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Rising Son
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OP, I am curious to hear what you think of what I wrote above. Do you agree or disagree? Does it depend on something else? Please tell me what you think - this is a question that I have tried to answer for a very long time and I would like to hear your take on it.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I never said I don't want to avoid sin. Trying to avoid sin and do things according to God's will is a good thing. The difference would be that to put your faith in your works and ability to not sin would never save you, as apposed to putting your faith in Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God who died for your sins and rose again.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I think we are essentially saying the same thing here. I understand we are imperfect beings striving to be better, but I believe salvation comes from a combination of faith in both God and Jesus Christ, as well as our struggle to avoid sin and do good works. I look at what Jesus did as an example for all of us to follow. I think it becomes dangerous to tell people that as long as they believe in Jesus Christ, they will be saved. You must define that belief, as in to believe in Jesus Christ is to emulate Him.
 Quoting: Rising Son


There is no way for an imperfect man to save himself by trying to be perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and sinless in all his ways.

We all fail and make mistakes, so because of that we are in need of a savior to save us from our own fallen nature.

If you trust in yourself for your own salvation then when the day of judgement comes and you tell God "I followed your laws" He will say that even though you followed some you broke some and in so being are a law breaker and if you've broken one you've broken them all.

The bible says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
(Eph 2:8 KJV)

Do you not think trying to earn a gift is to offend the giver?
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I see your point, but by your logic, you are implying that the very act of trying to avoid sin is attempting to earn that same gift of salvation. If it is a gift that is given on faith alone, why bother to avoid sin? Wouldn't that technically be offending the giver as well?

I don't see it as attempting to earn the gift, I see it as showing gratitude for the gift in advance of receiving it. I would imagine our heavenly Father may not be so inclined to offer this same gift to a child who feels entitled simply by believing. I would rather do everything I can to please Him, to include striving to be like Jesus.

Regarding Jesus - how do you know He was sinless? Who of the authors of the bible would dare call the Son of God a sinner? Most did not know Him prior to His ministry, so are we to assume He was sinless His entire life? Isn't it denying Jesus' humanity to do so? I would imagine that to experience the human condition and suffer as we do, He would have to experience sin as well as the feeling of remorse in it's wake.

What are your thoughts?

Last Edited by Rising Son on 10/29/2012 08:18 AM
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I don't know but I sure wish we could forget this thread and start focusing on protection for those people who are on the east coast right now.

Prayers or positive energies focused towards the millions of those helpless people would be greatly appreciate by them right now I'm sure.....hf
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I never said I don't want to avoid sin. Trying to avoid sin and do things according to God's will is a good thing. The difference would be that to put your faith in your works and ability to not sin would never save you, as apposed to putting your faith in Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God who died for your sins and rose again.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I think we are essentially saying the same thing here. I understand we are imperfect beings striving to be better, but I believe salvation comes from a combination of faith in both God and Jesus Christ, as well as our struggle to avoid sin and do good works. I look at what Jesus did as an example for all of us to follow. I think it becomes dangerous to tell people that as long as they believe in Jesus Christ, they will be saved. You must define that belief, as in to believe in Jesus Christ is to emulate Him.
 Quoting: Rising Son


There is no way for an imperfect man to save himself by trying to be perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and sinless in all his ways.

We all fail and make mistakes, so because of that we are in need of a savior to save us from our own fallen nature.

If you trust in yourself for your own salvation then when the day of judgement comes and you tell God "I followed your laws" He will say that even though you followed some you broke some and in so being are a law breaker and if you've broken one you've broken them all.

The bible says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
(Eph 2:8 KJV)

Do you not think trying to earn a gift is to offend the giver?
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I see your point, but by your logic, you are implying that the very act of trying to avoid sin is attempting to earn that same gift of salvation. If it is a gift that is given on faith alone, why bother to avoid sin? Wouldn't that technically be offending the giver as well?

I don't see it as attempting to earn the gift, I see it as showing gratitude for the gift in advance of receiving it. I would imagine our heavenly Father may not be so inclined to offer this same gift to a child who feels entitled simply by believing. I would rather do everything I can to please Him, to include striving to be like Jesus.

