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Benghazi Security Chief Assassinated - Petraeus's Deal w/ Libyan Militants Didn't Last. Are More CIA Executions Planned?

 
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This thread actually might be important - but we can't tell because your train of thought is so chopped up it is impossible to follow.

How about a quick summary in your own words - not cut and paste - that clearly describe what has happened.

I've read this thread twice and It is still unclear …

For those that don't follow this part of the world, fill in the details that you think we already should know, because we don't.

That is why you are not getting the action on this thread that it deserves.
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Wow - I'm tempted not to respond...But, as I am a glutton for punishment, here it goes....

If you are unable to understand the thread, just read the first post.... The original post sums up everything...every post after that just provides supporting details.... (It's a top down approach, the first post is equivalent to an executive summary)...

If you don't find part of the original post credible (or you want additional details) read the supporting posts to find out my source & then research the material yourself...

If that is insufficient, here is a 2nd summary...

Libyan Coup/Militia Stand-off

On Halloween, the Libyan Parliament & important gov't buildings were seized by Islamist militias. The CIA assets who control the "democratic" provisional Libyan gov't were almost deposed.

The Militias held the Libyan parliament building & gov't offices for two days. This fact was not reported in the Western media for almost a day....When it was reported, it was called a "protest". But the protestors were heavily armed & they were holding gov't buildings...(more like a coup than a protest)

After two days, for some unexplained reason, the "protestors" just gave up... There was no reason for them to leave (no army opposing them, no concessions)...But the protestors left & the "democratic" provisional gov't is still in place...

Petraeus Connection

Last week, when the Petraeus scandal broke, I learned that the CIA Director David Petraeus visited Libya on November 1 (He left DC Halloween)....

This visit was supposedly a fact-finding mission....(about Benghazi attack)...

The official explanation for this trip does not make sense.... Who would he meet with in Libya? (the chief investigator - there isn't one)...(Libyan gov't officials - they were literally showing themselves in public to prove that they were alive & free - they didn't have time to meet w/ Petraeus). The CIA Director (or any high level official) wouldn't visit a country during a coup - unless their visit was related to the coup.

What It Means

I think that the CIA Director's quick visit was related to the political mess in Libya. If the trip was unrelated, he would have moved it back....

If the CIA Director has the power to force the Islamists to abandon their occupation of Libyan gov't facilities, doesn't that mean the CIA controls the Islamists?

A second point about the timing of the CIA Director's visit... It was 5 days before the US Presidential election.... Obama had two big foreign policy wins in his 1st term. He got Bin Laden & he got Gaddafi. It would not have looked good if the terrorists (Islamists) took over Libya right before the election.... His second win would have been viewed as a "loss"

Without switching to GAMMA GREEN paper, I can't get any clearer than that...
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Thoughts since the Pertaeus testimony?
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We don't know what he said in the closed door session, except that he reported that the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack...

Keep in mind there are two reports... All of the foxnews hysteria is over the intelligence report on the Benghazi attack... There is also an intelligence report on his Halloween trip to Benghazi...

There has been absolutely no mention of the trip report...except that Feinstein complained that she hadn't received it. I expect that there will never be any coverage of the trip report...

Has anyone else in the United States even mentioned what was happening in Libya on Halloween? I haven't heard anything...

If I wasn't still following Libyan politicians on Twitter, I wouldn't have known about it....

Do you know how hard it is to find a MSM report that actually lists the dates that Petraeus was in Libya? Most reports say he was in Libya "last month"... It was only Mary Wheeler's blog that gave the exact dates...
30 years from now someone will write an exposé on the CIA...(maybe)...

The big story will be how the CIA/Western Intelligence overthrew Gaddafi..The fact that the CIA delayed the Islamist take over of Libya by a few months may get a chapter (maybe)...
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Thank you Darby Doom.
I appreciate your reports. Your intel seems to be very good and your creative research and contacts sure give you the bigger picture.
One suggestion. - For your "news" research or background public info please consider getting a full LEXISNEXIS account. With your skills you could have volumes of info at your fingertips and then sort it very quickly. Just a suggestion. Many people don't know about LEXIS NEXIS. It's basically for professionals. Legal, Medical, Political, News, Government Research and it is International in scope. IF you can afford it, it will take you to an even higher level.
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Im with you though that there is no denial any longer that thr usa is coperating with the rebels in libya as well as syria.

