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Careful. Matt Simmons died because he talked like that
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Something I've been pondering. IF the Schuman Resonance is drastically fluctuating and/or increasing from 7.83Hz to 14.x is there a possibility frequency/energy is causing the gasses to excite? Solid/Liquid/Gas transition phases?

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Excellent thread.

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Excellent thread.

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Agreed. We need all the rational discussion and research we can get on this issue.
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AC? Lets save some space? So you think everything is just honky dory with that sinkhole? As the man wrote above from " Baton Rouge" theres military activity all around it? Never a good sign? Locals saying theres " quaking" going on? Not picking on you , try and lighten up!!
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AC? Lets save some space? So you think everything is just honky dory with that sinkhole? As the man wrote above from " Baton Rouge" theres military activity all around it? Never a good sign? Locals saying theres " quaking" going on? Not picking on you , try and lighten up!!
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There is a danger in jumping to conclusions. It kills your legitimacy. There are sound and unsound ways of thinking. There is a lot of unsound thinking here. For example, you've created what's called a straw man. I never said things are hunky dory. There's a world between someone presenting a theory with zero scientific merit based on a gut feeling that things are connected and things are hunky dory. Knowing the difference is a sign of maturity that is much lacking around these parts.
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The OP has a hypothesis. That is the heart of the scientific method. The hypothesis simply needs further observation and testing but to say it is solely based on a "gut feeling" is no criticism at all because the best hypotheses probably are based on such gut feelings.
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I was thinking about how the seafloor, salt layer, and associated formations that tie DWH/Macondo to the Salt Domes are being eroded and how that erosion would increase in volume.

In my minds' eye, I can see how the water can penetrate into the web of salt layer channels and dissolve the salt, transfer heat, and change the pressure just enough to allow the frozen and trapped methane to release from the gulf floor.

One thing I did not consider before is how that erosion of the salt channels could increase rapidly. I have read that it takes 3 gallons of water to completely dissolve one gallon of salt. (I don't know whether this is true or not, but I would think it is very close to that ratio).

The more salt being dissolved, the greater the amount of water introduced. The increase in water the faster the reaction occurs. It multiplies quickly. As does the release of hydrocarbons/methane.

I was thinking this process would take years, but now I'm thinking in terms of months.

This will not end well.
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More water in the ocean from ice melt...more water = more weight and more pressure. check Post Glacier Rebound Effect.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


ehm - something does not add up here, as afaik for example 1kg of ice cream is as heavy as 1kg of stone and is as heavy as 1kg of water (also: 1 liter of water).

so the weight - frozen or not - of water in any form should be the same, therefore the pressure it has on the crust should not change at all.

edit: glacier rebound effect is different from what you posted, so my answer is for your "more water = more weight and more pressure." statement.


What you fail to get from what he is saying is that the frozen ice was on land ( Greenland mostly ) which has now melted and become part of the ocean.. hence "more water"
post glacial rebound effect is definitely real and most certainly the main cause of Earths dramatic weather changes (besides the bp / fukushima type fuck ups)...
I agree completely that these events seem to be linked and something large is brewing, praying it holds off until aaaafter my trip to Mexico next week lol..
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oops, I'm new here, I tried to quote two different folks there. my comment starts at "What you fail to get.."
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i am no geologist, but thought i share a thought i just had with you, maybe someone with more experts knowledge can share a thought on this?

we all know about the LA sinkhole in assumption parish and that it is bubbling.
due to this sinkhole, most of us here know about lake peigneur in LA, who is an old kind of sinkhole-event gone wrong. as posted in another thread today, this lake is bubbling now, too.
some days ago, there was a thread about a gas leak somewhere near macondo well where the deepwater horizon incident happened in the gulf of mexico.

assuming all these happenings are connected deeply underground,
and knowing that bubbling gas is methan in all of those places,
i wonder where it comes from and why it is coming to surface _now_ .

so now my theory:
this is formerly frozen methanhydrate warming up due to rising volcanic activity in the ground, now being methane gas and leaking all up the easiest way.
now look up these locations on a map;
if they are connected deep down in the ground.. this must be massive magma moving around down there to warm all this methanhydrate...


any thoughts?
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Hiya OP, this has been covered a lot lately across a number of threads, including the original gargantuan bezerk thread on the subject.

Glad to see another opinion of the same measure! hf

The common elements are - strata, salt (domes, pillows and veins), methylhydrates, aquifers - and oil.

Dont forget just how hot oil is.

Macondo is also the site of a tar volcano.

Another introduced element is man made/engineered bacterias that hark back to Russian discopveries back in the 60'd at Lake Baikal, and have been refined ever since to aid in a number of processes within the oil industry.