Regarding Jesus - how do you know He was sinless? Who of the authors of the bible would dare call the Son of God a sinner? Most did not know Him prior to His ministry, so are we to assume He was sinless His entire life? Isn't it denying Jesus' humanity to do so? I would imagine that to experience the human condition and suffer as we do, He would have to experience sin as well as the feeling of remorse in it's wake.

What are your thoughts?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Avoiding sin is what every born again Christian should be doing, it's all a matter of what you put your trust in for salvation, Jesus Christ or yourself.
GET SAVED: Thread: Are you SAVED from DAMNATION?

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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I think we are essentially saying the same thing here. I understand we are imperfect beings striving to be better, but I believe salvation comes from a combination of faith in both God and Jesus Christ, as well as our struggle to avoid sin and do good works. I look at what Jesus did as an example for all of us to follow. I think it becomes dangerous to tell people that as long as they believe in Jesus Christ, they will be saved. You must define that belief, as in to believe in Jesus Christ is to emulate Him.
 Quoting: Rising Son


There is no way for an imperfect man to save himself by trying to be perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and sinless in all his ways.

We all fail and make mistakes, so because of that we are in need of a savior to save us from our own fallen nature.

If you trust in yourself for your own salvation then when the day of judgement comes and you tell God "I followed your laws" He will say that even though you followed some you broke some and in so being are a law breaker and if you've broken one you've broken them all.

The bible says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
(Eph 2:8 KJV)

Do you not think trying to earn a gift is to offend the giver?
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I see your point, but by your logic, you are implying that the very act of trying to avoid sin is attempting to earn that same gift of salvation. If it is a gift that is given on faith alone, why bother to avoid sin? Wouldn't that technically be offending the giver as well?

I don't see it as attempting to earn the gift, I see it as showing gratitude for the gift in advance of receiving it. I would imagine our heavenly Father may not be so inclined to offer this same gift to a child who feels entitled simply by believing. I would rather do everything I can to please Him, to include striving to be like Jesus.

Regarding Jesus - how do you know He was sinless? Who of the authors of the bible would dare call the Son of God a sinner? Most did not know Him prior to His ministry, so are we to assume He was sinless His entire life? Isn't it denying Jesus' humanity to do so? I would imagine that to experience the human condition and suffer as we do, He would have to experience sin as well as the feeling of remorse in it's wake.

What are your thoughts?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Avoiding sin is what every born again Christian should be doing, it's all a matter of what you put your trust in for salvation, Jesus Christ or yourself.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Wouldn't you agree that following the teachings of Jesus Christ and repenting for your sins is in fact trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation? You would not follow His teachings nor would you feel the need to repent if you did not trust in Him and in God to save you from your sins. Isn't that what the act of repentance is - asking God and Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and to take them away from you? Jesus commanded us to: "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand." Why would He command us to do so if His act of sacrificing Himself for us would guarantee our salvation just by believing in Him? By saying these words, He is implying that repentance is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God.

I believe He knew His death on the cross was necessary in order to show us His resurrection, but I don't believe that His death on the cross excuses us from the requirement to repent for our sins.

What do you think?

Last Edited by Rising Son on 10/30/2012 08:29 AM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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Dr. Appoiment?
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Faith of still are not will to do that which is err by thy self be bare.

Why doubt? There is much more going on here than you think.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


It would be helpful if you were a little more straightforward.

Reveal what you know. I could make a thousand posts like these but they wouldn't mean anything.
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"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." -- Matthew 13:13-15 KJV
 Quoting: Veresanctus



Oooooh, I get it! You're Jesus. Hey Jesus!
Winner takes my car, clean and clear... but if I lose, I take the cash AND I take the respect!
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There is no way for an imperfect man to save himself by trying to be perfect. Only Jesus was perfect and sinless in all his ways.

We all fail and make mistakes, so because of that we are in need of a savior to save us from our own fallen nature.

If you trust in yourself for your own salvation then when the day of judgement comes and you tell God "I followed your laws" He will say that even though you followed some you broke some and in so being are a law breaker and if you've broken one you've broken them all.

The bible says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"
(Eph 2:8 KJV)

Do you not think trying to earn a gift is to offend the giver?
 Quoting: Veresanctus


I see your point, but by your logic, you are implying that the very act of trying to avoid sin is attempting to earn that same gift of salvation. If it is a gift that is given on faith alone, why bother to avoid sin? Wouldn't that technically be offending the giver as well?