The deeper question is why..

I truly have been led to believe that there will be a major annoincement soon coming that the obama admin will publicly announce a position change that will change the way america interacts with theiddle east. They will partner with iran. Try to work as allies in the region by disenganging with israel.

Whats awrful is that in some places in thr world we are clearly aidimg and assisting al queda while fighting them in war in other spots.

Nothing makes sense with this administration.


Or perhaps, there had been a coup de tat in americas military that was uncovered as a way to undermine the president. It happened under kennedy, it could have been done again.
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This pre-dates Obama...

In an article in New Yorker magazine, Seymour Hersh reported that the Bush administration was allying itself with Islamist extremists against Iran...

That article was written in 2007....

Here's a link - [link to www.newyorker.com]

Will the US change sides again? That would make Assad happy...
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Darby rocks!!
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Article from Last Week re: On-going Instability in Libya....

Was whatever happened on Nov. 1 and/or 2 just a temporary fix?

...After several false starts, parliament finally approved Prime Minister Ahmad Zeidan’s government earlier this month. But last week, Libyans again stormed parliament sessions, adding further chaos to a country mired in it. Militia fighters camped outside the Rixos hotel where assembly sessions are being held. “The politicians have reached the end,” said Jandal a fighter from the western town of Zuwara. “If they don’t make some good choices we will get rid of them.”

And that is what many analysts are afraid of. With a central government too weak to impose its authority, the militias have become kings of the Libyan jungle. They appoint and dismiss municipal council members, allocate financial resources and mete out justice. Many Libyans had hoped an elected government would gain a legitimacy the interim government lacked. But the political infighting has sapped parliament’s strength and only perpetuated the uncertainty surrounding the country’s future...

[link to www.jpost.com]
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OT - Shalgam Names Qatari Names...

Last year, Libya's UN Ambassador wrote a book about life at the center of the Gaddafi regime. It was a huge best seller in Libya.

He has written a new book about the 2011 revolution. The take-away - Qatar was the puppet master. Qatar was behind revolution. Qatar has supported Islamists in Libya. Emir of Qatar wants to be new Caliph (ruler of entire Middle East). Qatar had Younis killed b/c he interfered with their plans to dominate Libya.

Backgound -Younis was in charge of rebel forces; he was murdered by Islamists in June, 2011. The highest levels of rebel leadership were implicated in his murder. Many Libyans believe that all of the issues in post-revolution Libya began with Younis's murder.

He also revealed that many Libyan politicians have taken pay-offs from Qatar (luxury cars & new homes). One named politician who received a car is on the new Libyan cabinet.

Not surprisingly, Shalgam's new book has not been mentioned in the western media. BUT - he began talking about Qatar's role in Libya a year ago and excerpts from one of his interviews on AJA made its way into Foreign Policy Magazine.. Here it is-

Shalgam: Even the Libyans don't understand this (possible Qatar led coalition) Qatar leading America & France? Who is Qatar?

Shalgam: Does Qatar even have an army? Qatar only has mercenaries, from Nepal & from Bangladesh & from Pakistan....

Shalgam: The number of Libyan martyrs & injured & missing, if you count them, is greater than the number of Qatar's residents.

Shalgam: What is Qatar doing there (in Libya)? Qatar isn't neutral with all parties. Qatar will gather these weapons & give them to others.

Shalgam: Libya is in no need of Qatar's money. It was Nato that played a decisive role...

Shalgam: What makes Qatar so special that it sets up an operations room (in Libya) to lead Britain & the US, this is totally unacceptable...

Shalgam: We don't need Qatar in anything, thanks for their efforts, we will decide our own destiny, we don't want them to interfere...

