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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 865798 United States 07/17/2013 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! The things that can be done with all this data. Quoting: --Voltaic-- Expand roads as needed to growth. Deploy law enforcement as needed. Dictate the best time for red/green lights to minimize traffic back up. Produce needed medications before hand. Allocated money to education systems. Identify bio/chem attacks earlier. Determine which vehicles are safest, worst. Watch trends in social behavior to predict social choices such as elections. Learn what makes people riot, learn how to calm people. What commercials work best, why. it goes on and on!!!! and on and on!!!! Yep. Include all that with the amount of data being collected on each individual. I would imagine, if they have the processing power, that they could create probability matrixes and be extremely accurate, except for minor (or major) novelty points occurring. |
Professional Amateur Cancelling Tomorrow User ID: 1441871 United States 07/17/2013 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! I don't know for sure and I am speculating, but I feel that the NSA is collecting data but does not have the capability to track everyone's movements with this type of analytics, too much processing power required for everyone. What they would do is, if they suspect you, they can locate your signature and create a profile. Then make decisions based on the data visualization profile. Quoting: Professional Amateur Think again about processing power: [link to www.dwavesys.com] Yep, this is exactly what I was going to bring up. It's a real badass machine. The part that is a bit suspect to me is that they are using languages like Python to programm that thing. The crux is that these languages have an GIL (Global Interpreter Lock, locking memory, HDD, etc. for the current process), so you can't really do more than one writing/reading process at a time... If that is true they can't use these machines to the max (as of today). I briefly looked at the website. Just a marketing plow. The secret is being able to read 0's and 1's as they say, simultaneously, but what is probably happening, is the computer is reading them so fast, it has the appearance of reading them simultaneously, but actually one at a time. Does that make sense? I don't think we have a full understanding of quantum computing yet. What they are doing is processing data fast. And that's cool, but it's just a supercomputer. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 865798 United States 07/17/2013 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! Quoting: Septenary Spirals It's a real badass machine. The part that is a bit suspect to me is that they are using languages like Python to programm that thing. The crux is that these languages have an GIL (Global Interpreter Lock, locking memory, HDD, etc. for the current process), so you can't really do more than one writing/reading process at a time... If that is true they can't use these machines to the max (as of today). I briefly looked at the website. Just a marketing plow. The secret is being able to read 0's and 1's as they say, simultaneously, but what is probably happening, is the computer is reading them so fast, it has the appearance of reading them simultaneously, but actually one at a time. Does that make sense? I don't think we have a full understanding of quantum computing yet. What they are doing is processing data fast. And that's cool, but it's just a supercomputer. That makes perfect sense. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 865798 United States 07/17/2013 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! Check out this .gov site. This is what I'm talking about! Holy cow! Immersive Information Visualization Los Alamos National Laboratory Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory [link to vis.lbl.gov] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1433745 United States 07/17/2013 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! The vast majority of the populace have no clue. The few who do know some of the capabilities still think it is all simple keyword based. Why do you think there's a "list" of keywords that they "supposedly" look at (all the alphabit soup orgs)? Data mining (SEARCH) is far beyond google and all the others. Think about this.... All the threads you've clicked on the last 2 days. Then think about all the posts you've made in the last 2 days. Merely clicking on a link says a lot about you, your frame of mind and your propensity to do one thing or another. I could write a 400 page dissertation in a blog and sprinkle it with say 10 key phrases. By the time the last page is indexed, those phrases will have already been found. "They don't have the resources to dynamically analyze...." Think of a baseball stadium. Now take all the floorspace and fill it with Hard drive arrays. now layer it up to the ceiling. Now multiply that by 1000, and multiply that by another thousand. That is what is out there, and ever expanding. knowledge is power. And those with the most knowledge win. You cannot take your money with you, but YOU CAN TAKE KNOWLEDGE WITH YOU...... Think about that for a while, let it sink