visitors from other planets include well-educated professors and scientists. They are convinced that extraterrestrials are observing humans and, at times, communicating with them. So-called extraterrestrial support groups are available to assist people who claim they have made contact with space visitors.
Alien Survival Plan
In Aliens Among Us, Ruth Montgomery interviews some of a growing number of people who are convinced that they are extraterrestrial visitors residing in human bodies. Some of these who claim to be humanized extraterrestrials foretell that in the year 2000, there will be “a cosmic event that the hierarchies of angels and masters have been preparing for.” Some people believe that extraterrestrials are using UFO’s to collect and preserve plant and animal specimens or that UFO’s will be used as rescue ships to transfer millions of humans away from impending desolation of the earth. After the great destruction, humans are to be returned to begin “the New Age and the New Order” of spiritual awareness. One young man from Colorado, U.S.A., a member of a group who call themselves “Alien Youth,” told Awake! in all seriousness: “My friends and I are waiting for our alien ancestors to beam us up.”
A few of those who assert that they are extraterrestrials claim that they are led by God, and others claim that they speak freely with him for advice in assisting humanity. Is God working through visitors from other planets to save mankind from an upcoming world catastrophe?
God’s Communications With Mankind
Early in man’s history, God communicated with humans. The Bible record describes divine conversations with Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, and others. (Genesis 3:8-10; 6:13; 15:1) Dreams, voices, and visions were used to communicate God’s will and to produce the Bible. However, after the Bible was completed, was there a need for direct heavenly communication with mankind? No, since the Bible states that the Holy Scriptures make “the man of God . . . fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:17) According to the Bible, guidance for these troubled times is to come from the written Word of God. Nevertheless, is there any reason to believe that we would receive communication or special instructions directly from God through an extraterrestrial spokesman? No, for the apostle Paul stated: “Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.”—Galatians 1:8.
Although the assertions of supposed extraterrestrial beings seem to agree with Bible prophecies that the earth is soon to undergo major cataclysmic changes, they offer a method of survival that relies on creatures. The Bible does not urge men to flee to the supposed security of alien spacecraft or any other place. Rather, it tells us to seek protection in a dedicated relationship with God, which dedication is symbolized by water baptism. (1 Peter 3:21; compare Psalm 91:7; Matthew 28:19, 20; John 17:3.) And Jesus said that “he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.”—Matthew 24:13.
Do not these scriptures emphasize a spiritual relationship with God for survival rather than a physical location of refuge? Therefore, instead of assisting mankind to survive, stories about ‘nonhuman beings’ divert people’s attention away from what God actually requires for their everlasting welfare.
Who may try to steer mankind away from God’s means of survival, yet claim to represent God? Ed Conroy, in his book Report on Communion, states that “serious ufologists [those who study UFO’s] with training in the psychological and social sciences” include comparative studies of “‘bedroom visitors,’ ghosts, poltergeists, apparitions, religious visions, and what have been regarded as demons.” Many ufologists and those who claim to be extraterrestrials in human form state that using spaceships to travel is mostly unnecessary. They say that these beings can travel invisibly and materialize anywhere on earth without arriving in spacecraft.
The Bible warns that Satan and his demons are intent on misleading mankind. They take advantage of mankind’s despair and hopelessness to offer attractive, but false, solutions. (2 Corinthians 11:14) Hence, the Bible warning: “In later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons.”—1 Timothy 4:1.
In like manner today, any supposed visits and seemingly beneficial guidance from such beings should be rejected, whatever form they may take. Those who would rather follow the advice of “extraterrestrials” than God’s Word are bound to be misled—a terrible mistake to make in these critical times.
[Footnotes]
For a discussion of UFO’s and extraterrestrial life, see the April 8, 1990, and November 8, 1990, issues of Awake!
The Bible writer Ezekiel witnessed what some have interpreted as a UFO. (Ezekiel, chapter 1) However, this was one of many symbolic visions described by Ezekiel and other prophets, not an actual physical sighting as claimed in modern times.

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I would say you are close-minded here just like I was with the same faulty reasoning some years back. What is written in biblical scripture makes absolute sense if you are willing to open up to its possibility. Sure there is edits and perhaps even certain omissions however the ESSENCE is still there. When you honestly consider what is written it is amazing how your spiritual eyes will start to open up.

Yep!

If you don't believe in Jesus Christ, you die

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Oh , this is just more massive bullshit. Most abductions stop when the demand is made, no matter if you say “jesus” or just “stop”. Your religion is soon to crumble to nothing. Its time you wake up and realize that thankfully this universe is much bigger and fascinating than any earth-bound religion Allows its believers to imagine.