Smokers Screwed Again......

They used to smoke hundreds of years ago with zero cancer rates. Then big companies began mass producing cigarettes. he only way you can connect smoking to cancer is because the U.S. Government allows them to put 800 cancerous chemicals into the tobacco. so the Government itself is to blame. Just like they allow them to put all sorts of chemicals and pesticides into your food.

Government upped the taxes you pay when you buy cigarettes. In fact the taxes were run up so high that the Government makes more on every sell of cigarettes than the tobacco companies make. Those outrageous taxes were supposed to pay for people who they had to treat for smoking related illnesses that did not have insurance.

But they lied. Not one penny goes to paying for tobacco related illnesses. All that money goes into the general fund. and if they were concerned about the health of people addicted to tobacco then why did they not take some of that money and open up free clinics to help people stop smoking?

Do any of you seriously think they give a rat's ass if a lot of us die? Hell no and the more that die then they make money, they lose nothing because the more that die the less Social Security/medicare they have to pay.

They have been at war against smokers for a long time. You have to wonder why? It isn't because they care about us. I'm beginning to think it is because smoking might be good for you. Maybe it coats the lungs and the Chemtrail poisons cannot harm you.

When I say "cancer" they have you brainwashed to immediately think "smoking" but yet only 2 percent of all cancer cases are lung cancer. Half of those lung cancer cases have never smoked a cigarette in their lives. so I have to conclude that the U.S. Government again is nothing but a lying pack shits.


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they sure didn't go to all the hyperinflation causing national debt .

I wasn't referring to tobacco companies dipshit. I meant government. By allowing the sale of cigarettes and making profit off it, the government is just as guilty as the tobacco companies.

As for a socialized system in Canada, yes that's true. "Free" health care is a misnomer, but the system itself provides for all Canadians, and even Americans who can't afford their own medical bills and come to Canada where nobody, resident or not, is refused service.

Now here is someone with some brainpower. Good for u...:efz:

No it is not. Fuck you people are dumb.

australia?

$18 per pack.. and they just made all the packs almost a black color, which really tics off the staff selling them cause they all look the same!....


and before you all say... just give up.. it's not that bloody easy, it's still legal, and hey if you wanted to drive a racing car when you grew up... you had to smoke malborough..

these things were advertised by the greats and doctors as smooth and cool....

that's how they got me....

and you could buy a pack of 'fag's' which where lollies that were ciggies....

younger people today don't remember this.......

you could smoke at work, in a bus, in a plane... and no one cared.... shit, you could buy them at the chemist....

Thanks for entering this discussion. It is nice to have someone who thinks for themselves instead of government shills...who love to say over and over..."smoking is an evil ...smoking is costing me money...blah, blah, and more blah.

There is a direct correlation between smoking and numerous medical ailments.

There is no direct correlation between being black and having more health problems then whites. Although, they certainly are at higher risk for something like sickle cell.

The reason blacks have shorter life spans is because of poverty, not because they are black.

Someone seriously needs to go back to high school... and it certainly is not I.

"government shill"? No, I would like a hell of a lot less government. End medicare for one. See how all the old smokers will hold up then.

Government doesn't "make a profit off it", they generate tax revenue from it...

There is a huge difference. And the tax that smokers pay doesn't come close to the costs of their healthcare.

You simply are not thinking clearly and do not comprehend the ramifications of the open door through tobacco use creates and how ultimately will effect your life.

I believe this is simply a ploy to justify converge at an extreme cost and if you notice excessive taxation began with smokers, drinkers and automobile owners. Under the communist obama rendition of “healthcare”, those who through no fault of their own exceed this metered healthcare Ponzi scheme fall victim to having their savings, checking, retirement, gold purchases confiscated by the government to cover the costs of their healthcare.

Since obama is just a puppet for the UN and their Codex Alimentarius in which natural supplements and vitamins would be prohibited and ultimately if you wanted say vitamin D3 a doctor would have to prescribe it to you. Thus who is the fool?

Many herbs used for generations have been banned by the EU (except the UK) forcing people to grovel to doctors for prescriptions for items such as peppermint.