in. my $0.02 |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 865798 United States 07/17/2013 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! The vast majority of the populace have no clue. The few who do know some of the capabilities still think it is all simple keyword based. Why do you think there's a "list" of keywords that they "supposedly" look at (all the alphabit soup orgs)? Data mining (SEARCH) is far beyond google and all the others. Think about this.... All the threads you've clicked on the last 2 days. Then think about all the posts you've made in the last 2 days. Merely clicking on a link says a lot about you, your frame of mind and your propensity to do one thing or another. I could write a 400 page dissertation in a blog and sprinkle it with say 10 key phrases. By the time the last page is indexed, those phrases will have already been found. "They don't have the resources to dynamically analyze...." Think of a baseball stadium. Now take all the floorspace and fill it with Hard drive arrays. now layer it up to the ceiling. Now multiply that by 1000, and multiply that by another thousand. That is what is out there, and ever expanding. knowledge is power. And those with the most knowledge win. You cannot take your money with you, but YOU CAN TAKE KNOWLEDGE WITH YOU...... Think about that for a while, let it sink in. my $0.02 Great post. The part about tracking internet 'clicks' I was thinking about during lunch. What a profile you could build just on that alone. My wife works in commercial real estate and has seen some of the storage 'warehouses' on the inside. She said they are absolutely massive, just like you described above. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1433745 United States 07/17/2013 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! ....SNIP.... knowledge is power. And those with the most knowledge win. You cannot take your money with you, but YOU CAN TAKE KNOWLEDGE WITH YOU...... Think about that for a while, let it sink in. my $0.02 Great post. The part about tracking internet 'clicks' I was thinking about during lunch. What a profile you could build just on that alone. My wife works in commercial real estate and has seen some of the storage 'warehouses' on the inside. She said they are absolutely massive, just like you described above. You will never see or know where these data centers are. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43571321 Germany 07/17/2013 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! Quoting: Septenary Spirals It's a real badass machine. The part that is a bit suspect to me is that they are using languages like Python to programm that thing. The crux is that these languages have an GIL (Global Interpreter Lock, locking memory, HDD, etc. for the current process), so you can't really do more than one writing/reading process at a time... If that is true they can't use these machines to the max (as of today). I briefly looked at the website. Just a marketing plow. The secret is being able to read 0's and 1's as they say, simultaneously, but what is probably happening, is the computer is reading them so fast, it has the appearance of reading them simultaneously, but actually one at a time. Does that make sense? I don't think we have a full understanding of quantum computing yet. What they are doing is processing data fast. And that's cool, but it's just a supercomputer. Just marketing? I don't think so: [link to www.technologyreview.com] Here you go if you want to know more how this thing works: [link to www.dwavesys.com] 0's and 1's? Not exactly: ---snip--- Quantum mechanics can give us a helping hand with this problem. The fundamental power of a quantum computer comes from the idea that you can put bits of information into a superposition of states. You can think of this as being a situation where the qubit has not yet decided which state it wants to be in. Some people like to refer to the qubit in superposition as 'being in both states at the same time'. You can alternatively think of the qubit's state as being undecided as to whether it is +1 or -1. Which means that using a quantum computer, our light switches can be ON and OFF at the same time ---snip--- |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43571321 Germany 07/17/2013 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! It's a real badass machine. The part that is a bit suspect to me is that they are using languages like Python to programm that thing. The crux is that these languages have an GIL (Global Interpreter Lock, locking memory, HDD, etc. for the current process), so you can't really do more than one writing/reading process at a time... If that is true they can't use these machines to the max (as of today). I briefly looked at the website. Just a marketing plow. The secret is being able to read 0's and 1's as they say, simultaneously, but what is probably happening, is the computer is reading them so fast, it has the appearance of reading them simultaneously, but actually one at a time. Does that make sense? I don't think we have a full understanding of quantum computing yet. What they are doing is processing data fast. And that's cool, but it's just a supercomputer. Just marketing? I don't think so: [link to www.technologyreview.com] Here you go if you want to know more how this thing works: [link to www.dwavesys.com] 0's and 1's? Not exactly: ---snip--- Quantum mechanics can give us a helping hand with this problem. The fundamental power of a quantum computer comes from the idea that you can put bits of information into a superposition of states. You can think of this as being a situation where the qubit has not yet decided which state it wants to be in. Some people like to refer to the qubit in superposition as 'being in both states at the same time'. You can alternatively think of the qubit's state as being undecided as to whether it is +1 or -1. Which means that using a quantum computer, our light switches can be ON and OFF at the same time ---snip--- upsss, forgot the link for the quote: [link to www.dwavesys.