Rolling Stone Magazine: Five Reasons Cops Want To Legalize Marijuana | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 26795689 United States 06/29/2013 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I call bullshit. There's huge profits to be had in the prohibition industry. They don't give a fuck about public safety unless there's a buck to be made. Which is probably what the rolling 4th Reich stone article is really about. Quoting: Angry Hierophant I don't think the article in claiming that the entire law enforcement industry feels this way. There is a growing element that does though and they are speaking out about it through organizations like L.E.A.P. The article quotes Norm Stamper who was the former police chief of Seattle and also Stephen Downing - the former L.A. Deputy Police Chief. Unfortunately a lot of these individuals can't speak out about how they feel about the 'War On Drugs' until they are retired. It's taboo for current officers/officials to speak publicly about it because of the political B.S. surrounding the current status quo and police chiefs/officials that might otherwise support this cause 'off the record' are afraid of speaking publicly & the stigma of being labeled 'soft on crime' by the otherwise uninformed public who cannot recognize the detrimental environment that's been created by our current 'approach' to the drug problem. |
The Myth User ID: 38665966 Canada 06/29/2013 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, but this is the kind of thing people believe when they are too stoned to think clearly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41578679 The drug cartels aren't limited to the marijuana trade. Organized crime gangs have lots of different things they can do. They're not going to fold up their tent if marijuana is legalized. Marijuana is essentially legal in many states already, because any pot-head can go to a Dr. Feelgood and lie to get a marijuana prescription. Did that somehow diminish the drug cartels? No. It didn't. They lost tons of business because of the supposedly-medicinal-marijuana con game. Didn't faze them. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. This isn't a bunch of potheads sitting around a fire dreaming up a way to end prohibition, this is a group of dedicated, long term professional law enforcement officers (most of whom probably do not partake). They are smart enough to realize that the current approach has not been working, and in fact is increasing drug use statistics. Your opening statement clearly shows you have a bias, but if you examine the entire issue objectively, one cannot help but come to the same conclusion. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's a pretty sad example of your "intelligence" when you are advocating for more of the same approach that has NOT worked for DECADES, and has only served to make governments and the prison industrial complex even more rich and corrupt, while at the same time criminalizing an entire group of otherwise law abiding citizens (which the vast majority of pot smokers are, minus the fact they smoke weed). Unfortunately, people such as yourself rarely have the mental strength to break out of their programmed "drugs are bad" conditioning, and so I will leave you to wallow in your own ignorance (and no doubt smug sense of superiority over "drug users"). Wouldn't it be great to heal the world, with only a song? |
Saddletramp User ID: 77619 United States 06/29/2013 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because then they wouldn't have to steal it from the evidence room to get high?!?!? "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
The Myth User ID: 38665966 Canada 06/29/2013 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I call bullshit. There's huge profits to be had in the prohibition industry. They don't give a fuck about public safety unless there's a buck to be made. Which is probably what the rolling 4th Reich stone article is really about. Quoting: Angry Hierophant I don't think the article in claiming that the entire law enforcement industry feels this way. There is a growing element that does though and they are speaking out about it through organizations like L.E.A.P. The article quotes Norm Stamper who was the former police chief of Seattle and also Stephen Downing - the former L.A. Deputy Police Chief. Unfortunately a lot of these individuals can't speak out about how they feel about the 'War On Drugs' until they are retired. It's taboo for current officers/officials to speak publicly about it because of the political B.S. surrounding the current status quo and police chiefs/officials that might otherwise support this cause 'off the record' are afraid of speaking publicly & being labeled 'soft on crime' by the otherwise uninformed public who cannot recognize the detrimental environment that's been created by our current 'approach' to the drug problem. True. Not only the whole "soft on crime" thing, but if you look at it from a cop's point of view, advocating to repeal prohibition is like advocating for a huge pay cut. Wouldn't it be great to heal the world, with only a song? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33598366 United States 06/29/2013 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Disagree, the reason why it is not legal has nothing to do with taxes. It has everything about controlling the demand of it which controls the price which limits competition. Mafia, Cartel, and the goverments have 0 interest in legalizing anything... they make too much money now off the illegal selling, making, and distributing of drugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16050694 Right on brother! |
The Myth User ID: 38665966 Canada 06/29/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because then they wouldn't have to steal it from the evidence room to get high?!?!? Quoting: Saddletramp Why is it that people always assume that if you are in favor of drug law reform, that you are a drug user? I know tons of people who don't do drugs who are smart enough to see how damaging the current system is. Is it really that difficult to comprehend? Wouldn't it be great to heal the world, with only a song? |
