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The Two Witnesses ARE here.

 
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So 144,000 are all going to die and lie in the arena, and after 72 hours 144,000 are going to come back to life. Best reread your Bible. This one my dear you are wrong on big time.
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The 144k firstfruits, the 2 witnesses, the church in philadelphia, the male child, the wise virgins, the New Jerusalem is all the bride. The bride make up the rulers and priests of the new jerusalem, that's why they are described as the precious stones that decorate the city! They will rule the nations with an iron rod as Jesus gives them this authority.

It's all the same group.......the bride without spot or wrinkle. It's not all different groups, this is just different ways of talking about and describing THE SAME GROUP! The bride will be a small group because the letters in revelation shows that only ONE church was approved of, the ones in philadelphia. Most christians in the world will not make it, only a small remnant were faithful. The rest will have to be tried and tested before they are approved.

This is it! We (the faithful bride) is taken out of here at the 7th trump, the 3.50 year mark, half way through the final 7 years.. This is her reward to be saved from the hour of testing because she has already proved herself worthy. The "testing" is the mark of the beast which follows the 7th trump.


The foolish virgins are the ones that didn't make it because they were found wanting, they are the group that is left behind to be refined by fire. They are the group that the beast is given permission to make war with (test them) as they need to prove themselves worthy now. They are the "other offspring" in revelation 12. They will have to endure this trial for 3.50 years till the end.


I believe this is the truth.......of course I could be wrong, we could all be wrong.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I will let the Bible speak for itself, I hope you have eyes to see and ears to hear.


King James Version (KJV)


11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43801466


The seventh trump is at the end of the seven years, not the 3.5 year mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43801466


Yea, I used to believe that to until I sat down and studied the book of revelation in depth and even made a time line as to what occured in each chapter. Then I saw that the 7th trump is at the 3.50 mark. Sorry, that's what the bible says. I used to believe it was at the end too, but read my post above and then compare to the book of revelation and see for yourself.
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The 144k firstfruits, the 2 witnesses, the church in philadelphia, the male child, the wise virgins, the New Jerusalem is all the bride. The bride make up the rulers and priests of the new jerusalem, that's why they are described as the precious stones that decorate the city! They will rule the nations with an iron rod as Jesus gives them this authority.

It's all the same group.......the bride without spot or wrinkle. It's not all different groups, this is just different ways of talking about and describing THE SAME GROUP! The bride will be a small group because the letters in revelation shows that only ONE church was approved of, the ones in philadelphia. Most christians in the world will not make it, only a small remnant were faithful. The rest will have to be tried and tested before they are approved.

This is it! We (the faithful bride) is taken out of here at the 7th trump, the 3.50 year mark, half way through the final 7 years.. This is her reward to be saved from the hour of testing because she has already proved herself worthy. The "testing" is the mark of the beast which follows the 7th trump.


The foolish virgins are the ones that didn't make it because they were found wanting, they are the group that is left behind to be refined by fire. They are the group that the beast is given permission to make war with (test them) as they need to prove themselves worthy now. They are the "other offspring" in revelation 12. They will have to endure this trial for 3.50 years till the end.


I believe this is the truth.......of course I could be wrong, we could all be wrong.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I will let the Bible speak for itself, I hope you have eyes to see and ears to hear.


King James Version (KJV)


11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43801466


The seventh trump is at the end of the seven years, not the 3.5 year mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43801466


Yea, I used to believe that to until I sat down and studied the book of revelation in depth and even made a time line as to what occured in each chapter. Then I saw that the 7th trump is at the 3.50 mark. Sorry, that's what the bible says. I used to believe it was at the end too, but read my post above and then compare to the book of revelation and see for yourself.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



The problem is the revelations are not linear so stop thinking linear. They are laid out in a circular fashion. Some things are very sequential in revelations and some are not. For those with ears let them hear. Another err which I saw is the reference that Christ Jesus is God. No that is an abomination and very much anti-Christ. Christ was the Son of God that sits at the right hand of the Father, God. The Christ as God is part of the 'mystery'.
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I will let the Bible speak for itself, I hope you have eyes to see and ears to hear.