This technology has peaked with the advent of programmable synthetic life, from the likes of Synthetic Genomes and other Venter ventures, most of which are funded by none other than BP.

These bacteria can be used to clean up small spills, or be seeded into reserves to eat the oil and create pressure(farting) to aid in removal, and even to semi-refine reserves.

The huge amount of corexit sprayed surface, and even more pumped below the surface at DWH/Macondo resulted in a blanket of sorts of bacterial covering the gushing oil, which was kept at bottom level. As they consumed small parts of the oil, methane was generated, along with the natural emmissions of methanics, and these froze due to the depth to become methyl hydrates. A blanket, which to this day covers the oil lake down there.....

The ruptured sea floor was never fixed. Matt Simmons suggested nuking the floor into glass, as the Russians did, with their own deep drilling disaster, which took two years to fix - on land. (not miles deep below water)

:salt layers:

This diagram demosntrates how the salt pillows run from deep water right up on to dry land.

There's your connection OP.

Methyl hydrate layers exist above the salt layers too.

Ruptured/fracked strata, dissolved salt, melted methylhydrates >>> methane(s) and oils, under immense pressure will find there way through any weak point.

That the Napoleon dome in Assumption Parish is burping up methane(s)and other gasses, oils and super saline solutions is not necessarily a direct link.

That oil bubbling up has the same finger print as that of the DWH spill is the smoking gun. They put it down to a freshly created reserve cavern built to house the 'clean up' oil taken from the coast lines, for later reclamation. Can you believe that!!! Nice spin job.

It's the smoking gun no-one has really expanded on, that directly links DWH and Assumption.

At the peak of the DWH disaster, a lot of insider folks were trying to get word out that this was going to be something huge, and when the Lake Peigneur vids began being seeded on various sites, not many made the connection. We couldnt - at the time.

But clearly, the notion of a salt mine/pillar/pillow/vein being drilled in to and flooding causing further erosion and further land subsidance was the message.

These domes are huge. Miles across, miles deep, connected to hundreds of miles of veins.

It has taken just over two years to run in land from Macondo to the Napoleon dome, and now to the dome beneath Lake Peigneur.

What we look at on the fly over videos is a tiny part of the Napoleon dome. This diagram represents it well, and only shows a tiny corner at the very top of the dome, not even the entire width.
The tiny part below, stating 600' is the sink hole.

:noaa class:

People like Edgar Cayce, and Gordon Michael Scallion have 'seen' this series of cascade events unfold to form a new United States, with an inland seaway between the Great Lakes and the GoM.

My own contacts suggest that whilst this is looking at the situation from DWH and onwards through to Canada, the opposite direction is also going to undergo dramatic changes, with a great deal of Mexico and the Baha peninsula also collapsing.

No one piece of land stands on its own. It's all interconnected, all reliant on presure, and solid strata and gaseous pockets etc all being in equilibrium to remain stable.

The 28000 drill points just off Louisiana might have something to do with the upcomming instability, especially the deep drill points.

:platforms:

I think we will be seeing more and more sink hole activity in the US, including Texas, as it has the largest aquifer beneath it's coast line, which connects to the mouth of the mighty Missi' (below ground)

I'll leave it at that for now, and let others have a say, but will leave you with one more piece of interest.

Cayce and Scallion also predicted Japan "MUST" sink beneath the waves. I said all was connected. Recently I found an article of a leaf showing up in Queensland Australia, that could only have come from Papua New Guinea. It was green and fresh. They worked out that it, and other species only found in PNG were comming into the aquifers systems via massively long underground rivers.

I believe such a river connects Japan and the US. I believe the current 'deepest holes in Earth' are being drilled off Japan's coast, into the ridge, to basically cause the place to subside, and slide under the water, sealing the river, and stopping the iradiated waters from spreading beyond Fukashima.

In any regard, we are seeing geo-engineering, either accidentally, - or deliberately on a scale probably never seen before. Going up against a planet, surely you would have to play to win, otherwise, to lose, I shudder to think what a planet might do in reprisals. Silly ptb.
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any thoughts?
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as sol's brown dwarf companion star approaches it grounds the electrical system of of the solar system, reduces solar flare activity, reduces magnetic field strength, slows rotation of earth's core, reduces gravity, and starts opening sink holes.

the lighter elements begin to escape as the earth starts opening up

increased comets are the result of brown dwarf passage through kuiper belt and oort cloud

sit back and enjoy the ride because not even secret bunkers underground will protect from that which is to come

let your children play

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as sol's brown dwarf companion star approaches it grounds the electrical system of of the solar system, reduces solar flare activity, reduces magnetic field strength, slows rotation of earth's core, reduces gravity, and starts opening sink holes.