Citizenperth User ID: 42453258 Australia 06/29/2013 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because after having a pack of 'winny heads', instead of that third tipple bourbon, at 4 in the morning, you're more likely to have pizza than a punch up..... It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33598366 United States 06/29/2013 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Disagree, the reason why it is not legal has nothing to do with taxes. It has everything about controlling the demand of it which controls the price which limits competition. Mafia, Cartel, and the goverments have 0 interest in legalizing anything... they make too much money now off the illegal selling, making, and distributing of drugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16050694 Right on brother! Just wanted to add to the money making machine: privatized prisons-for-profit (modern day gulags) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 41536414 Canada 06/29/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It worked in Portugal - first country to legalize marijuana use/smoke. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42417326 look it up. :) Pretty sure you guys did not legalize marijuana but decriminalized it. These are not the same thing. I want full legalization and not a decriminalization status. Either way I need some wake and bake. |
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The Myth User ID: 38665966 Canada 06/29/2013 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets not forget the prison industrial complex and the huge profits being made by incarcerating all and sundry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17098547 The three strikes policy was lobbied for by the prison industrial complex for purely profit motive that is another valid reason to not legalize mj How in the hell is that a valid reason to not legalize? Wouldn't it be great to heal the world, with only a song? |
Saddletramp User ID: 77619 United States 06/29/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because then they wouldn't have to steal it from the evidence room to get high?!?!? Quoting: Saddletramp Why is it that people always assume that if you are in favor of drug law reform, that you are a drug user? I know tons of people who don't do drugs who are smart enough to see how damaging the current system is. Is it really that difficult to comprehend? Oh bullshit, I know cops, those fuckers get stoned off of, and sell more "Evidence" than you could ever know. Audits prove that on average less than 1/3 of the drugs that make it into evidence lockers actually gets destroyed... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 06/29/2013 10:54 AM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Header User ID: 679850 United States 06/29/2013 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have read that MJ is the number one cash crop in Ca. That is a lot of missed revenue unless it was taxed like tobacco or alcohol. Just follow the money. Afghanistan is the worlds largest grower of opium poppies. Just follow the money. Columbia corners the market on coca bushes and coke production. Again you just have to follow the money trail. Who is getting rich and who has the politicians in their pocket. I can make beer, wine, even whisky with a permit but I can't grow hemp, opium poppies or coca bushes. Yet I can walk a block away and buy anything I want in any quantity I can afford. Turn on, tune, drop out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33598366 United States 06/29/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets not forget the prison industrial complex and the huge profits being made by incarcerating all and sundry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17098547 The three strikes policy was lobbied for by the prison industrial complex for purely profit motive that is another valid reason to not legalize mj But the truth of it all is here: [link to www.jackherer.com] Please read at least chapter 1, know your history people! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 41578679 United States 06/29/2013 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, but this is the kind of thing people believe when they are too stoned to think clearly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41578679 The drug cartels aren't limited to the marijuana trade. Organized crime gangs have lots of different things they can do. They're not going to fold up their tent if marijuana is legalized. Marijuana is essentially legal in many states already, because any pot-head can go to a Dr. Feelgood and lie to get a marijuana prescription. Did that somehow diminish the drug cartels? No. It didn't. They lost tons of business because of the supposedly-medicinal-marijuana con game. Didn't faze them. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. This isn't a bunch of potheads sitting around a fire dreaming up a way to end prohibition, this is a group of dedicated, long term professional law enforcement officers (most of whom probably do not partake). They are smart enough to realize that the current approach has not been working, and in fact is increasing drug use statistics. Your opening statement clearly shows you have a bias, but if you examine the entire issue objectively, one cannot help but come to the same conclusion. In fact, I would go so far as to say it's a pretty sad example of your "intelligence" when you are advocating for more of the same approach that has NOT worked for DECADES, and has only served to make governments and the prison industrial complex even more rich and corrupt, while at the same time criminalizing an entire group of otherwise law abiding citizens (which the vast majority of pot smokers are, minus the fact they smoke weed). Unfortunately, people such as yourself rarely have the mental strength to break out of their programmed "drugs are bad" conditioning, and so I will leave you to wallow in your own ignorance (and no doubt smug sense of superiority over "drug users"). Or, in short, you couldn't respond to any of the very valid points I made. And that made you mad. So? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14142539 United States 06/29/2013 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Five Reasons Cops Want To Legalize Marijuana Quoting: ANHEDONIC [link to www.rollingstone.com] Excerpts: "When we ended the prohibition of alcohol, Al Capone was out of work the next day," says Stephen Downing, Los Angeles' former Deputy Chief of Police. "Our drug policy is really anti-public safety and pro-cartel, pro-street gang, because it keeps them in business." -- In the past decade, police made more than 7 million marijuana arrests, 88 percent of them for possession alone. In 2010, states spent $3.6 billion enforcing the war on pot, with blacks nearly four times as likely as whites to be arrested. That's a lot of police time and resources wasted, says former Seattle Chief of Police Norm Stamper, who had an "aha moment" about marijuana policy while working for the San Diego Police Department in the late 1960s. Cops have limited resources, and spending them on marijuana arrests will inevitably divert them from other policing. Adds Stamper, "In short, making a marijuana arrest for a simple possession case was no longer, for me, real police work." -- In addition, big Pharma will go out of business as cannibis has been proven to treat and in some cases cure numerous illness. Also, industrialized hemp would hugely impact the big corporations as it too can be used for a multitude of commercial purposes. It's all about the $$....sadly Marijuana's illegality has done very little to stop its use. A recent survey by the National Institutes of Health found that 36 percent of high school seniors had smoked marijuana in the past year. "The only way we can effectively control drugs is to create a regulatory system for all of them," says Stamper. "If you are truly a proponent of public safety, if you truly want safer communities, then it's a no-brainer that we have to end drug prohibition and treat [marijuana] as a health issue, like we did with tobacco," says Franklin. "Education and treatment is the most effective and cost-efficient way to reduce drug use." On the other hand, adds Franklin, "If you support a current system of drug prohibition, then you support the very same thing that the cartel and neighborhood gangs support. You might as well be standing next to them, shaking hands. Because they don't want an end to prohibition, either." (less than 50%) ------------------------------------------------------------- L.E.A.P. - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition [link to www.leap.cc] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is an international 501(c) 3 nonprofit organization of criminal justice professionals who bear personal witness to the wasteful futility and harms of our current drug policies. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 41578679 United States 06/29/2013 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My parents wished that I had not started to do so at 13, and I have posthumously agreed with them for quite a few years. Quoting: Deaf Cat It stunted the development of my socialization skills as I was already on the far end of the introverted spectrum. It brought me right back into a new, fascinating internal world right as I was beginning to break out of the shell of my already formed one. I believe I would have been better off had I stayed clear of it until I could define for myself what a true friend is. So marijuana is bad. OK. |
Citizenperth User ID: 42453258 Australia 06/29/2013 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i'm going to go work for the pot destruction team :) MAAHAHAH cough* MAAHAHAHA cough* It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38044523 United States 06/29/2013 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just talked with a good friend who's a LEO (forgive me, I'm not mentioning for what agency or where for obvious reasons), and he said many of the same things to me. Obviously, they still have to treat it as the crime it is, but he says the attitudes internally are changing as LEOs are getting tired of being put in such dangerous positions over such a harmless drug. Wish I could be more specific but this is one of the few good guys, don't want to put him in any kind of bad spot for sharing his views with me! |
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Citizenperth User ID: 42453258 Australia 06/29/2013 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you hungry man... damn. i think we need pizza....... It's life as we know it, but only just. [link to citizenperth.wordpress.com] sic ut vos es vos should exsisto , denego alius vicis facio vos change , exsisto youself , proprie |
Esoteric Morgan ...in awe of many things User ID: 26943919 United States 06/29/2013 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Disagree, the reason why it is not legal has nothing to do with taxes. It has everything about controlling the demand of it which controls the price which limits competition. Mafia, Cartel, and the goverments have 0 interest in legalizing anything... they make too much money now off the illegal selling, making, and distributing of drugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16050694 ^^^^ this. I believe this is a huge part of the debacle. -- TRUST THE PLAN -- .......WWG1WGA...... ____________________________ still in awe of many things |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4655644 United States 06/29/2013 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It doesn't matter what the cops want or feel about legalization or decriminalization or whatever because it is Government that will NEVER change the way things "work" for one BIG reason: Search & Seizure! They steal 100's of billions (maybe trillions actually) from all sides in the "War", Cartels, Distribution, Users AND Taxpayers. The Government will NEVER give up that cash cow. |
Eggcellent Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 30199236 United States 06/29/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When an adult uses marijuana, they sort of "revert" back to their childhood, experiencing a suspension of disbelief and a willingness to try new experiences, discover the exotic within familiar and everyday routines, and to surrender to fun and joy. Childrens' brains are still forming, and they should be allowed to experience the brief "childhood" years naturally and unspoiled. How could an adult "go back" to childhood if it had never been allowed to happen? "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42526003 United States 06/29/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [ Quoting: Saddletramp Oh bullshit, I know cops, those fuckers get stoned off of "Evidence" more than you could ever know. Audits prove that less than 1/3 of the drugs that make it into evidence lockers actually gets destroyed... That is why the oft repeated claims that the THC content of weed is supposed to have gone up so much-they based the historic % on what had been seized, and was still in evidence lockers 20 years later. How bad does weed have to be to still be in the evidence locker 20 years later??? |