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| Saddletramp Offer Upgrade  User ID: 736969  Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even a total ban on guns wouldn't work, because who would that ban really effect?!?!? Only people who bought their guns lawfully and legally...again, just giving the advantage to the criminal... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| train User ID: 3582303 United States12/20/2012 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.) He stole the guns he used. He attempted to buy one of his own, but was denied. Where did you find this? I need it for an argument I'm losing. When the law no longer protects you from the corrupt, but protects the corrupt from you--You know your nation is doomed. Ayn Rand |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.) He stole the guns he used. He attempted to buy one of his own, but was denied. Quoting: train Where did you find this? I need it for an argument I'm losing. [link to www.latimes.com] "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.) He stole the guns he used. He attempted to buy one of his own, but was denied. Quoting: train Where did you find this? I need it for an argument I'm losing. [link to www.latimes.com] Here's the article that talks about him stealing her guns then using them on her... [link to imgace.com] "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| train User ID: 3582303 United States12/20/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.) He stole the guns he used. He attempted to buy one of his own, but was denied. Quoting: train Where did you find this? I need it for an argument I'm losing. [link to www.latimes.com] Thanks, now back in the fray. When the law no longer protects you from the corrupt, but protects the corrupt from you--You know your nation is doomed. Ayn Rand |
| Monk Meat User ID: 23229603 United States12/20/2012 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's very possible that big pharma is helping to push this "anti-gun" thing along, using guns as a scapegoat for what the REAL problem is....BIG PHARMA and how they've been drugging the shit out of these kids for the past 20-30 years! That's just my opinion though. |
| Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States12/20/2012 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's very possible that big pharma is helping to push this "anti-gun" thing along, using guns as a scapegoat for what the REAL problem is....BIG PHARMA and how they've been drugging the shit out of these kids for the past 20-30 years! Quoting: Monk Meat That's just my opinion though. I think that Obamacare provides the government with a way to determine who has had any history with mental illness and are they a gun owner or do they live with a gun owner. If your child has a mental disorder and is under 18, they may come after your right to bear arms. That may be where all this is going... The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's very possible that big pharma is helping to push this "anti-gun" thing along, using guns as a scapegoat for what the REAL problem is....BIG PHARMA and how they've been drugging the shit out of these kids for the past 20-30 years! Quoting: Monk Meat That's just my opinion though. I agree incidentally, there's an entire generation of kids out there put on psychiatric snake oil by quack doctors simply because their parents didn't have the time to be parents, or the kid was just a little out of the mainstream norm, so some teacher convinced the parents (who were told, it's a disease) to put their kids on these drugs, while being told they were safe and effective. A large percentage, too large a percentage, or these kids and young men are ticking time bombs... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's very possible that big pharma is helping to push this "anti-gun" thing along, using guns as a scapegoat for what the REAL problem is....BIG PHARMA and how they've been drugging the shit out of these kids for the past 20-30 years! Quoting: Monk Meat That's just my opinion though. I think that Obamacare provides the government with a way to determine who has had any history with mental illness and are they a gun owner or do they live with a gun owner. If your child has a mental disorder and is under 18, they may come after your right to bear arms. That may be where all this is going... Agreed there too, I think the Obamacare provisions that require sending your medical information to the government will be used against people who have had a little depression or dependency problems in the past...or if there kids have been diagnosed with ADHD or something similar... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| No one Died Period User ID: 10920814 United States12/20/2012 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ALL WRONG! Look guys, here's the bottom line on the Newtown, CT Shootings. Adam Lanza broke at least three laws before he ever shot the first person in that school. Did those laws stop him? Of course not, the thing about criminals, is they usually ignore the law!!! Quoting: Saddletramp Here are the laws he broke before he ever shot the first person in that school. 1.) He stole the guns he used. He attempted to buy one of his own, but was denied. 2.) He shot and killed his mother. 3.) He took guns into a "Gun Free" zone. So the laws didn't stop him. And anything presently being proposed, or about to be proposed, in Congress would not have stopped him. So what's the point of all this reactionary thinking then? It's has nothing to do with preventing shootings like this, and everything to do with exploiting the victims of shootings like this for a political agenda. You see, spree shooters love "Gun Free" zones. The Ft. Hood Shooter, The Batman Shooter, now the Sandy Hook Shooter, all had high body counts because there was no one there with a weapon to stop them, all because criminals ignored the law that said they couldn't bring a weapon into this "Gun Free" zone, and law abiding people paid attention to that law. All "Gun Free" zones do is give the advantage to the criminal. Then look at the Laughner shooting, and the Portland Mall Shooting, both could have been infinitely worse cases, but both were stopped by a citizen or citizens with a gun. The key to this problem is to stop being reactionary in your thinking. Be realistic, will you make matters worse? Or will you grasp the REAL solution that is right there in front of your face. Millions are grasping the real solution as we speak, they're buying up guns at a staggering pace. Stop letting an agenda that you have no part in drive your life, stop letting the MSM lead you around by your nose. Start thinking about real world solutions for real world problems... THE real BOttom LIne not this Refried LIE No one DIED |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ALL WRONG! Quoting: No one Died Period 10920814 Look guys, here's the bottom line on the Newtown, CT Shootings. Adam Lanza broke at least three laws before he ever shot the first person in that school. Did those laws stop him? Of course not, the thing about criminals, is they usually ignore the law!!! Quoting: Saddletramp Here are the laws he broke before he ever shot the first person in that school. 