the lighter elements begin to escape as the earth starts opening up

increased comets are the result of brown dwarf passage through kuiper belt and oort cloud

sit back and enjoy the ride because not even secret bunkers underground will protect from that which is to come

let your children play
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Plenty of dots to be connected...very interesting view.
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as sol's brown dwarf companion star approaches it grounds the electrical system of of the solar system, reduces solar flare activity, reduces magnetic field strength, slows rotation of earth's core, reduces gravity, and starts opening sink holes.

the lighter elements begin to escape as the earth starts opening up

increased comets are the result of brown dwarf passage through kuiper belt and oort cloud

sit back and enjoy the ride because not even secret bunkers underground will protect from that which is to come

let your children play
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sounds about right to me... if most ( 99% ) of discovered solar systems are binary ( two stars ) why is it so hard for people to believe that ours is too? why are we special...
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Careful. Matt Simmons died because he talked like that
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hf....no...he was killed....let the truth speak for it self
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Yes, murdered!

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There's a lot of great information within these threads:

Thread: Don't make ASSUMPTIONS; try to Understand.

Thread: NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE "ASSUMPTIONS"

Thread: NBC: New fault on seafloor may have opened up from BP disaster in Gulf

I lived on the Gulf Coast in FL when the the Macondo well blew in spring 2010. I moved away from the coast and out of FL because I believe the Gulf of Mexico sea floor is a ticking time bomb. I have been following it (from afar) ever since. I know it's hard for many to just up and move, when you've built a life somewhere...but if you live along the coast, and you have the ability... GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN. Much love to all of you!

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Excellent thread.

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I was just looking through some of the older threads on the BP/GOM situation of 2010... I found this comment VERY interesting. It was written on 7-19-10 by Dark Mare, User ID: 900491, here on GLP. I will include a link to the thread, as well.

Thread: *Updated Enhanced Video* for -- "MASSIVE BURSTS EXPLODE FROM SEAFLOOR (sorry for all caps but -- WOW)"

"If you want a more accurate definition and expectation of what a "massive" sub-sea hydrate release looks like, check out the crater field on the sea-floor (on Google Maps) just to the West of the Mississisippi River Delta out-flow and envision steam bubbles bursting in thick porridge or a thick hydrothermal mud pit. (Uh, wouldn't that be EXACTLY where the Assumption sinkhole and salt domes are located?)

[link to www.istockphoto.com]

Note the cluster of unburst hydrate bubbles or "domes" just to the east of the tip of the delta. As contenental drift slowly carries these westward over the sub-continental thermal plume, they heat up and burst naturally. Unfortunately, BP has expedited this process by drilling into and destabilizing one of the most Westward (and "hottest" hydrate domes.)"

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I was just looking through some of the older threads on the BP/GOM situation of 2010... I found this comment VERY interesting. It was written on 7-19-10 by Dark Mare, User ID: 900491, here on GLP. I will include a link to the thread, as well.

Thread: *Updated Enhanced Video* for -- "MASSIVE BURSTS EXPLODE FROM SEAFLOOR (sorry for all caps but -- WOW)"

"If you want a more accurate definition and expectation of what a "massive" sub-sea hydrate release looks like, check out the crater field on the sea-floor (on Google Maps) just to the West of the Mississisippi River Delta out-flow and envision steam bubbles bursting in thick porridge or a thick hydrothermal mud pit. (Uh, wouldn't that be EXACTLY where the Assumption sinkhole and salt domes are located?)

[link to www.istockphoto.com]

Note the cluster of unburst hydrate bubbles or "domes" just to the east of the tip of the delta. As contenental drift slowly carries these westward over the sub-continental thermal plume, they heat up and burst naturally. Unfortunately, BP has expedited this process by drilling into and destabilizing one of the most Westward (and "hottest" hydrate domes.)"
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wow.. thank you ! this is indeed interesting..
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Here is a little part of the article:

“The Mississippi River follows what is known as the Mississippi Embayment,” David tells me. “This is a syncline, or a trough-shaped fold in the earth, that stretches from Illinois south to the Gulf of Mexico and beyond. The Jackson Volcano is on the east side of this syncline and the Monroe Uplift, another Cretaceous volcano, is on the west side. They’re kind of symmetrical. Further north is the Murfreesboro, Arkansas Volcano. And then, there’s a buried volcano at the mouth of the Mississippi River called the Door Point Volcano. So there’s a ring of volcanoes around what’s now this slumped syncline. And the New Madrid Fault is part of that over-all feature.”

