I'm going to say this once more - regarding the bible and Christianity

Q: What do you feel is the bigger obstacle to God's Kingdom: The "world", or hypocritical religion? Who is the bigger enemy, the sinner or the Pharisee?

Stop preaching, PLEASE! You might mean well, but you don't realize that you're preaching false doctrine. God is not a weak God who is limited by the actions of His creation. Everything is happening exactly as he ordained them to since before time began. God has made all thing for himself, even the wicked for the day of evil. .....does a trumpet blow in the city and the people are not afraid? Does evil occur in a city and the LORD hath not done it?
Don't diminish the absolute control and power of God.

Nobody can LET GOD earn their trust. We either belong to God from the beginning or we don't. WE Are either vessels of wrath fitted to destruction or e are vessels of mercy prepared unto glory.

No man can come to Jesus unless the Father DRAGS that man to him. There is no such thing as the ability for man to choose God and do right. We drink iniquity like water, and we will always choose evil. You are confused because some preacher told you that it was you that made the choice to follow Jesus. It wasn't your choice anymore than it was Paul's. Read the scriptures and learn these truths.

Well said indeed!

Do not speak of the Kingdom like you know. We are all born of God from the beginning. We are all his seed and His creation. Do not chastise your fellow man for great chastisement shall fall upon you. You might read the scriptures but your weakness of self has blinded your eyes. You drink not from the fountain of wisdom. I shall pray for you, and might you walk in uprightness. Deny the kingdom to any man, and I swear you shall deny that kingdom unto yourself.

(If I may interject, I think you two are actually on the same page)

Your logic lacks. Religion is the control mechanism.

And, we do not need to go into the bible. The whole premise is ridiculous.

God could manifest the universe but not its own bible. He had to have human transcribers.

God know everything that has happened and will happen but you still have free will?

God "knows" certain individuals will commit mortal sins and be punished by God, some say eternally, yet God created them to be punished.

God could not create perfect beings. He created flawed models that depending on your beliefs got either many chances to get it right or got one chance and pay for an eternity. Either way, why not just skip to the end when everyone is perfect?

God is needful of worship. Really a needful God?

Just try to make sense of it. It is not possible because it is made up stories to control the masses.

As if atheism doesn't control people... e.g. peer pressure. Ever watched atheists excoriate one of their own who "left the unfaith"?

Your logic lacks as well re. what God could or could not do. Consider the possibility that he didn't want to create a robot planet and spoon-feed people so they never grow up. He invented language so why not use it to communicate with us?

And there is no conflict between the knowledge of God and free will. Knowing what someone will do is not causing them to do it.

No, you're not trying at all to make sense of it. You're just repeating the material from sites like evilbible and infidels. For fun, I guess.

God didn't create us with the intention of punishing us. We brought it upon ourselves. But by being a just and loving God, he provided us all a way to salvation through his son Jesus Christ. We all have the free will to choose Christ and believe, or not.

Some would love to blame God for all that is wrong with the world. For choosing to save some and damn others. To those of you that buy into this I suggest you take a more serious look at scripture.

God, knowing the beginning from the end knows who will accept Christ's gift of pardon and those who will cast it aside and deny it. It's doesn't mean he has predestined some to eternal death and not others. it just means he knows who is headed where.

He's also left us to our own devices. He is letting us all reap what we have sown and by that is letting this world spiral out of control, to a point.

The time is coming soon when he will set his judgement upon us. Sooner than most here think. I plead with those that are angry or unbelieving to take a closer look. He has offered us a way to salvation. He hasn't doomed anyone to hell for eternity. He's offered quite the opposite. It just depends on whether or not you accept his offer.

As if atheism doesn't control people... e.g. peer pressure. Ever watched atheists excoriate one of their own who "left the unfaith"?

Your logic lacks as well re. what God could or could not do. Consider the possibility that he didn't want to create a robot planet and spoon-feed people so they never grow up. He invented language so why not use it to communicate with us?

And there is no conflict between the knowledge of God and free will. Knowing what someone will do is not causing them to do it.