Shalgam: We will not accept to be a new emirate that belongs to the new "Emir of the Believers" in Qatar.

Shalgam: I do not rule out Qatar setting up a Hezbollah party in Libya. We don't want a foreign country to interfere.

[link to blog.foreignpolicy.com]
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Oh Well - Looks like Petraeus Only Bought the Libyans Three weeks..

Mohamed Eljarh (@Eljarh)
11/20/12, 7:16 PM
Looks like Ansar Alsharia (i.e. extremists) are taking on #Benghazi right this late hour #Libya! Head of Security killed, clashes reported!

bilal H. Bettamer (@Bilalhb)
11/20/12, 7:25 PM
Almost sure of this but BREAKING NEWS: Assassination of a high rank police officer who's also the chief of police in #Benghazi
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Benghazi Security Directorate chief assassinated

The head of Benghazi’s security directorate was assassinated this morning when he was shot by unidentified assailants in front of his house in the Sabri district of the city. The attackers are reported to have fired six shots from a Mitsubishi Lancer before fleeing the scene.

Colonel Faraj Mohammed Idris Drissi was immediately rushed to hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival. The motive of the assailants is not yet known, but there are suspicions the attack may relate to a decree circulated by the security directorate on 10 October to all police stations in Benghazi authorising officers to use force against outlawed militias still operating in the city....

To date, Drissi is reckoned to be the eighteenth senior security officer to have been murdered in Benghazi this year.

[link to www.libyaherald.com]
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Ansar al Sharia the new boogeyman?

Ansar al Sharia prisoners escape in Yemen..

[link to www.sabanews.net]

Ansar al Sharia suspected in Assassinations in Libya

Members of Ansar al Sharia arrested over attack on US Embassy in Tunis released...

Aaron Y. Zelin (@azelin)
11/20/12, 8:59 PM
15 members of Ansar al-Sharia in Tunisia were released tonight from prison. Previously been arrested in relation to the embassy attack.

Source - Zelin is a fellow at a DC Think tank which focuses on the ME...
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All those Ansar al Sharias (Library of Congress report suggests all of them are rebranded branch of Al Qaeda)..

Know Your Ansar al Sharia

From Sana to Benghazi, Cairo to Casablanca, new jihadist groups have adopted the same name in recent months. Is it all just a coincidence?

There is a new trend sweeping the world of jihadism. Instead of adopting unique names, groups increasingly prefer to call themselves ansar, Arabic for "supporters." In many cases, they style themselves Ansar al-Sharia -- supporters of Islamic law -- emphasizing their desire to establish Islamic states. Yet despite the fact that these groups share a name and an ideology, they lack a unified command structure or even a bandleader like the central al Qaeda command (or what's left of it), thought to be based in Pakistan. They are fighting in different lands using different means, but all for the same end, an approach better suited for the vagaries born of the Arab uprisings.

The name Ansar al-Sharia shot into the news last week in the aftermath of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, when the local organization Katibat Ansar al-Sharia was accused of perpetrating it -- charges the group denied. Many reports seem to have confused Benghazi's Ansar al-Sharia with another Libyan group, based in Derna.

The naming trend actually started in Yemen, when al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), the powerful and ambitious local al Qaeda branch, established the front group Ansar al-Sharia in Yemen in April 2011. It is possible this was born out of Osama bin Laden's musings over whether to rebrand al Qaeda. None of the names in the documents captured from the late al Qaeda leader's compound mentioned Ansar al-Sharia as a potential example, however. More recently, one of the preeminent global jihadi ideologues, Shaykh Abu al-Mundhir al-Shinqiti, put his stamp of approval on the new wave of Ansar al-Sharia groups.

[link to www.washingtoninstitute.org]
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Report: Benghazi security chief killed by gunmen

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Unknown gunmen have assassinated the temporary security director for the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi in the latest violence to rock the city, state media reported Wednesday,..

David Petraeus, who recently resigned as director of the CIA, said in closed-door congressional briefings on Friday that the attack was planned and launched by terrorists affiliated with al Qaeda, according to lawmakers and those who attended.