King James Version (KJV)


11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43801466


The seventh trump is at the end of the seven years, not the 3.5 year mark.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43801466


Yea, I used to believe that to until I sat down and studied the book of revelation in depth and even made a time line as to what occured in each chapter. Then I saw that the 7th trump is at the 3.50 mark. Sorry, that's what the bible says. I used to believe it was at the end too, but read my post above and then compare to the book of revelation and see for yourself.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



The problem is the revelations are not linear so stop thinking linear. They are laid out in a circular fashion. Some things are very sequential in revelations and some are not. For those with ears let them hear. Another err which I saw is the reference that Christ Jesus is God. No that is an abomination and very much anti-Christ. Christ was the Son of God that sits at the right hand of the Father, God. The Christ as God is part of the 'mystery'.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


You're argued points before and found out later that you were wrong :):):)

I saw a vision of Jesus literally stepping out from inside The Father. That was how He explained it to me, the unexplainable.

I'll trust Him and not man's interpretation.

hf
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No good news guys. Sorry. They don't have anything good to say about our world and God is pretty angry at us. The sealed book of Daniel has been revealed. I am warning you, the news is not good. I am truly sorry. We are all on the brink of the end and death is imminent, either by martyrdom, or by the judgements that have already started. I love you all my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I hope and pray that we all see the Lord swiftly. you can contact me directly at [email protected]. I have been studying these two individuals for awhile now and I can assure you, they are real. What did you expect the Two Witnesses to do or say? They are here to warn us of the coming disasters, the Anti-Christ, and overall, Jesus is coming VERY SOON! Jesus said that his children hear his voice and answer his call. Can you hear it? God bless you all!
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No they are not.
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No they are not is correct. The focus is in Jerusalem in sackcloth, prophesy and a prescribed period of 1260 days which is the Great Tribulation. These two our OP is enamored with speak in generalities which can be spiritually uplifting but do not address what is really going on, what has happened, what is happening and what is going to happen. The two witnesses work in tandem which is the prescribed method throughout the bible. Christ sent his disciples out in at least groups of two. He said where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am also. Paul said if there is one who speaks in angelic tongues then there must be an interpreter or they are to remain silent. If there are one or two to prophesy, then there is one to interpret and judge.

No doubt our Lord will return soon, but these two are not the two witnesses.
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I thought Brother Nathanael Kapner is one of the witnesses because he is so hated.
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Wow, hateful karma for sharing my vision from the Lord. Whoever you are, I pray that you would stop hating others.
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Wow, hateful karma for sharing my vision from the Lord. Whoever you are, I pray that you would stop hating others.
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I dont' understand why someone would do that. We disagree on this one issue. I would post verses, but some of them are blocked by the powers that be including key words.

Rapture takes place when the winds stop after the 6th seal is opened. Flesh is saved for the elect's sake because the days are shortened. 144,000 and the two witnesses are left behind. The multitude is taken up in the clouds out of the Great Tribulation. The last 1260 days start.

Key words, "flesh is saved" Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Flesh is in the clouds (the multitude). The final battle takes place, and the seventh trumpet is sounded. All of the saved and first resurrection are changed to the incorruptible spirit (first Adam is gone) The Kingdom comes and now you can enter Heaven.

Paul says at the last trumpet all are changed and "we who are left behind" (key words) (he must be of the 144,000 or one of the two witnesses) (add those who have endured and found Christ) are called up with the others (multitude already taken out ) into the clouds.

Paul says we (the saved) escape wrath. The lowly after the sixth seal is opened say the day of wrath is come. The rapture has no purpose at the seventh trumpet. If one is left in the field and the other taken then what would be the purpose at the seventh trumpet? What wrath would there be if the battle is won, the antichrist is defeated and Christ starts his millenial reign? Plus flesh is saved and it still has to be transformed something similar to what Christ did with 40 days and then ascension.


God bless!
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Wow, hateful karma for sharing my vision from the Lord. Whoever you are, I pray that you would stop hating others.
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I dont' understand why someone would do that. We disagree on this one issue. I would post verses, but some of them are blocked by the powers that be including key words.

