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Turn Your Back on the Old Testament

 
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The Old & New Testament are polar opposites.

The New was opposed to the Old.

From Judgment to Forgiveness.

From Anger to Love.

Somehow this has been lost.

Throw the Old in the Fire with its Hate.

Tell the evangelicals to get over it & rally around the New.

It isn't the details mein Freundes, it is the heart of Western Civ.

This is what we must save & and Positive Christianity can help.

There must be a bulwark against the trash.
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
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The Law (Old Testament)is hard and that's why we could not keep it but Jesus could. The Law has not passed away. We are still condemned by the Law. The only way out is to accept the salvation of grace that Jesus offers freely.

As Jesus said "Do not think that I came to replace the Law, but to fulfill it."
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The Old & New Testament are polar opposites.

The New was opposed to the Old.

From Judgment to Forgiveness.

From Anger to Love.

Somehow this has been lost.

Throw the Old in the Fire with its Hate.

Tell the evangelicals to get over it & rally around the New.

It isn't the details mein Freundes, it is the heart of Western Civ.

This is what we must save & and Positive Christianity can help.

There must be a bulwark against the trash.
 Quoting: Nyet 2 Condemnation 38131439


Thank God that someone else finally gets it.
Hopefully more of you understand that the officially proclaimed judeochristianity is the problem and is nothing more than institutionalizing the same old pre Jesus old testamentism with a veneer of perverse misrepresentations of Christian principles.
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40888349


Paul has said no thing that contradicts the four gospels you follow. If he has added things that you don't like that's another matter. He claims they come from God and the book of Acts records that the other apostles believed that Paul was working as Christs messenger. Luke wrote the book of Acts. He followed Jesus as a disciple from the beginning and he attests to the fact the Paul was of God.
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The Law (Old Testament)is hard and that's why we could not keep it but Jesus could. The Law has not passed away. We are still condemned by the Law. The only way out is to accept the salvation of grace that Jesus offers freely.

As Jesus said "Do not think that I came to replace the Law, but to fulfill it."
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IF its been fulfilled that means its been superceded.
Using the old testament to get to a loving universal god is impossible, its no different than the muzz god all of a sudden deciding not to kill loot or imprison infidels.

At best the OT was a map to the next stage, and as such bocome useless because its served its purpose, after all you cant use the same map to go to new places that werent included on the old one, you get one map to lead you to a new map.
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Jesus came to divide. You need a Jesus that brings everyone together no matter how immoral God finds them to be. Be your own god and be your own jesus.
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40888349


Paul has said no thing that contradicts the four gospels you follow. If he has added things that you don't like that's another matter. He claims they come from God and the book of Acts records that the other apostles believed that Paul was working as Christs messenger. Luke wrote the book of Acts. He followed Jesus as a disciple from the beginning and he attests to the fact the Paul was of God.
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Paul was the first judeochristian, and most of his efforts were to reinstate old testament imperatives and ritualizations in some way.

If it wasnt important enough for Jesus to say it and have it be recorded, it wasnt important enough to use as a guide or modifier in any significant way.
My take is that he understood his place to destroy the new faith that was destroying the hebrew entitlement justification and eventually decided he could do more damage from the inside.
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The Old & New Testament are polar opposites.

The New was opposed to the Old.

From Judgment to Forgiveness.

From Anger to Love.

Somehow this has been lost.

Throw the Old in the Fire with its Hate.

Tell the evangelicals to get over it & rally around the New.

It isn't the details mein Freundes, it is the heart of Western Civ.

This is what we must save & and Positive Christianity can help.

There must be a bulwark against the trash.
 Quoting: Nyet 2 Condemnation 38131439


ABSOLUTELY OP! The J3w Testament is full of anti-human incitements to mass murder, promises the J3ws that they will rule the world via usury (Deut 15:6 - can't make that @*&# up!), endorses mistreatment of children like the brutal torture of circumcision, etc. Indeed, John seems to identify the demiurge yahweh with 666:

Revelation 13:16 vs. Exodus 13:16 (hey, notice how the numbers are the same?)

"And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead." (Rev 13:16)

"So let it be a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead, for Yahweh brought us out of Egypt by the strength of His hand." (Exodus 13:16)

From Hebrew Gematria (not English Gematria, which is bogus): 666 = יֹ֣ום יְהוָ֑ה לָמָּה־ז&#146​2;ּ֥ה לָכֶ֛ם יֹ֥ום יְהוָ֖ה הוּא־חֹ֥&#151​3;ֶׁךְ וְלֹא־אֹ&#146​9;ור׃ "The day of Yahweh is darkness, not light" (Amos 5:18)

666 = Yahweh Shamash = yahweh the sun (Psalm 84:11) יְהוָ֪ה שֶׁ֨מֶשׁ

666 = אֲרוֹן הַקֹּ֙דֶ&#151​3;ׁ֙ Arun HaQadosh "The Holy Ark" (of Moses, 2Chr 35:3)

666 = Nezar HaQadosh "The Holy Crown" (of Moses and Aaron, Lev 8:9)
נֵ֣זֶר הַקֹּ֔דֶ&#151​3;ׁ

Either that, or Yhwh has been brutally misrepresented by the J**s and has made no discernible effort to correct these misperceptions.
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The Law (Old Testament)is hard and that's why we could not keep it but Jesus could. The Law has not passed away. We are still condemned by the Law. The only way out is to accept the salvation of grace that Jesus offers freely.

