gun control in Australia....an un-mitigated fucking DISASTER!

You just want NZ firearms licences to import firearms to Australia from New Zealand and the Pacific nations?

So where in Australia are you?

aussies don't need guns. i mean really, would you trust someone who sounds like steve irwin with a gun? that guy was using his kid as gator bait on crocodile hunter.

most australians are a lot stupider than that guy

We don't need guns - we live in a civilised country.

Actually the gun is civilization.

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why the gun is civilization.


Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearmMark says:
, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.






































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Last Edited by s. d. butler on 03/09/2013 07:17 PM

...in America.

Dangerous place, you guys really need to keep your guns.

They took your fucking guns and now they are dumping the Asians and Lebs all over your country.

Wake up, White man.

Guns don't kill people so what is the good of them?

Not at all dangerous outside of the areas where only police and criminals have guns.

And yes we really do need to keep our guns for more reasons than you have the capacity to understand.

Last Edited by s. d. butler on 03/09/2013 07:20 PM

Very nice.

aussieland is civilized? alot of aussie towns never kept records for home invasions, that is until after guns were outlawed and the crimes "shot" thru the roof.

Look, if I wanted to hear from an alcoholic wife beater I would talk to one of the Germans here.

im into shit porn also.

It's a given to the rest of the world that all Square Heads have a scheisse fetish.

Being a citizen of Australia, i can say we have the by far some of the stupidest people in charge in the world.

Anything and everything you want to do is illegal or so highly taxed you cant afford to do it.

As said in the OPs link.

Airsoft is a Class A prohibited weapon and you recieve the same sentence as if you had a ak47. They have flat out refused to legalize them even when kept in the same conditions as a real firearm.

We have actively been pestering P.M's to reconsider and their only response is "you have no use for it"...

REALLY?

How bout something to do!

arghhh!

Anyway got approved to own a bolt action rifle, handgun or break open shot gun.

went something like this.

application approval - 7 months
compulsory firearms coarse- 2 months $200
Waiting for approval- 1 month
PTA )permit to acquire firearm- 1 month $50
compulsory safe- $200-500
compulsory club membership- $200-500

Thats just for a bolt action rifle or break shot gun.

I wanted a hand gun to.

acquire separate license-
approval, followed by 6 month wait before purchase.
PTA - 1 month + $50

for hand guns, you must permit in 6 registered shoots a year and be a member of a firearms club.

Failure to go to 6 events or failure to record 6 event results in immediate confiscation.

Oh yer, & your house can be raided anytime without consent or knowledge.

Frreeeekin joke!

Last Edited by sssss on 03/11/2013 03:41 AM

I'm not for gun control but crime is down across the board as a nation....some pockets of crime exist but as a whole.....WAY DOWN,!


Stop believing all the Yank propaganda and try looking it up for your self other than pulling stats out of your arse ....just saying.

heres a statistic for you, 78% of american counties have no gun murders, guess where the VAST majority of these happen? in places like maryland, illinois, kalifornia, NY, NJ places where you cannot either A own a firearm, and or B get a concealed carry permit. so if you are telling me you are to fucking stupid to realize statistics "basic fucking math" and just because a bunch of gangbangers in places where its open season to rape, rob, and pillage at will, doesnt mean i will surrender my arms. its proven time and time again, idiots "criminals" dont want to attack an possibily armed person. but when these states mentioned above make it so only criminals and police have them, who are already stretched thin. well where do you think scumbags will flock too? goto 11:50 on this 12:11 video of peirs morgan, and watch how he shushes this man because he speaks facts. if you can stomach this tyrant for 12:11 hats off to you, this douchebag like many on the wrong side of the gun control debate, just stick there fingers in there ears and yell LA LA LA whenever they hear facts. its not a debate when you scream over the other person, you try and stop people from hearing what they are saying. because the truth will set even a total idiot like you free.

EDIT i forgot the link to the video.

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well I didn't see a link to your stats, pot meet kettle. Link or stink.

FUCK YOU CUNT !!!!........learn to read..


I,m not for gun control and i was stating that our crime rate is down so stop making shit up to justify your guns.

The arguments for and against gun control by manipulation of data is rampant on both sides....and I'm more than aware of what goes on over there.....shame most americunts just react and don't look deeper.

thank you for proving my point, the people for guns are less violent then the people aginst them, why is this? just like the video i posted, peris morgan was the one screaming like a baffon. yes i insulted you some, but you insulted this whole boards intellegence first. your first words "FUCK YOU CUNT". Just because you dont agree with something, doesnt mean you have it fucking banned. go buy your own piece of land and play dictator and let the adults talk.

[link to www.abs.gov.au]

Start here....and just keep looking....i have for quite some time

You called me a total idiot....just saying...you CUNT

so you dont click links i post, but im going to click your propaganda link? i know how the corruption has spread across goverments, i know how the birts rigg there crime rates, hell they have police on film addmitting to it. no thanks. arguing with you would be like going on peirs morgans show. everytime he gets his ass handed to him hes all out of "time" with a blood red, sweaty face of a little cowardly, sorry ass excuse of a man.