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Judge Finally Rules on "Mark of the Beast"

 
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What do they want to chip us for anyway? Are we prey?

I don't think it is the mark of the beast, but I do believe it is a violation of my right to be secure in my person. If I am being hunted down shouldn't I feel as if the hunter does not simply want to 'observe' me?
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No, we are not prey, we are cattle in their eyes. Minions led to the slaughter. Do as I say or die mentality.
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Mine would keep getting broken, dang it.

Throw it in the microwave and hit that badge with a hammer. Don't know why it started malfunctioning. . .
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I was under the impression that the school said they would remove the chip, but the would provide no proof that it had been removed. In other words, they girl really wouldn't know if she were being tracked or not.

And doesn't that bible say that anyone who willingly and knowingly takes the mark of the beast will be punished? So if she took it unwillingly or without her knowledge wouldn't that exempt her?

Don't get me wrong, I hate what is happening to our liberties in the US, but if you don't want your child having to face these things then the only answer is homeschooling. The supreme court has already ruled that once you drop your kid off at school or put them on a bus then they are a ward of the state, and your parental rights are suspended.
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"It would be alike wearisome and useless to enumerate even the more prominent applications made of the Apocalypse. Racial hatred and religious rancour have at all times found in its vision much suitable and gratifying matter. Such persons as Mohammed, the Pope, Napoleon, etc., have in turn been identified with the beast and the harlot. To the "reformers" particularly the Apocalypse was an inexhaustible quarry where to dig for invectives that they might hurl then against the Roman hierarchy. The seven hills of Rome, the scarlet robes of the cardinals, and the unfortunate abuses of the papal court made the application easy and tempting. Owing to the patient and strenuous research of scholars, the interpretation of the Apocalypse has been transferred to a field free from the odium theologicum. But then the meaning of the Seer is determined by the rules of common exegesis. Apart from the resurrection, the millennium, and the plagues preceding the final consummation, they see in his visions references to the leading events of his time. Their method of interpretation may be called historic as compared with the theological and political application of former ages. The key to the mysteries of the book they find in 17:8-14. For thus says the Seer: "Let here the mind that hath understanding give heed".


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 Quoting: K.Kool


This is a great observation. The thing I find weird about The Book is the number 6. Most contributions to the Bible were written a while back, and the Revelation speaks of the mark of the Beast - 666, which is the foundation of the Universal Product Code today - self fulfilling prophecy? How could the Authors have known? Six is a number that is easily divisible and it makes sense to use it in the current global economy. But how did these ancients know what an important part this number would play almost 2000 odd years later? I don't believe in ghosts, or spirits, or voodoo, or the Easter Bunny but I believe in the connection between this number and present commerce - I can't help but see it...it's like seeing a ghost. The Bible has it right in this case, but How?
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"It would be alike wearisome and useless to enumerate even the more prominent applications made of the Apocalypse. Racial hatred and religious rancour have at all times found in its vision much suitable and gratifying matter. Such persons as Mohammed, the Pope, Napoleon, etc., have in turn been identified with the beast and the harlot. To the "reformers" particularly the Apocalypse was an inexhaustible quarry where to dig for invectives that they might hurl then against the Roman hierarchy. The seven hills of Rome, the scarlet robes of the cardinals, and the unfortunate abuses of the papal court made the application easy and tempting. Owing to the patient and strenuous research of scholars, the interpretation of the Apocalypse has been transferred to a field free from the odium theologicum. But then the meaning of the Seer is determined by the rules of common exegesis. Apart from the resurrection, the millennium, and the plagues preceding the final consummation, they see in his visions references to the leading events of his time. Their method of interpretation may be called historic as compared with the theological and political application of former ages. The key to the mysteries of the book they find in 17:8-14. For thus says the Seer: "Let here the mind that hath understanding give heed".