I don't see it as attempting to earn the gift, I see it as showing gratitude for the gift in advance of receiving it. I would imagine our heavenly Father may not be so inclined to offer this same gift to a child who feels entitled simply by believing. I would rather do everything I can to please Him, to include striving to be like Jesus.

Regarding Jesus - how do you know He was sinless? Who of the authors of the bible would dare call the Son of God a sinner? Most did not know Him prior to His ministry, so are we to assume He was sinless His entire life? Isn't it denying Jesus' humanity to do so? I would imagine that to experience the human condition and suffer as we do, He would have to experience sin as well as the feeling of remorse in it's wake.

What are your thoughts?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Avoiding sin is what every born again Christian should be doing, it's all a matter of what you put your trust in for salvation, Jesus Christ or yourself.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Wouldn't you agree that following the teachings of Jesus Christ and repenting for your sins is in fact trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation? You would not follow His teachings nor would you feel the need to repent if you did not trust in Him and in God to save you from your sins. Isn't that what the act of repentance is - asking God and Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and to take them away from you? Jesus commanded us to repent in His teachings, why would He command us to do so if His act of sacrificing Himself for us would take away our sins just by believing in Him?

I believe He knew His death on the cross was necessary in order to show us His resurrection, but I don't believe that His death on the cross excuses us from the requirement to repent for our sins.

What do you think?
 Quoting: Rising Son


The term "repent of your sins" is not in the bible.

Please read the links on this page regarding repentance:
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
GET SAVED: Thread: Are you SAVED from DAMNATION?

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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I see your point, but by your logic, you are implying that the very act of trying to avoid sin is attempting to earn that same gift of salvation. If it is a gift that is given on faith alone, why bother to avoid sin? Wouldn't that technically be offending the giver as well?

I don't see it as attempting to earn the gift, I see it as showing gratitude for the gift in advance of receiving it. I would imagine our heavenly Father may not be so inclined to offer this same gift to a child who feels entitled simply by believing. I would rather do everything I can to please Him, to include striving to be like Jesus.

Regarding Jesus - how do you know He was sinless? Who of the authors of the bible would dare call the Son of God a sinner? Most did not know Him prior to His ministry, so are we to assume He was sinless His entire life? Isn't it denying Jesus' humanity to do so? I would imagine that to experience the human condition and suffer as we do, He would have to experience sin as well as the feeling of remorse in it's wake.

What are your thoughts?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Avoiding sin is what every born again Christian should be doing, it's all a matter of what you put your trust in for salvation, Jesus Christ or yourself.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Wouldn't you agree that following the teachings of Jesus Christ and repenting for your sins is in fact trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation? You would not follow His teachings nor would you feel the need to repent if you did not trust in Him and in God to save you from your sins. Isn't that what the act of repentance is - asking God and Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and to take them away from you? Jesus commanded us to repent in His teachings, why would He command us to do so if His act of sacrificing Himself for us would take away our sins just by believing in Him?

I believe He knew His death on the cross was necessary in order to show us His resurrection, but I don't believe that His death on the cross excuses us from the requirement to repent for our sins.

What do you think?
 Quoting: Rising Son


The term "repent of your sins" is not in the bible.

Please read the links on this page regarding repentance:
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Matthew 3:2 - Jesus said "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand."

Would you not agree that Jesus is implying that repentance is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God?
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Avoiding sin is what every born again Christian should be doing, it's all a matter of what you put your trust in for salvation, Jesus Christ or yourself.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Wouldn't you agree that following the teachings of Jesus Christ and repenting for your sins is in fact trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation? You would not follow His teachings nor would you feel the need to repent if you did not trust in Him and in God to save you from your sins. Isn't that what the act of repentance is - asking God and Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and to take them away from you? Jesus commanded us to repent in His teachings, why would He command us to do so if His act of sacrificing Himself for us would take away our sins just by believing in Him?

I believe He knew His death on the cross was necessary in order to show us His resurrection, but I don't believe that His death on the cross excuses us from the requirement to repent for our sins.

What do you think?
 Quoting: Rising Son


The term "repent of your sins" is not in the bible.

Please read the links on this page regarding repentance:
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Matthew 3:2 - Jesus said "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand."

