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Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?

 
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11/08/2012 12:39 AM
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Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
Don't just say "cos its Socialism" either.

Thats not a good enough answer, just a boogey word.

What is wrong with the idea that everyone in a nation deserves to have a fair go at decent health care, even people without much cash available.

Why do you lot even have a nation if you can't look after your own?


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Universal healthcare promotes general welfare, not having it is an injustice that means some citizens are not protected/defended. One of the blessings of liberty is universal healthcare in most democracies on earth, and it is a blessing.

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Whats the point of being a nation if you can't look after your own?
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11/08/2012 12:46 AM
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
OP, this has already been asked. SO, I can make it easier for you find the thoughts, opinions and discussions:

why do Americans hate Universal health care?
Thread: why do Americans hate Universal health care?

Why are Americans scared of universal health care?
Thread: Why are Americans scared of universal health care?

Why Don't We Have Universal Health Care in the US?
Thread: Why Don't We Have Universal Health Care in the US?

Why are most Americans against universal health care?
Thread: Why are most Americans against universal health care?

Universal Health Care. Why not?
Thread: Universal Health Care. Why not?

There are few others (pro and con), but this should get you started.
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11/08/2012 12:55 AM

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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
Because it stinks. Have you ever waited 8 hours in emergency and them your told come back tomorrow? This happened to a good friend of mine this past Saturday. Was he in a 3rd world country? No. He was in Canada.

This is the same friend whose father waited 2.5 years for hip replacement surgery. And whose father in law waited 1 year for eye surgery and almost went blind.
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11/08/2012 01:03 AM
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
I will speak for myself only. Firstly, I don't believe a citizen should be FORCED to pay for health care. How much will it cost? $500 hundred or more per month? Secondly, I do not trust the American Medical Association, I refuse to take their chemicals and undergo their test. My power is within to heal and I use only natural remedies. There are cures for cancer and other diseases that the Pharmaceutical companies have suppressed, how lovely of them. If I needed stiches or a broken bone fixed, I have the money to get this done. I don't want to have to pay for insurance that I simply won't use.
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
It is only partially Hate for universal healthcare.

The biggest HATE that is brewing right now (rightfully so) is the HATE for OBUMMERCARE and all of it's forced intrusions and how it is financed.

At this point America needs to stop it's hate for universal healthcare, and re-think a system that would actually work for this country.

But I am afraid, with all the public-ed idiots, that no one has enough of a brain to come up with a working idea.
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
Because it stinks. Have you ever waited 8 hours in emergency and them your told come back tomorrow? This happened to a good friend of mine this past Saturday. Was he in a 3rd world country? No. He was in Canada.

This is the same friend whose father waited 2.5 years for hip replacement surgery. And whose father in law waited 1 year for eye surgery and almost went blind.
 Quoting: The Dudester


absolutely true!

I moved to Canada in 2002, was finally granted permanent residency in 2006 and finally got to use the ER a few years later

I was totally shocked at the 13 hr wait I had to put up with just to get someone, anyone, to look at my eardrum which was close to bursting due to bronchitis

The people who lived all around me acted as if 8-16 hr waits were no big deal, and I was some kind of drama queen for objecting to it, but to me it seemed like some kind of primitive ghetto care

worse was the fact that when I finally got to see the single doctor who in the ER, I had no idea whether he was an ass doctor, a kidney doctor or a foot doc...by that point it didn't matter

He didn't even check my chest or get my pulse: I was in and out of his cubby hole in about 8 minutes

if I wanted to see a specialist, like an ENT, I would have had to be recommended by the ER doc, and it was obvious he was not going to do that...seriously, I would have had to have my eardrum falling out of my head before they would indicate a visit to the ONLY ear/nose/throat specialist who visited my region every few weeks or so

I was floored by the crappy attention which passes for universal care in Canada, if my region was an example.

I came back to the US grateful for what we have here, but now worried that all of the idiots who want to be like the rest of the world are going to drag us down the same path to refugee-camp like medical care

I had my eyes opened: seems universal health care's goal is to reduce everyone to the same level of care: shit
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11/08/2012 01:10 AM

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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
You do realize that no one is proposing Universal Health Care in this country?

Obama's deal is universal health insurance which you are forced to buy even if you can't afford it or be fined.

It doesn't build any hospitals, provide physicians or so much as a bandaid!

It's just scam for the insurance companies.
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
Cause it helps the poor at the expense of the Middle Class. Rich people can buy their own plans and essentially opt out. Team 44= two class system. Middle class gone.
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
How about because I can't afford it and don't need it at all?

I haven't been to the doctor in 15 years, I'm a self healer.
I'd just as soon sit in my room and die then go to a clinic.

I also live paycheck to paycheck. Budgeted out to have roughly $20 in between. This has worked just fine for 5 years.

Now...

Now I'm going to be forced to have $120 removed from every god damn check, for something I'll never fucking use, which results in me not having enough actual income to pay my god damn bills, you know, the fucking things I actually need.

That's my beef with so called 'Universal' health care.

Don't make me shoulder the bill for all those hypocondri's that are gullible enough to fall for big pharms nonsense.
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11/08/2012 01:17 AM
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
because they're stupid and have been lied to
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11/08/2012 01:19 AM
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
Obamacare is not universal health care, not even close.

It's a bill written by the insurance companies that imposes tax penalties on people and companies who don't maintain health insurance for themselves or their full time employees.

Even the most optimistic projections still show 30+ million peple without health insurance under obamacare
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11/08/2012 01:20 AM
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
read the bill moron!
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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
read the bill moron!
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Don't you need a law degree to read it? I heard that. LOL
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11/08/2012 01:35 AM

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Re: Why do americans hate the idea of universal health care?
Don't just say "cos its Socialism" either.

Thats not a good enough answer, just a boogey word.

What is wrong with the idea that everyone in a nation deserves to have a fair go at decent health care, even people without much cash available.

Why do you lot even have a nation if you can't look after your own?


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Universal healthcare promotes general welfare, not having it is an injustice that means some citizens are not protected/defended. One of the blessings of liberty is universal healthcare in most democracies on earth, and it is a blessing.

etc etc

Whats the point of being a nation if you can't look after your own?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27285981


Ummm ....can't you read and logically process what you posted?

It says ...." And secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity"

Liberty means freedom .....so government can promote welfare(whatever that means cause it subjective) .....a long as it doesn't negate freedom and liberty(which isn't subjective)