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28853613 United States 07/17/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! The things that can be done with all this data. Quoting: --Voltaic-- Expand roads as needed to growth. Deploy law enforcement as needed. Dictate the best time for red/green lights to minimize traffic back up. Produce needed medications before hand. Allocated money to education systems. Identify bio/chem attacks earlier. Determine which vehicles are safest, worst. Watch trends in social behavior to predict social choices such as elections. Learn what makes people riot, learn how to calm people. What commercials work best, why. it goes on and on!!!! and on and on!!!! Are you drunk with power? Decisions will no longer be you're own. You will be fully manipulated and controlled by the state. This is the matrix. You and the elite are complete Control Freaks because you are so addicted to knowledge and so afraid of what you don't know. Humans still have souls and a conscience no matter how much the control freaks try to escape death and achieve immortality. An eternal life without love is prison. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 865798 United States 07/17/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! ....SNIP.... knowledge is power. And those with the most knowledge win. You cannot take your money with you, but YOU CAN TAKE KNOWLEDGE WITH YOU...... Think about that for a while, let it sink in. my $0.02 Great post. The part about tracking internet 'clicks' I was thinking about during lunch. What a profile you could build just on that alone. My wife works in commercial real estate and has seen some of the storage 'warehouses' on the inside. She said they are absolutely massive, just like you described above. You will never see or know where these data centers are. She didn't talk about it much. It was out in Oak Ridge, TN. Had to get a ton of clearance to enter. Had a guard or something with her as the guy was showing her around. They have that super computer out there. She saw the storage facility for the super computer stuff. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43571321 Germany 07/17/2013 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! Quoting: Septenary Spirals It's a real badass machine. The part that is a bit suspect to me is that they are using languages like Python to programm that thing. The crux is that these languages have an GIL (Global Interpreter Lock, locking memory, HDD, etc. for the current process), so you can't really do more than one writing/reading process at a time... If that is true they can't use these machines to the max (as of today). What do you think about them having stuff more advanced than this that they don't release to the public? I would think that would be a resounding "Of Course!" Know what I mean? Exactly, but they do release it to the public: [link to golang.org] It's also a badass, especially in multithreading. |
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Professional Amateur Cancelling Tomorrow User ID: 1441871 United States 07/17/2013 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! It's a real badass machine. The part that is a bit suspect to me is that they are using languages like Python to programm that thing. The crux is that these languages have an GIL (Global Interpreter Lock, locking memory, HDD, etc. for the current process), so you can't really do more than one writing/reading process at a time... If that is true they can't use these machines to the max (as of today). I briefly looked at the website. Just a marketing plow. The secret is being able to read 0's and 1's as they say, simultaneously, but what is probably happening, is the computer is reading them so fast, it has the appearance of reading them simultaneously, but actually one at a time. Does that make sense? I don't think we have a full understanding of quantum computing yet. What they are doing is processing data fast. And that's cool, but it's just a supercomputer. Just marketing? I don't think so: [link to www.technologyreview.com] Here you go if you want to know more how this thing works: [link to www.dwavesys.com] 0's and 1's? Not exactly: ---snip--- Quantum mechanics can give us a helping hand with this problem. The fundamental power of a quantum computer comes from the idea that you can put bits of information into a superposition of states. You can think of this as being a situation where the qubit has not yet decided which state it wants to be in. Some people like