Would you not agree that Jesus is implying that repentance is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Of course but you have the wrong idea what repentance means with regards to salvation... read those articles about it, it will help.
GET SAVED: Thread: Are you SAVED from DAMNATION?

"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Wouldn't you agree that following the teachings of Jesus Christ and repenting for your sins is in fact trusting in Jesus Christ for your salvation? You would not follow His teachings nor would you feel the need to repent if you did not trust in Him and in God to save you from your sins. Isn't that what the act of repentance is - asking God and Jesus Christ to forgive you for your sins and to take them away from you? Jesus commanded us to repent in His teachings, why would He command us to do so if His act of sacrificing Himself for us would take away our sins just by believing in Him?

I believe He knew His death on the cross was necessary in order to show us His resurrection, but I don't believe that His death on the cross excuses us from the requirement to repent for our sins.

What do you think?
 Quoting: Rising Son


The term "repent of your sins" is not in the bible.

Please read the links on this page regarding repentance:
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Matthew 3:2 - Jesus said "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand."

Would you not agree that Jesus is implying that repentance is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God?
 Quoting: Rising Son


Of course but you have the wrong idea what repentance means with regards to salvation... read those articles about it, it will help.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Repentance is turning from sin and asking God for forgiveness of the sins you have committed. I don't believe repentance alone implies belief in Jesus Christ, but I also don't believe that belief in Jesus Christ implies repentance.

Based on the link you provided, I am gathering that you believe repentance through salvation is "a change of mind", in that you simply need to turn from sin through faith in Jesus Christ, and you are saved. If this were the case, a "change of mind" would only need to happen once. However, we continue to sin because we are sinners, and we are imperfect. So in that sense, a change of mind in the sense of turning from sin is impossible, because you know you will sin again. It is inevitable.

Further, why are we compelled by instinct to confess our sins to God and ask for forgiveness? Why is that a natural response if it was not meant to be?

What about this verse from the New Testament:

John 1:9 - "If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

Last Edited by Rising Son on 10/30/2012 09:33 AM
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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hmmmmm.... sounds about right.

I have that date written down in my notes from about a year or so ago.. but can't remember the why of it.
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Look above to see what nights show thee from The bounty (HMS Bounty Lost 1- dead.) of three ways will be,(Hurricane, Levee Break, ? - what is the third way of destruction?)- from the setting of the sun (Worst flooding was late in evening!) to the rising of three one (31st day) and darkness fills the land at three.
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SPOT ON!

Was this a given prophecy? Or did it just come to you after posting? Anyway, it's right on the money.
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Verasanctus, what happens at 31? I couldn't read the whole thread.

Any other prophecies we should know about?
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Come on man. No one else finds that an amazing prophecy?

All you naysayers were so WRONG...now why don't you admit it.



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Stickyfoot,i think i stepped in something
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I'll post them all in a post to consolidate them

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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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hmmmmm.... sounds about right.

I have that date written down in my notes from about a year or so ago.. but can't remember the why of it.
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Look above to see what nights show thee from the bounty of three ways will be, from the setting of the sun to the rising of three one and darkness fills the land at three.
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Three quakes at three at night and be, not the only thing to see, when the moon is round about set free, at the day of choice and count of three.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


hmmmmm.... sounds about right.

I have that date written down in my notes from about a year or so ago.. but can't remember the why of it.
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Look above to see what nights show thee from the bounty of three ways will be, from the setting of the sun to the rising of three one and darkness fills the land at three.
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For three is in and three is out but one is before when after is bout.
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Fou events come to play...Now there are three as of today
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Three plus one at the end of days, when the latter ones are all in plays, will see the time of the end of days, for those who know will all sing praise.
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This thread is a riddle for all to read, and to lift away the veil to see, that those who now know the time will see, that righteous and true is the way to be.
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World treasures hidden deep under ground...Many stored five fathoms down...Three events yet to play...Then they count the end of days
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Your sign and purpose here is one, but there are yet more before it's done, to play their part for three plus one, still few are set and few are done.
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Sorry - wrong year. Possibly the full moon on Oct 29th?
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-1 +3
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Sorry, I'm a little slow with these things. October 31st - Halloween - day of choice (trick or treat)?
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Added more for those to see, that the rise will come and the land that is also the sea, will rise and rise til time is done, for all who see and all who will be, the ones outside and inside that is the sea.