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 Quoting: K.Kool


This is a great observation. The thing I find weird about The Book is the number 6. Most contributions to the Bible were written a while back, and the Revelation speaks of the mark of the Beast - 666, which is the foundation of the Universal Product Code today - self fulfilling prophecy? How could the Authors have known? Six is a number that is easily divisible and it makes sense to use it in the current global economy. But how did these ancients know what an important part this number would play almost 2000 odd years later? I don't believe in ghosts, or spirits, or voodoo, or the Easter Bunny but I believe in the connection between this number and present commerce - I can't help but see it...it's like seeing a ghost. The Bible has it right in this case, but How?
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer



The 666 belongs in the past as well -

"The Seer has marked the beast with the number 666. His purpose was that by this number people may know it. He that has understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. A human number, i.e. intelligible by the common rules of investigation. We have here an instance of Jewish gematria. Its object is to conceal a name by substituting for it a cipher of equal numerical value to the letters composing it. For a long time interpreters tried to decipher the number 666 by means of the Greek alphabet, e.g. Irenæus, Against Heresies V.33. Their efforts have yielded no satisfactory result. Better success has been obtained by using the Hebrew alphabet. Many scholars have come to the conclusion that Nero is meant. For when the name "Nero Caesar" is spelled with Hebrew letters, it yields the cipher 666."


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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
 Quoting: WendyWho


Because some one is telling you you have to do it. I would home school. If all the parents took their children out of the school in protest, the school would have to back down or loose its money. The courts should not be invoked. If you want you rights to be upheld don't be apart of the system.

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These people, all talking shit about NOT getting this mark.

You know you're going to be brainwashed into it - just like your guns and Sandy Hook.

I mean, why did no one want to give their guns away after Columbine?


Don't worry - when a few white kids start to go missing, and a few are found thanks to RFID...You'll opt in.

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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
 Quoting: WendyWho


Because some one is telling you you have to do it. I would home school. If all the parents took their children out of the school in protest, the school would have to back down or loose its money. The courts should not be invoked. If you want you rights to be upheld don't be invoked in the system.
 Quoting: nzreva


Yea, let me quit my job that's supporting a family to school a child that will likely be tainted by thousands of poisons to corrupt their mind, body, and soul before the age of 5.

Idiot!

Let's fucking break the system instead and work towards a REAL future for ALL of us...Not just those who have more opportunities.
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This is an RFID chip inside a wrist band
Similar to what most people have inside their new credit cards

personally don't believe that the RFID chip is the mark of the beast
However I don't think anyone should have their privacy Invaded which any sort of microchip tracking device would be.

So I personally wouldn't accept the RFID chip, but nor do I accept it's That is "the Mark of The Beast" as that will be something that attacks Gods Laws and sets up false "enforced worship".
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Hey mate, you have UPC code down under? I know you do. Find a large one, now look at the first two lines, the middle two lines and the last two lines. They represent three score, six hundred and 6.
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We call em' Barcodes and yes your absolutely right.
 Quoting: >>KiLLUMiNATi<< 18311386


I completely agree that the RFID tracking Bullshit is a violation of privacy. But to say that it's the "mark of the beast" is just lame. You can all look it up your selves and you'll find that the mark is IN the right hand and IN the forehead.
 Quoting: Chip


Chip it is not lame to the girl and her parents, I believe we have a right to be able to refuse any thing forced on us to wear from a system. That is not lame.
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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
 Quoting: WendyWho


Look at it this way. Say a person is a vegan and doesn't believe in eating or wearing a dead animal, such as a fur. Now consider that the person is forced to wear a fur coat (although they have been given a waiver that it can be a fake fur) whenever they go to school.

Now, everyone else is wearing a real fur coat and the vegan is wearing a fake one, HOWEVER, any onlooker would assume all the students are wearing real fur coats and have no issues with supporting the raising and slaughter of animals.
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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear RFID Tracker Loses Lawsuit

A Texas high school student who claimed her student identification was the “Mark of the Beast” because it was implanted with a radio-frequency identification chip has lost her federal court bid Tuesday challenging her suspension for refusing to wear the card around her neck.