As Jesus said "Do not think that I came to replace the Law, but to fulfill it."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7023292


You don't get it. The Law is full of criminality; what god worthy of worship would condemn you for not trying to establish a J3w World Order via usury (Deut 15:6), not mutilating your sons via circumcision, not raping and murdering enemy tribes (Numbers 31 for just one example), etc? The only condemnation I see in the picture is allowing oneself (or trying to make others!) psychic slaves to the demiurge that demands these atrocities.
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40888349


Paul has said no thing that contradicts the four gospels you follow. If he has added things that you don't like that's another matter. He claims they come from God and the book of Acts records that the other apostles believed that Paul was working as Christs messenger. Luke wrote the book of Acts. He followed Jesus as a disciple from the beginning and he attests to the fact the Paul was of God.
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Paul was the first judeochristian, and most of his efforts were to reinstate old testament imperatives and ritualizations in some way.

If it wasnt important enough for Jesus to say it and have it be recorded, it wasnt important enough to use as a guide or modifier in any significant way.
My take is that he understood his place to destroy the new faith that was destroying the hebrew entitlement justification and eventually decided he could do more damage from the inside.
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One could assert that Paul was just the first of a long line of insurgents intending to deceive their way in to the leadership and subvert anything that reflects poorly on automatic hebrew entitlement.
If you pay attention it is always liberals attempting to infiltrate conservative and Christian based organizations and change them toward obedience to the hebrew tribal priority,
You never see conservatives infiltrating liberal organizations, for its only liberals that seek to destroy Christian imperitives, any number of phony conservative organizations and campaigns are attempted and they always seem to involve the same players who seem unashamed that they are deceptive when caught
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Your right but not all and some of the prophetic word are important.

For instant the Jonas save the Nineveh and the world from God angers.

Also, the old testament is the most twisted word by the Vatican.
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Just remember that conservatism as a principle comes directly from the words of Jesus, and has no basis in other desert religions.
You cannot derive all the key conservative principles from any other faith, that's why all other faiths cooperate to attempt to discredit and destroy it and its faithful.
You cant derive conservatism from a theocracy, because
theocracy is defined as forcing unbelievers to suffer the laws of a belief system they dont believe in.
Conservative principles of self definition, liberty, responsiblity to the self and equal opportunity do not and cannot come from entitlement philosophies which force allegiance and ritual on nonfollowers
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
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Matthew, Mark, Luke and John chronicles even the apostles non-comprehension and non understanding of The Lord Our Righteousness. See, Jesus Christ came and fulfilled the law in full faithfulness. As such, it is no longer man earning his righteousness through obedience to the law, but rather, through belief in Jesus Christ and thus being given His Righteousness. From that, we are to grow in faith in a daily walk with out teacher who leads His faithful into obedience and into pleasing God in our works that He has for us to do. This world is full of religions and secular beliefs which state that if I just do this or that, God will owe me salvation. Whether that be doing the sacraments of the catholic church, or carving tattoos in one's body, or even an atheist in the back of his mind thinking that God may judge on a curve....at the heart of them all is the belief that I got to do something. As it was He that locked the world up in sin, it is only by Him that graciously bestows the righteousness of His Only begotten Son. The law is spiritual but carnal minds reduce it to don't eat pig, don't touch that, do this, do that....in other words, carnal minds produce carnal religions. The old testament chronicles the devastations of sin and wickedness, and anyone today looking around can easily see how our nations are decending into absolute abominations...and loving it so. There can be no peace without being in Christ. Even the Old Testament shows that without faith and belief and trust in Our Creator, in whom there is no darkness, that this world of men can never produce peace.

The world thinks that laws can solve our problems. As such, this world is passing so many laws to regulate everything. The Old Trstament PROVED that even the most holiest of laws could not change the populace - the only thing that could was complete faith in the God of Heaven and Earth and His righteousness. As such, the rising laws in our lands directly correlate to the rising anti-Apostle Paul crowd. Frankly, no different than the Jews in the first century. In laws, people think there is peace and safety. God will prove to all that those can only be found in Him, in His new creation...in Christ.
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I'm one step ahead of you OP I have turned my back on both Old and New.
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The Old & New Testament are polar opposites.

The New was opposed to the Old.

From Judgment to Forgiveness.

From Anger to Love.

Somehow this has been lost.

Throw the Old in the Fire with its Hate.

Tell the evangelicals to get over it & rally around the New.