No, you're not trying at all to make sense of it. You're just repeating the material from sites like evilbible and infidels. For fun, I guess.


Who said anything about atheism? Atheism is not the only opposition to the made up God stories. I do not consider myself an atheist.

On the language point. What? Also, who said anything about a robo planet. Is that the only possible alternative from your limited perspective? How about God is not paying attention to what you do or think. You matter not to God.

And, yes there is a conflict between the knowledge of God and freewill. If God already has the knowledge and creates you anyway, there is only the illusion of free will from your perspective. From God's perspective you do not have free will.

By the way you also assume so very much. I have never heard about evilbible or infidels. I have just over 45 years trying to make sense of it all. And, what you are expounding is age old BS.

Well put

God already knew some would be damned, according to your beliefs. And, he created them anyway. If true, that would be evil.

Jesus Christ is Santa Claus for adults. You get the greatest present of all (eternal salvation) if you just behave (accept JC as your saviour). Meanwhile the great and powerful OZ hides behind the curtain of reality until death.

I do not believe God had anything at all to do with this reality and what is right or wrong with it. There are other possibilities.

And, I reject the false mafia type offer.

The basic premise, as I understand it.

God offers you two doors. One door is labeled eternal salvation the other door is labeled eternal damnation.

You basically just have to walk through any door you want.

However, your loving creator will not show what is really behind each door. You must be endowed with the possibility of doubt.

Oh and by the way, God already knows which door you will walk through. How nice.

My expectations is that this is a completely false and idiotic premise. Maybe this is our reality (I really doubt it) but our creator would then be just a god. It could not be God.

Not really. In the end, every knee will bow and every tongue confess Him to the glory of God. When He said "If I be lifted up, I will drag all men unto me", He wasn't blowing smoke.



There's no such thing

dgl,

God would not mislead His beloved children. Holy Scripture
is inerrant. Not one word of Scripture, Old Testament or
New Testament conflicts with another if you follow Catholicism's interpretation. Read a Catholic Bible
and the footnotes. She Canonized Scripture, God gave her
the gift to interpret it.

http:/www.drbo.org/

Here is a message from Our Lord given Light of Mary, a
seer from Brazil. It is a translation.

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The Light of Mary
www.RevelacionesMarianas.com/



February 3rd, 2012

"Nature Already Awoke"

(Our Lord Jesus Christ)My Beloved People, I bless you:

EACH ONE OF YOU IS THE REASON FOR MY DELIVERY AND INFINITE LOVE ... EACH ONE. I shelter like a beggar to all standing on the edge of My way.

In this ongoing series of events, My kids are more blind than one who has no sight in his body.

I send whatever is necessary so you will be prepared:

My Own Body and Blood ...
My Word without deforming ...
My Prophet to announce what happens and pass ...
Constant signs so you have certainty of the approaching fulfillment of prophecy ...

Men remain rebelling as those in the past, which I must put in My order with Justice.

My will is that all be saved and to penetrate the unfathomable Mystery of My Love, but humanity does not adhere to this love so she does not find the way and the strength to get to Me, moving over obstacles everyday.

The world is not evil, the acts and deeds of mankind have deformed it, increasing evil in being and thus to the brothers and toward Earth that welcomes you.

Beloved: DO NOT WAIT DO NOT TRUST AS SAYING THAT IT IS SUNNY, so it won’t rain. ON THE CONTRARY, remain on constant alert, pending and without despair, BUT WITH CONFIDENCE AND DISPOSAL.

Do not cling to the material, just prepare your minds for a moment, which will change a wail to be horror.

Pray, dear, pray for Japan.
Pray for Mexico.
Pray for Italy.

I do not threaten My People, I alerting them to wake up and come to Me, allowing Me to welcome you and keep you in my boat.

Be wary of those who pretend to love Me and they are wolves in sheep's clothing.

Beloved, these moments are not to live with a double intention. I COME BY MY PEOPLE, THAT LOVES ME WITHOUT condition myself, But rather, WHO LOVES ME BEING witness with their lives.

I love those persecuted for My Name. I bless those who give to My cause being abiding by My Orders.