1.) He stole the guns he used. He attempted to buy one of his own, but was denied. 2.) He shot and killed his mother. 3.) He took guns into a "Gun Free" zone. So the laws didn't stop him. And anything presently being proposed, or about to be proposed, in Congress would not have stopped him. So what's the point of all this reactionary thinking then? It's has nothing to do with preventing shootings like this, and everything to do with exploiting the victims of shootings like this for a political agenda. You see, spree shooters love "Gun Free" zones. The Ft. Hood Shooter, The Batman Shooter, now the Sandy Hook Shooter, all had high body counts because there was no one there with a weapon to stop them, all because criminals ignored the law that said they couldn't bring a weapon into this "Gun Free" zone, and law abiding people paid attention to that law. All "Gun Free" zones do is give the advantage to the criminal. Then look at the Laughner shooting, and the Portland Mall Shooting, both could have been infinitely worse cases, but both were stopped by a citizen or citizens with a gun. The key to this problem is to stop being reactionary in your thinking. Be realistic, will you make matters worse? Or will you grasp the REAL solution that is right there in front of your face. Millions are grasping the real solution as we speak, they're buying up guns at a staggering pace. Stop letting an agenda that you have no part in drive your life, stop letting the MSM lead you around by your nose. Start thinking about real world solutions for real world problems... THE real BOttom LIne not this Refried LIE No one DIED Look with all the inconsitencies in the Media accounts of the shooting and the simple nature of this small military/CIA/NSA/DARPA oriented town there are bound to be some wild conspiracy theories out there. But frankly this one is pretty damn wild... I do think this guys "unusual" behavior and this families unusual past do bear discussion...but to say it didn't happen at all just because this guy is a 1/4 bubble off plumb is kindof an affront everyone affected by this thing... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 12/20/2012 01:55 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States12/20/2012 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed there too, I think the Obamacare provisions that require sending your medical information to the government will be used against people who have had a little depression or dependency problems in the past...or if there kids have been diagnosed with ADHD or something similar... Quoting: Saddletramp Exactly. That is how they will begin their 'confiscation' law enforcement activity. The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
| Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States12/20/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed there too, I think the Obamacare provisions that require sending your medical information to the government will be used against people who have had a little depression or dependency problems in the past...or if there kids have been diagnosed with ADHD or something similar... Quoting: Saddletramp Exactly. That is how they will begin their 'confiscation' law enforcement activity. I wonder if it will be enforced by ATF swat style raids? The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
| CtYankee User ID: 30129105 United States12/20/2012 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even a total ban on guns wouldn't work, because who would that ban really effect?!?!? Quoting: Saddletramp Only people who bought their guns lawfully and legally...again, just giving the advantage to the criminal... yup...I can see some nut way out in the hills of Wyoming hiding his few weapons....then 20 years from now...they believe they have all the guns....then BAM..The guy go nuts and uses his guns in a gun free world!!! BE REAL.....300 million weapons out there....how long do you think getting them "back" would take??????? CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed there too, I think the Obamacare provisions that require sending your medical information to the government will be used against people who have had a little depression or dependency problems in the past...or if there kids have been diagnosed with ADHD or something similar... Quoting: Saddletramp Exactly. That is how they will begin their 'confiscation' law enforcement activity. I wonder if it will be enforced by ATF swat style raids? I think they will also try to get gun registration or back door registration through records kept by licenced dealers to database this and cross reference your medical records... Then you will see AFT Swat Style Raids... In the meantime watch for them trying to give weapons to para-police groups like TSA, FEMACorp, and Americorp... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| CtYankee User ID: 30129105 United States12/20/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just think anyone honest with themselves can see we are way past ever getting rid of "guns" in the US.....arm the teachers and make more people own guns! CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
| Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States12/20/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think they will also try to get gun registration or back door registration through records kept by licenced dealers to database this and cross reference your medical records... Quoting: Saddletramp Then you will see AFT Swat Style Raids... In the meantime watch for them trying to give weapons to para-police groups like TSA, FEMACorp, and Americorp... Yeah I was pondering that. Would the 'confiscation' enforcement be another new federal bureaucracy or would it be added to the mandate of an existing one? I'm thinking the ATF would get it over the TSA. And they would use the 'Fusion' centers to coordinate with state and local authorities. The TSA already has a lot of pushback. Last Edited by Jonny Blaze on 12/20/2012 02:03 PM The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even a total ban on guns wouldn't work, because who would that ban really effect?!?!? Quoting: Saddletramp Only people who bought their guns lawfully and legally...again, just giving the advantage to the criminal... yup...I can see some nut way out in the hills of Wyoming hiding his few weapons....then 20 years from now...they believe they have all the guns....then BAM..The guy go nuts and uses his guns in a gun free world!!! BE REAL.....300 million weapons out there....how long do you think getting them "back" would take??????? It's not just the 300 Million...there is a whole black market for guns in Cities Like Washington D.C., Chicago, New York, and Detroit...all cities that make private ownership of guns almost impossible, yet have terrible gun violence rates...go figure! And of course the MSM won't talk about these nights in Chicago or Detroit where ten or fifteen people are killed in a night...after all they are pushing an agenda, and the fact that these cities with draconian gun laws have such high gun violence rates brings the entire agenda into question... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 12/20/2012 02:05 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| CtYankee User ID: 30129105 United States12/20/2012 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think a big step would Obama voiding all gun sales and all federal licenses to sell them Also any and all advertising of guns.....keep what you have but you may have no more and you may no longer sell what you have or buy any ammo either....just for starts!! Last Edited by CtYankee on 12/20/2012 02:05 PM CtYankee "If at first you don't succeed, erase all evidence that you tried." -anonymous -Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1972- Never met anyone important enough to lie to..... |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Agenda that the Left and MSM are pushing requires two things, that the people be afraid, and that a lie is represented as the truth... Not saying we're winning this battle, but I think they really thought they would be further along with this than they are... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 12/20/2012 02:14 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| ZeuZ User ID: 30242197 United States12/20/2012 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even a total ban on guns wouldn't work, because who would that ban really effect?!?!? Quoting: Saddletramp Only people who bought their guns lawfully and legally...again, just giving the advantage to the criminal... yup...I can see some nut way out in the hills of Wyoming hiding his few weapons....then 20 years from now...they believe they have all the guns....then BAM..The guy go nuts and uses his guns in a gun free world!!! BE REAL.....300 million weapons out there....how long do you think getting them "back" would take??????? The real question is how much would it cost a government that is already 15 trillion in debt. How do they propose to pay for all of this? Fire up those printing presses. We have police that need manipulating. Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow, you may die. |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even a total ban on guns wouldn't work, because who would that ban really effect?!?!? Quoting: Saddletramp Only people who bought their guns lawfully and legally...again, just giving the advantage to the criminal... yup...I can see some nut way out in the hills of Wyoming hiding his few weapons....then 20 years from now...they believe they have all the guns....then BAM..The guy go nuts and uses his guns in a gun free world!!! BE REAL.....300 million weapons out there....how long do you think getting them "back" would take??????? The real question is how much would it cost a government that is already 15 trillion in debt. How do they propose to pay for all of this? Fire up those printing presses. We have police that need manipulating. All of America is constantly manipulated... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States12/20/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What do you make of this? [link to www.youtube.com] The guy found in the woods wearing camo pants is supposedly the father of a child that survived the shooting? The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
| Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 736969 Puerto Rico12/20/2012 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saddle... Quoting: Jonny Blaze What do you make of this? [link to www.youtube.com] The guy found in the woods wearing camo pants is supposedly the father of a child that survived the shooting? Like most things, we will never know the entire story here. There are so many "coincidences" about this thing, and I, like God, don't believe in coincidences or play with dice... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
| Jonny Blaze User ID: 22472711 United States12/20/2012 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (at 2:37) "You'd think after the thousands of people I have seen shot I could answer that question." The county coroner from a sleepy town in Connecticut has examined thousands of shooting victims? Was he in Nam? The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank." The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects. The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard. The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16547769  Canada12/20/2012 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's very possible that big pharma is helping to push this "anti-gun" thing along, using guns as a scapegoat for what the REAL problem is....BIG PHARMA and how they've been drugging the shit out of these kids for the past 20-30 years! Quoting: Monk Meat That's just my opinion though. Psycho drugs are the real problem .. not guns !! TRUTH THIS |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30234110 United States12/20/2012 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real bottom line is how can his barber show his face after such a bad hair cut? And why isn't the media asking this man how he could let someone have that hairstyle in the new millenium? [link to www.cnn.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30422424  United Kingdom12/20/2012 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just think anyone honest with themselves can see we are way past ever getting rid of "guns" in the US.....arm the teachers and make more people own guns! Quoting: CtYankee Kennesaw, GA, should be the model for all US townships. The head of a household MUST own at least one firearm, and the ammo it requires! |