[link to www.newsouthernview.com]
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Wow! Vesper33 Good job....how on earth did you find this? Very interesting.
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Thank You!! I was interested awhile back in finding out where all the known volcanos were in the South East, as I live in North Alabama. I just came across the article during my search. I am glad you found it interesting. I know I did. :)
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Intriguing. I grew up in NE Louisiana, and my family still owns the homeplace where we grew up. It's in the "Monroe uplift" and sure enough, the enormous reservoir of gas which they stopped drilling (development) on our property, has carbon dioxide in it, and the company felt the price of removing the carbon dioxide was prohibitive. So the land where I grew up is right over a dormant volcano. Your post really got my attention. Excellent article you referenced there! Very informative for me.
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so now my theory:
this is formerly frozen methanhydrate warming up due to rising volcanic activity in the ground, now being methane gas and leaking all up the easiest way.
now look up these locations on a map;
if they are connected deep down in the ground.. this must be massive magma moving around down there to warm all this methanhydrate...


any thoughts?

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AC? Lets save some space? So you think everything is just honky dory with that sinkhole? As the man wrote above from " Baton Rouge" theres military activity all around it? Never a good sign? Locals saying theres " quaking" going on? Not picking on you , try and lighten up!!
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AC? Lets save some space? So you think everything is just honky dory with that sinkhole? As the man wrote above from " Baton Rouge" theres military activity all around it? Never a good sign? Locals saying theres " quaking" going on? Not picking on you , try and lighten up!!
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There is a danger in jumping to conclusions. It kills your legitimacy. There are sound and unsound ways of thinking. There is a lot of unsound thinking here. For example, you've created what's called a straw man. I never said things are hunky dory. There's a world between someone presenting a theory with zero scientific merit based on a gut feeling that things are connected and things are hunky dory. Knowing the difference is a sign of maturity that is much lacking around these parts.
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The OP has a hypothesis. That is the heart of the scientific method. The hypothesis simply needs further observation and testing but to say it is solely based on a "gut feeling" is no criticism at all because the best hypotheses probably are based on such gut feelings.
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Hypothesis started by assuming that several events are connected. That ain't science. IF evidence leads to that conclusion, that's another thing. I can start a "hypothesis" by saying that the Big Bang, a porn star getting banged and the CBS comedy The Big Bang Theory must all be connected, and then give some untethered rationale, and that's not science either. Problem with this site is that C students who never put the time or effort into learning scientific method or critical thinking jump to massive conclusions without the benefit of proper reasoning.

I'm not discounting that there could be something serious happening in the Gulf. I just know there's a danger in starting off with your conclusion, and then working backwards to cherry pick corroborative evidence. If you don't get that, you're part of the problem.
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so now my theory:
this is formerly frozen methanhydrate warming up due to rising volcanic activity in the ground, now being methane gas and leaking all up the easiest way.
now look up these locations on a map;
if they are connected deep down in the ground.. this must be massive magma moving around down there to warm all this methanhydrate...


any thoughts?

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hiding
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dormant volcanoes re-energizing????
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this thing goes march 21st, 2013.
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[link to jumpingjackflashhypothesis.blogspot.com]

It's the outgassing of hydrogen s'ulfide and methane.
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SAME thing thats killing the trees...
anyone in the north east can see the pine dying rapidly, needles turning yellow brown and branches becoming thin of all needles. most are not "green" but just gray, brown and yellow...

this theory...

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HAARP
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Funny you say that? Weather modification gets no press!! It could play a roll in setting it off! Haarp status has been down for days! I know GLP hates that site its fake ! Yeah yeah yeah its the one I use!
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I learned about HAARP and weather modification back in 1992. People don't give it the credit it's due.
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Something is introducing enough heat to release Methane. Your theory is a real possibility.

bump
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um, so the earth is farting?
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Something is introducing enough heat to release Methane. Your theory is a real possibility.

bump
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um, so the earth is farting?
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Not quite the way I was picturing it...but yeah, I suppose one could say that.
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there's been lots of talk of an outside force compressing earth's electromagnetic fields. Perhaps that's the culprit responsible.
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What possible role does our technology play in all of this.

The sun if I remember correctly I'm fairly old, but does it not mainly take hydrogen and fuse it into helium? Those are some really light things there, and other than some trace other elements the sun is mostly just that stuff.

So, now we got a planet, well all the mass from the increase in human population taken out of the ocean and redistributed onto the land, but back to my point.

All of the bombarding with all the freqency of energy from billions of people internet, cell phone, all the rest of the stuff, and the burning of everthing to run it all.

Does this not introduce a bunch of foreign and not to mention heavy stuff into the Sun. How is that going to affect the tiny litte Earth? And will that not alter The Sun's processes, and cause it to burn faster, and other stuff. The Sun is 3,333 times the mass of earth, but hydrogen and helium, certainly burn differntly that the other stuff.

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