to refer to the qubit in superposition as 'being in both states at the same time'. You can alternatively think of the qubit's state as being undecided as to whether it is +1 or -1. Which means that using a quantum computer, our light switches can be ON and OFF at the same time ---snip--- From your link: :While regular computers symbolize data in bits, 1s and 0s expressed by flicking tiny switch-like transistors on or off, quantum computers use quantum bits, or qubits, that can essentially be both on and off, enabling them to carry out two or more calculations simultaneously. In principle, quantum computers could prove extraordinarily much faster than normal computers for certain problems because they can run through every possible combination at once. In fact, a quantum computer with 300 qubits could run more calculations in an instant than there are atoms in the universe. Read the bold part, it is is exactly what I said. From my understanding, that is not quantum, that is just fast. Quantum to me means, there is no need for calculation time. It just is. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43571321 Germany 07/17/2013 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! From your link: Quoting: Professional Amateur :While regular computers symbolize data in bits, 1s and 0s expressed by flicking tiny switch-like transistors on or off, quantum computers use quantum bits, or qubits, that can essentially be both on and off, enabling them to carry out two or more calculations simultaneously. In principle, quantum computers could prove extraordinarily much faster than normal computers for certain problems because they can run through every possible combination at once. In fact, a quantum computer with 300 qubits could run more calculations in an instant than there are atoms in the universe. Read the bold part, it is is exactly what I said. From my understanding, that is not quantum, that is just fast. Quantum to me means, there is no need for calculation time. It just is. Ok, I missunterstood your argument. But the documentation is from the Dwave One System, now they are on Version 2, a bit faster... Regarding 'no need for calculation time': I don't think this will ever get realised, think about it: The developer provides the generating function, initiates the computation, and then the system starts 'thinking' about the generating function in the following, iterative way: 1 - First, a series of random solutions are generated by the conventional computing system. 2 - The quality of these guesses is evaluated by passing them into the generating function. 3 - The real numbers characterizing the goodness of the solutions are sent to the D-Wave OneTM System. 4 - The D-Wave OneTM System automatically adjusts itself based on this feedback, and then generates a series of guesses, informed by the results received. 5 - These new guesses are sent back to the conventional system, where their goodness is evaluated. 6 - Steps 3-5 are repeated until exit criteria are met. |
Requiemdream (Ghost) User ID: 42922553 United States 07/17/2013 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! this site is the most interesting I have found for live data analysis, if you're interested: [link to www.recordedfuture.com (secure)] Perpetually dumbfounded. “I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more." C.S. Lewis “Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can break hearts.” Tim Minchin |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 865798 United States 07/17/2013 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! this site is the most interesting I have found for live data analysis, if you're interested: Quoting: Requiemdream (Ghost) [link to www.recordedfuture.com (secure)] nice! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1576616 United States 07/17/2013 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! also something that freaked me out years ago was some professor would study people's habbit by what came out of their sewage. like illegal drugs and prescriptions what you were eating all that stuff. I haven't heard of the government doing this but I wouldn't put it passed them. |
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joshua User ID: 36323218 United States 07/17/2013 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Data Visualization - Want to See what They Can Do with Collected Data? Much More than You Think! I've experienced some of this applied technology; there is some consciousness that has foreknowledge of my whereabouts, mental state, weaknesses and decision tree; it also has the ability to coordinate multiple, apparently random actors, sequences of events and triggers to create a sense of fear, activate alter egos and push one into the desired reaction. However, I also know intuitively that before this machine/consciousness acquires the ability to completely take over our lives and tear apart the fabric of society it will be destroyed by an act of nature, a transformation so powerful that it will be something akin to the fall of the Roman Empire or Babylon. Stay strong because encountering this phenomena has the effect of rapidly increasing one's awareness and attracting "helpers" who will counteract the fear/paranoia/isolation that is associated with it. Good luck! |