A diplomatic cable sent by Stevens from Benghazi hours before the attack in which he died was largely devoted to the rising security threats in and around the city.

[link to www.cnn.com]
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Bump for tenacious OP's dogged pursuit.
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Benghazi Security Director Is Assassinated, Libyan Official Says

The killing was the latest blow for Benghazi, which has staggered since armed men attacked United States intelligence and diplomatic buildings in September.... The attack led to a popular revolt against the militias that have held sway since the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi last year, including hard-line Islamist groups, which have been criticized for being a law unto themselves.

Government officials loudly promised to assert the state’s control, while privately conceding that they were outgunned and incapable of fulfilling such a pledge. Militia leaders have rejected efforts by the government to rein them in, saying they would consider disbanding only if their leaders were given senior posts in the government.

The assassinations in Benghazi started last year and reflected the city’s factional fights. The first victims were former Qaddafi officials, usually from feared agencies under the Interior Ministry, whose bodies were found dumped on the outskirts of the city, bound and shot. The weak transitional government, bereft of a judicial system, has never prosecuted anyone for the attacks.

[link to www.nytimes.com]
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Bump for tenacious OP's dogged pursuit.
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What is the OPs interest with Libya? Does the OP originate from those parts or is it something more specific? Please pray tell.
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Bump for tenacious OP's dogged pursuit.
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What is the OPs interest with Libya? Does the OP originate from those parts or is it something more specific? Please pray tell.
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I have no connection to Libya...

Many of the American posters on this site, particularly the women, say "this doesn't make sense" or "I need to understand"

It seems the be a recurring theme on GLP - people come here when they realize something is wrong with the official version of events...

For me, Libya was the point when I understood, with no caveats and no hesitation, that the world as it was presented to me did not make sense.

The American media was not reporting objective facts, but rather was providing an official version of events.

The political leaders of my country were acting in a manner that did not make sense if they based their decisions on the rationales which were provided.

That is why I am interested in Libya. I want to learn the truth...
If I understand what happened/is happening in Libya, maybe I will realize what has happened to my own country...
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New Head of Benghazi Security Directorate

Colonel Mustafa Mohammed Raqiq has been appointed head of Benghazi’s security directorate following the assassination of Colonel Faraj Drissi on Wednesday...

Colonel Raqiq, who is in his forties, was one of the earliest defectors from the regime at the start of last year’s revolution, and previously served as head of Hadaeq police station.

[link to www.libyaherald.com]
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This is my last post on GLP...

Next Friday, anti-militia protests are planned for Benghazi....

The last time such protests were held, the CIA used them as "cover" to execute 6 Libyan army officers who took part in the attack on the US compound in Benghazi...

If you missed the earlier executions, the CIA doesn't publicize their involvement...You'll see a report on anti-militias protests which includes attacks on one of the prominent (connected) militias. The report will then say something like this...

"Adding to the tensions, the bodies of six soldiers were found in the morning dumped on the outskirts of the city, shot through the forehead and their hands cuffed"

[link to www.theblaze.com]

Don't know who the "connected" militias are? Ask a "connected" Libyan...
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US envoy Susan Rice admits Benghazi attack error

A US diplomat hotly tipped to replace Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has admitted releasing incorrect information after September's attack on the American consulate in Libya.

UN Ambassador Susan Rice said there had been no attempt to mislead the public, but Republicans were unconvinced.

After meeting Ms Rice on Tuesday, senators said they were troubled.

The envoy said her initial line that the Benghazi attack appeared to have sprung from a protest had been wrong

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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Fact:

The CIA was - and is - arming jihadists for use in Syria. Libyan CIA terror assets were being given arms and training. Stevens was the 'on site' facilitator of it all. Petraeus went there to check up on the op.

Then Stevens got taken out by forces sent by other geopolitical forces.

It wasn't 'al qaeda'.

That's just a smokescreen.

All the US's plans and their assets are going up in smoke.

The rest is just a PR scramble to hide the fact that they are all going down and shitting their pants. Who will be next...

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