NATURE ALREADY AWOKE ...

Humanity, I love you so much that in moments of persecution, I send from above my aid for everyone!

I love you and bless you.

Your Jesus.

HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.
HAIL MARY MOST PURE, CONCEIVED WITHOUT SIN.

The attacks are truly outrageous, people even start saying that the Illuminati created the bible, which is so foolish as they do not even follow it, and it has been proven that these societies worship and have submitted their lives to the Serpent. Many have already turned away from the true Gospel, I myself was nearly trapped by these New Age Philosophies, Cosmic Christ, Gnosticism and overall the occult. It is another trap that Satan is using to ensnare GOD's elect, do not be fooled by the false Prophets.

Colossians 2:8-: "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ."

and this Malevolent Conspiracy Matrix was created by whom? man? yeah right.

Anderson,

I can't get answer...only the repeated line, "Jesus is coming soon" from non-Catholics.

Which sect of Protestantism out 30,000 +, is Our Lord
returning to reveal to the world is His one and only
Church.

Am I gonna have to become a Lutheran?

You do not have to become anything for you already are, your body is the temple, therefore do not defile it and allow GOD to dwell in it, keep faith in the true teachings of Christ and do not whore after the false doctrines of Men. Walk in faith, read the scriptures and all shall be revealed.

Acts 16:30-31 "He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household."

Your mockery will be your own undoing, turn to the Lord and cease this insolence, lest his wrath falls upon you.

Proverbs 1:22 "How long will you simple ones love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?"

Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline."

Proverbs 9:10 ""...knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."

...yeah...and Democrats hate Republicans...idiot...

Infinite, eternal consciousness (GOD) projects aspects of itself into different realms and dimensions for the sake of experiencing itself.
One of these aspects is you, experiencing yourself from a human viewpoint. The Kingdom of heaven is within. Take responsibility for your creation instead of putting your energy in control structures.

I mentioned atheism to show that the claim about Christians is really a claim about all kinds of people.

People who say God should intervene more are saying they don't like us to have free will... robots. You can call that "my limited perspective" but I'll call that drawing a logical conclusion from the argument being made. Maybe it's you with the limited perspective. And telling me I "matter not to God" is a lie you just made up.

You contradict your own "is that the only possible alternative" when you say that the knowledge of God must conflict with free will. Your statements following do nothing to prove otherwise. If I know it's going to rain tomorrow, does that mean I caused it to rain? See?

For someone who thinks other people have narrow-mindedness issues, you sure have a lot of your own; for someone who thinks others do too much assuming, you do too much of your own. And speaking of age-old BS, I'm clearly wasting my time trying to converse with you.

WHAT A GRADE A JERK!

What's the point in just repeating the same stuff if we've already heard it again and again and again from you?

Don't you think we have other issues to consider instead of hearing a needle stuck in a cracked record stating the obvious?

your belief in the rehashed fiction courtesy of the piso family along with fear based modalities will be your own undoing.

i stand under nothing.

There is more Abrahamic religion crammed into every part of our lives today than there ever was in North America.

What planet do you live on?

No, we have the first generation who has grown up without the fathers in the home. There are a lot of divorced homes where the father doesn't take care of their children. Thus leaving the mother to financially provide for the family and try to manage the home and raise the children.
Children need their fathers, they play a very important role in the child's life, when they walk out it is the first and maybe biggest path changer they will endure.

Lighten up, for Christ's sake.

seriously? I don't know anyone who is religious except a wiccan family, if that counts. They are very much approved of by all, including ,once, myself, until I became the focus of their quite astonishingly firm intolerance towards my belief in the God of the Bible.
What you may be seeing, however is the result of an extremely organized effort- [link to www.secularhumanism.org]
to bring about a fake-grass-roots surge in religious-right, silent-majority, TV evangelized, Christian Zionist, and false "christianity", along with the deliberate creation of your"times of hardship".
It all has about as much to do with the Bible as did Jerry Sandusky's organized procedures upon the "fatherless boys,[Deut 10:18] the widow's sons" his charity "served"