Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Knights Templar, when he was burnt at the stake | |
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Jacquestrap de Molay User ID: 34438955 United States 05/20/2013 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Keep in mind that there were Knights Templar incognito interspersed throughout the crowd that gathered to view Jacques de Molay's (and Geoffrey de Charnay's) burning at the stake that late afternoon on the ile de Cite on the Seine River in Paris. In other words, de Molay's words weren't so much prophecy, as they were his last wishes/commandment to his fellow Templars before he was consigned to the flames. By the way, de Molay and Charney weren't killed quickly. It wasn't so much flames, as it was a slow roast over searingly hot coals which melted the flesh off the bone. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 35731453 Belgium 05/20/2013 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So you are saying that he prophesied the death of the pope in 40 days and the death of the king in a year? Did it come true? (haven't researched it) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13833012 Neither did I, to be honest. But the deed committed by Philip IV is without doubt one of the highest baseness. The true reason was he wanted that famed Templars' treasure. And I don't think De Molay was guilty of the charges proferred against him. Under torture you'd confess anything, that's a well known fact. At the end they just wanted to get rid of him as he was retracting was he had "confessed" before (several times, if I am not mistaken). And he was not the only victim. The Templars were more or less disbanded by the king. People don't change that much, do they ? Even a thousand years later. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6787263 United States 05/24/2013 04:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, Jacques de Molay "prophecied" that the Pope, Clement V, and the King of France, Philip IV, would be dead within the year. And they were. If I recall correctly, the king died in a "hunting accident". Can't recall how the Pope succombed. Quoting: Jacquestrap de Molay 34438955 Keep in mind that there were Knights Templar incognito interspersed throughout the crowd that gathered to view Jacques de Molay's (and Geoffrey de Charnay's) burning at the stake that late afternoon on the ile de Cite on the Seine River in Paris. In other words, de Molay's words weren't so much prophecy, as they were his last wishes/commandment to his fellow Templars before he was consigned to the flames. By the way, de Molay and Charney weren't killed quickly. It wasn't so much flames, as it was a slow roast over searingly hot coals which melted the flesh off the bone. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41064744 Belgium 06/03/2013 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, Jacques de Molay "prophecied" that the Pope, Clement V, and the King of France, Philip IV, would be dead within the year. And they were. If I recall correctly, the king died in a "hunting accident". Can't recall how the Pope succombed. Quoting: Jacquestrap de Molay 34438955 Keep in mind that there were Knights Templar incognito interspersed throughout the crowd that gathered to view Jacques de Molay's (and Geoffrey de Charnay's) burning at the stake that late afternoon on the ile de Cite on the Seine River in Paris. In other words, de Molay's words weren't so much prophecy, as they were his last wishes/commandment to his fellow Templars before he was consigned to the flames. By the way, de Molay and Charney weren't killed quickly. It wasn't so much flames, as it was a slow roast over searingly hot coals which melted the flesh off the bone. So, you think De Molay, though he knew these were his last moments, was intentionally giving instructions to his followers to kill the king and the pope ? This is not impossible, but I have doubts. I you knew you had just a few more moments to live, would you do efforts to exact revenge upon those who are responsible for your death ? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80823882 United States 10/11/2021 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, Jacques de Molay "prophecied" that the Pope, Clement V, and the King of France, Philip IV, would be dead within the year. And they were. If I recall correctly, the king died in a "hunting accident". Can't recall how the Pope succombed. Quoting: Jacquestrap de Molay 34438955 Keep in mind that there were Knights Templar incognito interspersed throughout the crowd that gathered to view Jacques de Molay's (and Geoffrey de Charnay's) burning at the stake that late afternoon on the ile de Cite on the Seine River in Paris. In other words, de Molay's words weren't so much prophecy, as they were his last wishes/commandment to his fellow Templars before he was consigned to the flames. By the way, de Molay and Charney weren't killed quickly. It wasn't so much flames, as it was a slow roast over searingly hot coals which melted the flesh off the bone. So, you think De Molay, though he knew these were his last moments, was intentionally giving instructions to his followers to kill the king and the pope ? This is not impossible, but I have doubts. I you knew you had just a few more moments to live, would you do efforts to exact revenge upon those who are responsible for your death ? Absolutely. Without a doubt. And they did. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80823882 United States 10/11/2021 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, Jacques de Molay "prophecied" that the Pope, Clement V, and the King of France, Philip IV, would be dead within the year. And they were. If I recall correctly, the king died in a "hunting accident". Can't recall how the Pope succombed. Quoting: Jacquestrap de Molay 34438955 Keep in mind that there were Knights Templar incognito interspersed throughout the crowd that gathered to view Jacques de Molay's (and Geoffrey de Charnay's) burning at the stake that late afternoon on the ile de Cite on the Seine River in Paris. In other words, de Molay's words weren't so much prophecy, as they were his last wishes/commandment to his fellow Templars before he was consigned to the flames. By the way, de Molay and Charney weren't killed quickly. It wasn't so much flames, as it was a slow roast over searingly hot coals which melted the flesh off the bone. So, you think De Molay, though he knew these were his last moments, was intentionally giving instructions to his followers to kill the king and the pope ? This is not impossible, but I have doubts. If you knew you had just a few more moments to live, would you do efforts to exact revenge upon those who are responsible for your death ? Do you have a better idea what he should’ve proclaimed in his last moments before an excruciating death? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79228559 United States 10/11/2021 03:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Knights Templar, was condemned to death by the French king Philip IV as he was jealous of the Templars' power and wealth... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35731453 On 18th March 1314, before being burnt at the stake, De Molay declared: "We die innocent. But only in Heaven there is a judge before whom the feeble will never appeal without being heard. Before this judge I call the Pope within 40 days, and you Philip, I expect within one year." Uhm…. your point? Give me the executive summary. |
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