Sophomore Andrea Hernandez was notified in November by the Northside Independent School District in San Antonio that she won’t be able to continue attending John Jay High School unless she wears the badge around her neck. The district said the girl, who objects largely on religious grounds, would have to attend another high school that does not employ the RFID tags.

She sued, a judge tentatively halted the suspension, but changed course Tuesday after concluding that the 15-year-old’s right of religion was not breached. That’s because the district eventually agreed to accommodate the girl and allow her to remove the RFID chip while still demanding that she wear the identification like the other students.

The Hernandez family claims the badge and its chip signifies Satan, or the “Mark of the Beast” warning in Revelations 13:16-18. The girl refused the district’s offer, sued, and was represented by the Rutherford Institute.

Read Judge's Ruling Here:

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Tagging school children with RFID chips is uncommon, but not new. A federally funded preschool in Richmond, California, began embedding RFID chips in students’ clothing in 2010.

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 Quoting: DoorBert


The "supposed" Mark-of-the-beast, is a mark or identification ON YOUR BODY, non-removable such as tattoo's or implanted RFID. I may not agree with the RFID chip to track students outside of school, but in school, I think it is a good idea. It can be removed after school, left in a locker or whatever "hopefully" and that is it.

I chip in the body, if a whole different story, and I am totally against that.
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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
 Quoting: WendyWho


Because some one is telling you you have to do it. I would home school. If all the parents took their children out of the school in protest, the school would have to back down or loose its money. The courts should not be invoked. If you want you rights to be upheld don't be invoked in the system.
 Quoting: nzreva


Yea, let me quit my job that's supporting a family to school a child that will likely be tainted by thousands of poisons to corrupt their mind, body, and soul before the age of 5.

Idiot!

Let's fucking break the system instead and work towards a REAL future for ALL of us...Not just those who have more opportunities.
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So you love you job more than you children and freedom. I did that I stayed home and homeschooled 3 boys who sometimes choose to go to school and sometimes stayed home. I gave up a lot to do that.
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Mine would keep getting broken, dang it.

Throw it in the microwave and hit that badge with a hammer. Don't know why it started malfunctioning. . .
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Just give them a hint of your non compliant nature......
They will dispose of you quick....

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In general, our DUI attorneys would advise anyone who has been released on the condition of wearing one of these devices not to tamper with it. Not only will it likely result in your re-arrest, you may possibly even face additional charges.
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What is next that we will be FORCED to accept? I know I sound like many of the other posters, but this is what is truly upsetting me.

The whole 9/11 thing ushered in every assault on our freedoms, that one can't even imagine at this point. And to some this sounds like NO BIG DEAL.

Why, in the event of a catastrophe - whether real or faux - she will be able to be identified. What the foo are they planning anyway?

So, we all settle down with this and nod yes, it's for our own good.

Reminds me of those little blue numbers concentration campers had on their forearms...right?

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I was under the impression that the school said they would remove the chip, but the would provide no proof that it had been removed. In other words, they girl really wouldn't know if she were being tracked or not.

And doesn't that bible say that anyone who willingly and knowingly takes the mark of the beast will be punished? So if she took it unwillingly or without her knowledge wouldn't that exempt her?

Don't get me wrong, I hate what is happening to our liberties in the US, but if you don't want your child having to face these things then the only answer is homeschooling. The supreme court has already ruled that once you drop your kid off at school or put them on a bus then they are a ward of the state, and your parental rights are suspended.
 Quoting: Dominus


Ok, under your agrument, do you have a drivers license or Social security card? Credit card? Same as a school ID, so I guess you are fucked, you took the mark of the beast and are damned to hell. Have fun with that.