And when this verse is all but done it will for few to have seen it done, so that this has come for three plus one, and part done at night when in all but one.

 Quoting: Veresanctus


So Mountains will rise from the sea. Earthquakes there will be. 3 major plus 1. So guessing 3 in Cali and 1 around Seattle. New Madrid Fault will go? Just a guess.
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Three plus one on the days will be, counting up and down and around the sea, for days are numbers and numbers are days, so that when the time comes we all will sing praise.
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Why not look at the moon?

Do I have to rhyme that to get an answer?

Through this entire thread I read,
Missing somthing that you said.
The moon is out so big and bright,
Why can't I look and see at night?
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As you try and see the sight, yet see the moon round about all bright, takes away your sight to see that night, what may you might, that comes your way during the night.
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Those who close their eyes will not understand but those who look and see and think will get the meaning of all the text.
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Or, you know, just say exactly what you mean in the first place and then everyone can see. Not just the schizophrenics and/or "religiously inclined" who derive meaning from gobbledegook.
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Nine was known and nine was seen, as violence past and violence keen, but none above the nine was seen, by any man or any king, but when they are all forced awake, by the biggest and the greatest shake, then the whole world will begin to break, as well as to gain much heat and bake.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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So it appears you edited your title.

Time to find a new date, false prophet?
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So it appears you edited your title.

Time to find a new date, false prophet?
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So it appears you edited your title.

Time to find a new date, false prophet?
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If that is what you believe then so be it.

My original title was about the 28th and all that came from it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with changing dates.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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So it appears you edited your title.

Time to find a new date, false prophet?
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If that is what you believe then so be it.

My original title was about the 28th and all that came from it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with changing dates.
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You're a fraud. The classical description of false prophet.

I'm not going to illustrate this any further. Your "good" intentions are those of fear. Your duality will consume you.

A lesson in humility is what you need. It's what everyone needs, including myself.

Be gone. And remember this.
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So it appears you edited your title.

Time to find a new date, false prophet?
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If that is what you believe then so be it.

My original title was about the 28th and all that came from it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with changing dates.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


You're a fraud. The classical description of false prophet.

I'm not going to illustrate this any further. Your "good" intentions are those of fear. Your duality will consume you.

A lesson in humility is what you need. It's what everyone needs, including myself.

Be gone. And remember this.
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So it appears you edited your title.

Time to find a new date, false prophet?
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If that is what you believe then so be it.

My original title was about the 28th and all that came from it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with changing dates.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


You're a fraud. The classical description of false prophet.

I'm not going to illustrate this any further. Your "good" intentions are those of fear. Your duality will consume you.

A lesson in humility is what you need. It's what everyone needs, including myself.

Be gone. And remember this.
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You really do not know what you are talking about
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Time is ticking and ticking each day, instead of watching everyone is away, all is seen to those who say, "I want to see the whole Truth and walk the true Way".

As I rhyme please pay attention, to the words and phrases and not the indention, because as you see, the truth is always free, and if you wish it will be, to know all the truth you will see.

Dates that appear, are not dates for peers, but those who three plus one did see, as well as more dates and times than me, to all the dates that they may see, to dates that they see and dates that will be, to all dates in and no dates out, will be the ones who those stay out.

The entire earth will reel to and fro, so that all the lands we live on will go, in different ways that a drunkard would do, a back and forth motion that will it remove, calling the oceans in all to move, and cover the high places, low places, and flat places too.

Apocalypse is coming and the day will soon be, when all eyes will open and all eyes will see, the one who is called Holy and Righteous and He, will bring the whole world to an end and a halt, and change it all from a horrible fault, yet even the ones who have fallen asleep, will He reset to the standard the Holy will keep.


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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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If anyone can, please pin this topic, it's important
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so you can be direct? hmm
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If anyone can, please pin this topic, it's important
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so you can be direct? hmm
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Does anyone read what is being said? Does anyone listen? Does anyone care?

The world is full of blind and deaf people, ever hearing but not listening and ever seeing but not watching.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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If anyone can, please pin this topic, it's important
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so you can be direct? hmm
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Does anyone read what is being said? Does anyone listen? Does anyone care?

The world is full of blind and deaf people, ever hearing but not listening and ever seeing but not watching.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26

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