Although you are responding based upon your opinions without due, diligence to research do understand if smokers are demonized then eventually so will you.

FDA’s New Sneak Attack on Supplements
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EU Declares Peppermint a Controllable Herb
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"it's certainly not me" would be proper grammar, hotshot. You must have been drawing pictures of your liberal teacher and daydreaming about the time you shared underneath the bleachers while that lesson was going on (not I - what a maroon)

God, I find smug bastards insufferable. Stupid, sanctimonious, smug bastards even worse

Get rid of medicaid? Are you shilling for Soros or Club Kevorkian?

Smoking is drug addiction.

I was a drug addict for most my life.

Then I quit and I'm fucking happy as shit.

Just stop smoking...it isn't what you want to do anyway.

"End medicare"...are u kidding me? U are just a plain ole mean person...just plain ole mean.:arb:

No, I am just a capitalist and am all for ending the most costly social program in the country...

Anyone who complains about the debt should be for cutting medicare in some form or else they should just shut the fuck up.

I don't give a fuck what you call it. Profit/revenue... The government is double dipping, bottom line. As for the costs of "health care" in the US and the "revenue" from taxes, show me the numbers before you flap your gums around like a cheap hooker.

Either way, the numbers may not add up, but that's not the argument here. The fact they are discriminating against an unhealthy lifestyle choice and not others is one point, another is that they are making "revenue" on both ends of the spectrum.

I don't complain about debt. I spend my time taking care of my family. I know your kind...u are without compassion and kindness...sad for u.

lulz...

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Proper grammar is I... you can get away with me if you like... man.. just man, you people are so stupid.

And also mr. hotshot reading comprehension, I said get rid of medicare... but yea, medicaid too.

Well, there HAS to be some sort of test which would show nicotine in your system. It seems like just about every time I go to see my doctor they either take a couple of ampuoles of blood or have me pee in a cup. (What I'm saying is that they would have lots of "raw material" for one more little test - and how would I even know?)

And there IS a test called a "chem panel" which literally lists every chemical in your body along with the concentration levels.

Krystal, remember the old adage "pearls before the professed capitalist swine..."

This guy is as much a capitialist as Lenin and Marx were. He's a worker-bee clinging to some myth that markets (forget the evidence they're all rigged) rule over people. The worst kind of self-righteous wanker.

I don't think so, this is like a cross between their interests.

If they go after obese people and make them lose weight, there will be less money going into hospital visits, this is a no-go and big pharma has spent years making an obese and unhealthy society.

If they are made to pay a lot more for being obese, this also conflicts the fact that some people are overweight because of medical conditions that they cannot control.

Last Edited by Brad Daylight on 01/24/2013 11:28 PM

"Per capita lifetime expenditure is $316,600, a third higher for females ($361,200) than males ($268,700). Two-fifths of this difference owes to women's longer life expectancy. Nearly one-third of lifetime expenditures is incurred during middle age, and nearly half during the senior years. For survivors to age 85, more than one-third of their lifetime expenditures will accrue in their remaining years."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]





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"Since 1998, governments at all levels have collected more than $444 BILLION in cigarette taxes and payments from smokers."


I think you can do the math... or maybe you can't I dunno. FYI, medicare spending alone is projected to be almost 1 trillion dollars in 2020...

Can't wait until u get old and hungry on the streets.:ptm:

Still pissed you attempted to incorrectly, 'correct', my grammar?

You don't have the slightest fucking clue as to what you are talking about.

My economic principles are aligned with Lenin and Marx? Jesus dude, you really should have stayed in fucking school, or at least studied a bit.

"The reason blacks have shorter life spans is because of poverty, not because they are black."

Are they dieing of natural old age or chronic conditions? If it's chronic conditions then that would suggest it costs more to treat them within a healthcare system would it not?

Will never happen. I know how to be financially prudent. And besides I have a skill that will always be highly in demand and there will NEVER be too much of a supply of the service I provide.

look at all you progressive std infested pricks.

Actually, it would suggest that it costs more to cover someone with diabetes, considering that is the number one killer in minority communities.

Poverty=more fast food consumption=shorter lifespans

I am progressive now?