Good lord people take this shit too far. It is more like, Mexican girl attempts to get rich suing school district "and fails".
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We call em' Barcodes and yes your absolutely right.
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I completely agree that the RFID tracking Bullshit is a violation of privacy. But to say that it's the "mark of the beast" is just lame. You can all look it up your selves and you'll find that the mark is IN the right hand and IN the forehead.
 Quoting: Chip


Chip it is not lame to the girl and her parents, I believe we have a right to be able to refuse any thing forced on us to wear from a system. That is not lame.
 Quoting: nzreva


Home schooling is the answer. We all know all governments are run by the beast...get the hell away from them. It's not rocket science.
 Quoting: Chip


hf
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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
 Quoting: WendyWho


Because some one is telling you you have to do it. I would home school. If all the parents took their children out of the school in protest, the school would have to back down or loose its money. The courts should not be invoked. If you want you rights to be upheld don't be invoked in the system.
 Quoting: nzreva


Yea, let me quit my job that's supporting a family to school a child that will likely be tainted by thousands of poisons to corrupt their mind, body, and soul before the age of 5.

Idiot!

Let's fucking break the system instead and work towards a REAL future for ALL of us...Not just those who have more opportunities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


So you love you job more than you children and freedom. I did that I stayed home and homeschooled 3 boys who sometimes choose to go to school and sometimes stayed home. I gave up a lot to do that.
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Did you live on welfare while homeschooling???
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Because some one is telling you you have to do it. I would home school. If all the parents took their children out of the school in protest, the school would have to back down or loose its money. The courts should not be invoked. If you want you rights to be upheld don't be invoked in the system.
 Quoting: nzreva


Yea, let me quit my job that's supporting a family to school a child that will likely be tainted by thousands of poisons to corrupt their mind, body, and soul before the age of 5.

Idiot!

Let's fucking break the system instead and work towards a REAL future for ALL of us...Not just those who have more opportunities.
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So you love you job more than you children and freedom. I did that I stayed home and homeschooled 3 boys who sometimes choose to go to school and sometimes stayed home. I gave up a lot to do that.
 Quoting: nzreva


Did you live on welfare while homeschooling???
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


No I did not, just lived on less money. Why do people have children then farm them out. They are yours they should be a reflection of who you are, not of a system of people who don't care about them, who are taking a pay check to teach them their ideas not yours.

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We call em' Barcodes and yes your absolutely right.
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I completely agree that the RFID tracking Bullshit is a violation of privacy. But to say that it's the "mark of the beast" is just lame. You can all look it up your selves and you'll find that the mark is IN the right hand and IN the forehead.
 Quoting: Chip


Chip it is not lame to the girl and her parents, I believe we have a right to be able to refuse any thing forced on us to wear from a system. That is not lame.
 Quoting: nzreva


Home schooling is the answer. We all know all governments are run by the beast...get the hell away from them. It's not rocket science.
 Quoting: Chip


I agree with homeschooling, my wife does it, but I don't agree with living on welfare to homeschool. I think kids who are homeschooled turn out much less tainted and better educated. I am not against that. Just saying, if you can "afford" to homeschool, go for it. Don't make me pay for you to live, while you homeschool....Not that much to ask I think.
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We use to have to wear our ID badges in school. BUt no one did anyways lmao. Then the staff gave up enforcing it. So unless these kids are good two shoes then i dont see majority wearing them or taking them home.
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Yea, let me quit my job that's supporting a family to school a child that will likely be tainted by thousands of poisons to corrupt their mind, body, and soul before the age of 5.

Idiot!

Let's fucking break the system instead and work towards a REAL future for ALL of us...Not just those who have more opportunities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


So you love you job more than you children and freedom. I did that I stayed home and homeschooled 3 boys who sometimes choose to go to school and sometimes stayed home. I gave up a lot to do that.
 Quoting: nzreva


Did you live on welfare while homeschooling???
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No I did not, just lived on less money.
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That's the point man!

Not enough people have enough money to even live on less money with no job, or less hours to help school their kids.

We need a complete do-over of the system to fix this.
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Yea, let me quit my job that's supporting a family to school a child that will likely be tainted by thousands of poisons to corrupt their mind, body, and soul before the age of 5.

Idiot!