It isn't the details mein Freundes, it is the heart of Western Civ.

This is what we must save & and Positive Christianity can help.

There must be a bulwark against the trash.
 Quoting: Nyet 2 Condemnation 38131439


The old testament are God's Word Jesus came to forfull the Word not to take a word away not a comma, remember the 10 commands are still relevant. Mercy with Jesus Blood must not be taken lightly because it came with a heavy price that Jesus paid for. Ones converted to Christian you must be serious with your dissision. Hebr 6 : 6 serious scripture. That is why Jesus shows that many Christians are on the broad way and only a few on the small way.
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The trick here is that you can release the Hell and not believe all the details that they harp on and still embrace the essence of it.

It is a self-less love and striving for giving birth to the divine within.

That is a more noble goal than divide and conquer.

That is a more worthy experience to love.

Now when a hater...a true hater...encounters the lovers with hate, it is not hate to respond.

Hold firm to this.
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The Law (Old Testament)is hard and that's why we could not keep it but Jesus could. The Law has not passed away. We are still condemned by the Law. The only way out is to accept the salvation of grace that Jesus offers freely.

As Jesus said "Do not think that I came to replace the Law, but to fulfill it."
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If you promote the denial of the Words of the Most High, written throughout the so called old testament, you are cursed. Watch what happens to you.
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If you promote the denial of the Words of the Most High, written throughout the so called old testament, you are cursed. Watch what happens to you.
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Head games....promoting a thought process which draws upon itself.

More chicanery....

You need to make sacrifices in the spiritual life, but not blood sacrifices.

More like the time and attentiveness it takes to make true progress.

It is not cheap and easy. Nor slick and easy.

Your money can not buy it.

It is not old.

It is ever new.
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
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F that. Read gospel of Thomas.
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its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
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F that. Read gospel of Thomas.
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Not bad advice.

Thomas leads us to the Gnostics.

They were not so uptight.

With them Zen & Tao is possible.

They are the lost tribe.

Not of U know what EL, but of the European Mystics.
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The Old & New Testament are polar opposites.

The New was opposed to the Old.

From Judgment to Forgiveness.

From Anger to Love.

Somehow this has been lost.

Throw the Old in the Fire with its Hate.

Tell the evangelicals to get over it & rally around the New.

It isn't the details mein Freundes, it is the heart of Western Civ.

This is what we must save & and Positive Christianity can help.

There must be a bulwark against the trash.
 Quoting: Nyet 2 Condemnation 38131439


no freaking way!!! this is blasphemy to me.

romans corrupted jesus' teachings so they could control people.
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If you can't trust all of it then you can't trust any of it!
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If you can't trust all of it then you can't trust any of it!
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As we all know, only a moran could limit themselves to such a narrow point of view.

1doh1
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If you can't trust all of it then you can't trust any of it!
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As we all know, only a moran could limit themselves to such a narrow point of view.

1doh1
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MORON


Jesus said he is changeless, his commandments, laws and word WILL NEVER CHANGE for he is changeless and so are they.
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wheres all the love in the new testament

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
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I'm one step ahead of you OP I have turned my back on both Old and New.
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Please don't throw the baby out with the bathwater mein freund.

Be good to your brother; don't sleep with your mother.

And that thing you hide in the closet.

Keep it there.

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Bump

its not only evil, but full of lies and distortions of truth and history.

add that most of the new testament should be ripped out of the bible too, for same reasons, the evil eye of paul AKA saul is a nemesis to everything The Christ of 33BCE taught.

only use the gospels Matthew,Mark,Luke & John.
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[16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. [17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. - Mat 5:16-18 KJV
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The Old & New Testament are polar opposites.

The New was opposed to the Old.

From Judgment to Forgiveness.

From Anger to Love.

Somehow this has been lost.

Throw the Old in the Fire with its Hate.

Tell the evangelicals to get over it & rally around the New.

It isn't the details mein Freundes, it is the heart of Western Civ.

This is what we must save & and Positive Christianity can help.

There must be a bulwark against the trash.
 Quoting: Nyet 2 Condemnation 38131439


I've often wondered why the Old and New Testament was combined but then again many people have written about the original authors and it makes sense.
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The Law (Old Testament)is hard and that's why we could not keep it but Jesus could. The Law has not passed away. We are still condemned by the Law. The only way out is to accept the salvation of grace that Jesus offers freely.

As Jesus said "Do not think that I came to replace the Law, but to fulfill it."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7023292


You don't get it. The Law is full of criminality; what god worthy of worship would condemn you for not trying to establish a J3w World Order via usury (Deut 15:6), not mutilating your sons via circumcision, not raping and murdering enemy tribes (Numbers 31 for just one example), etc? The only condemnation I see in the picture is allowing oneself (or trying to make others!) psychic slaves to the demiurge that demands these atrocities.
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Jesus taught from it..

[17] And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, [18] The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, [19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [20] And he closed the book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. [21] And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. - Luk 4:17-21 KJV





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