Let's fucking break the system instead and work towards a REAL future for ALL of us...Not just those who have more opportunities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


So you love you job more than you children and freedom. I did that I stayed home and homeschooled 3 boys who sometimes choose to go to school and sometimes stayed home. I gave up a lot to do that.
 Quoting: nzreva


Did you live on welfare while homeschooling???
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


No I did not, just lived on less money.
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Good for you. I think everyone should do that, kids would turn out much better. They do actually. My 6 year old reads at a third grade level because my wife is a great mother/teacher.

BTW, I was not being mean, I was simply making a point. Hope I did not offend.
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We call em' Barcodes and yes your absolutely right.
 Quoting: >>KiLLUMiNATi<< 18311386


I completely agree that the RFID tracking Bullshit is a violation of privacy. But to say that it's the "mark of the beast" is just lame. You can all look it up your selves and you'll find that the mark is IN the right hand and IN the forehead.
 Quoting: Chip


Chip it is not lame to the girl and her parents, I believe we have a right to be able to refuse any thing forced on us to wear from a system. That is not lame.
 Quoting: nzreva


Home schooling is the answer. We all know all governments are run by the beast...get the hell away from them. It's not rocket science.
 Quoting: Chip


hf from me, too.
HOMESCHOOL! I did and it was good.

It is the FORCING part of the band that gets me. Not the chip itself...yet.

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So you love you job more than you children and freedom. I did that I stayed home and homeschooled 3 boys who sometimes choose to go to school and sometimes stayed home. I gave up a lot to do that.
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Did you live on welfare while homeschooling???
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


No I did not, just lived on less money.
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That's the point man!

Not enough people have enough money to even live on less money with no job, or less hours to help school their kids.

We need a complete do-over of the system to fix this.
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You are the victim? I dont think so, you decided to have children, not the Gov. The Gov school is not responsible for you, you are.
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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
 Quoting: WendyWho


Because some one is telling you you have to do it. I would home school. If all the parents took their children out of the school in protest, the school would have to back down or loose its money. The courts should not be invoked. If you want you rights to be upheld don't be apart of the system.
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People tell you that you have to wear a wristband to show you paid admission, too. I'm not talking about the school as a whole, I'm talking about that girl in particular. Her issue was with the chip. They said they would remove her chip.

I agree that it's a total invasion of privacy - but if they were hoping to fight the entire RFID system being implemented at the school, they should have had a better case to present. Mark of the beast wouldn't have been my go-to case against it.
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Mine would keep getting broken, dang it.

Throw it in the microwave and hit that badge with a hammer. Don't know why it started malfunctioning. . .
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Just give them a hint of your non compliant nature......
They will dispose of you quick....

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In general, our DUI attorneys would advise anyone who has been released on the condition of wearing one of these devices not to tamper with it. Not only will it likely result in your re-arrest, you may possibly even face additional charges.
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In Ft. Lauderdale, you would face additional charges.

Come here for vacation
Leave here on probation

Freakin 17th judicial circus
Lips Of Lucifer

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"It would be alike wearisome and useless to enumerate even the more prominent applications made of the Apocalypse. Racial hatred and religious rancour have at all times found in its vision much suitable and gratifying matter. Such persons as Mohammed, the Pope, Napoleon, etc., have in turn been identified with the beast and the harlot. To the "reformers" particularly the Apocalypse was an inexhaustible quarry where to dig for invectives that they might hurl then against the Roman hierarchy. The seven hills of Rome, the scarlet robes of the cardinals, and the unfortunate abuses of the papal court made the application easy and tempting. Owing to the patient and strenuous research of scholars, the interpretation of the Apocalypse has been transferred to a field free from the odium theologicum. But then the meaning of the Seer is determined by the rules of common exegesis. Apart from the resurrection, the millennium, and the plagues preceding the final consummation, they see in his visions references to the leading events of his time. Their method of interpretation may be called historic as compared with the theological and political application of former ages. The key to the mysteries of the book they find in 17:8-14. For thus says the Seer: "Let here the mind that hath understanding give heed".


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This is a great observation. The thing I find weird about The Book is the number 6. Most contributions to the Bible were written a while back, and the Revelation speaks of the mark of the Beast - 666, which is the foundation of the Universal Product Code today - self fulfilling prophecy? How could the Authors have known? Six is a number that is easily divisible and it makes sense to use it in the current global economy. But how did these ancients know what an important part this number would play almost 2000 odd years later? I don't believe in ghosts, or spirits, or voodoo, or the Easter Bunny but I believe in the connection between this number and present commerce - I can't help but see it...it's like seeing a ghost. The Bible has it right in this case, but How?
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The 666 belongs in the past as well -

"The Seer has marked the beast with the number 666. His purpose was that by this number people may know it. He that has understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. A human number, i.e. intelligible by the common rules of investigation. We have here an instance of Jewish gematria. Its object is to conceal a name by substituting for it a cipher of equal numerical value to the letters composing it. For a long time interpreters tried to decipher the number 666 by means of the Greek alphabet, e.g. Irenæus, Against Heresies V.33. Their efforts have yielded no satisfactory result. Better success has been obtained by using the Hebrew alphabet. Many scholars have come to the conclusion that Nero is meant. For when the name "Nero Caesar" is spelled with Hebrew letters, it yields the cipher 666."


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 Quoting: K.Kool


I understand a lot of what you are saying, but some of it is way above me. There is this girl in Religious Instruction whose Mom is a Damn Good Christian, as she calls her. She put forward the Idea that the Beast is a Corporation. We see the Multinationals giving their creations 'Human status'; which are just Financial entities with the same, or even more rights, than real people. I won't go into her whole Schpieel, but she believes that that beast is border-less and multifaceted: a untraceable commercial network of evil men with many heads under one controlling body - a 'wounded' or corrupt Head. People who don't know her call her a witch - this in the 22nd century. There is more to our world than we are allowed to know, and I think it's unfair.
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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
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It's a slippery slope, that's why.
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Call me crazy, but why wouldn't she just agree to wear the ID without the chip? Isn't that the same as wearing a pink wristband or hand-stamp at a concert to show you paid admission? Seems a little over-board.
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Look at it this way. Say a person is a vegan and doesn't believe in eating or wearing a dead animal, such as a fur. Now consider that the person is forced to wear a fur coat (although they have been given a waiver that it can be a fake fur) whenever they go to school.

Now, everyone else is wearing a real fur coat and the vegan is wearing a fake one, HOWEVER, any onlooker would assume all the students are wearing real fur coats and have no issues with supporting the raising and slaughter of animals.
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I get the point you're trying to make, I just don't see how it applies. God would know she openly contested the RFID chip, or what she believes is the mark of the beast, and did not accept it.

A Christian looks like everyone else, sinner or not. But only the sinners will be punished, no?
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This is an RFID chip inside a wrist band
Similar to what most people have inside their new credit cards

personally don't believe that the RFID chip is the mark of the beast
However I don't think anyone should have their privacy Invaded which any sort of microchip tracking device would be.

So I personally wouldn't accept the RFID chip, but nor do I accept it's That is "the Mark of The Beast" as that will be something that attacks Gods Laws and sets up false "enforced worship".
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Hey mate, you have UPC code down under? I know you do. Find a large one, now look at the first two lines, the middle two lines and the last two lines. They represent three score, six hundred and 6.
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We call em' Barcodes and yes your absolutely right.
 Quoting: >>KiLLUMiNATi<< 18311386


I completely agree that the RFID tracking Bullshit is a violation of privacy.
But to say that it's the "mark of the beast" is just lame. You can all look it up your selves and you'll find that the mark is IN the right hand and IN the forehead.
 Quoting: Chip


This. I'm not so worried about it being a "Mark of the Beast" (though it's infringing on religious rights), but another very concerning thing...the schools now have the power to FORCE you to wear something. What else could they then do under this same power?





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