Rapture takes place when the winds stop after the 6th seal is opened. Flesh is saved for the elect's sake because the days are shortened. 144,000 and the two witnesses are left behind. The multitude is taken up in the clouds out of the Great Tribulation. The last 1260 days start.

Key words, "flesh is saved" Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Flesh is in the clouds (the multitude). The final battle takes place, and the seventh trumpet is sounded. All of the saved and first resurrection are changed to the incorruptible spirit (first Adam is gone) The Kingdom comes and now you can enter Heaven.

Paul says at the last trumpet all are changed and "we who are left behind" (key words) (he must be of the 144,000 or one of the two witnesses) (add those who have endured and found Christ) are called up with the others (multitude already taken out ) into the clouds.

Paul says we (the saved) escape wrath. The lowly after the sixth seal is opened say the day of wrath is come. The rapture has no purpose at the seventh trumpet. If one is left in the field and the other taken then what would be the purpose at the seventh trumpet? What wrath would there be if the battle is won, the antichrist is defeated and Christ starts his millenial reign? Plus flesh is saved and it still has to be transformed something similar to what Christ did with 40 days and then ascension.


God bless!
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


The "Rapture" is a false doctrine. By speaking of it on here, you mislead people and speak against our Saviour. The new heavens that God creates symbolize the new era which is ushered in by the man child in Rev 12:3, who represents the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ with the everlasting gospel. In this coming Jesus Christ does not come in person from on high in a visible sense for all people to see, as He will on the last day. (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. No, in this spiritual coming He comes forth as the Branch (Isa 11:1) from the roots of the shoot, which means that only roots are left of the true apostolic church when He comes in this manner according to Scripture. This is what is foretold in Isa 66:7-8.

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Wow, hateful karma for sharing my vision from the Lord. Whoever you are, I pray that you would stop hating others.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I dont' understand why someone would do that. We disagree on this one issue. I would post verses, but some of them are blocked by the powers that be including key words.

Rapture takes place when the winds stop after the 6th seal is opened. Flesh is saved for the elect's sake because the days are shortened. 144,000 and the two witnesses are left behind. The multitude is taken up in the clouds out of the Great Tribulation. The last 1260 days start.

Key words, "flesh is saved" Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Flesh is in the clouds (the multitude). The final battle takes place, and the seventh trumpet is sounded. All of the saved and first resurrection are changed to the incorruptible spirit (first Adam is gone) The Kingdom comes and now you can enter Heaven.

Paul says at the last trumpet all are changed and "we who are left behind" (key words) (he must be of the 144,000 or one of the two witnesses) (add those who have endured and found Christ) are called up with the others (multitude already taken out ) into the clouds.

Paul says we (the saved) escape wrath. The lowly after the sixth seal is opened say the day of wrath is come. The rapture has no purpose at the seventh trumpet. If one is left in the field and the other taken then what would be the purpose at the seventh trumpet? What wrath would there be if the battle is won, the antichrist is defeated and Christ starts his millenial reign? Plus flesh is saved and it still has to be transformed something similar to what Christ did with 40 days and then ascension.


God bless!
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


The "Rapture" is a false doctrine. By speaking of it on here, you mislead people and speak against our Saviour. The new heavens that God creates symbolize the new era which is ushered in by the man child in Rev 12:3, who represents the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ with the everlasting gospel. In this coming Jesus Christ does not come in person from on high in a visible sense for all people to see, as He will on the last day. (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. No, in this spiritual coming He comes forth as the Branch (Isa 11:1) from the roots of the shoot, which means that only roots are left of the true apostolic church when He comes in this manner according to Scripture. This is what is foretold in Isa 66:7-8.

RockyMtnLady
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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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Wow, hateful karma for sharing my vision from the Lord. Whoever you are, I pray that you would stop hating others.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


I dont' understand why someone would do that. We disagree on this one issue. I would post verses, but some of them are blocked by the powers that be including key words.

Rapture takes place when the winds stop after the 6th seal is opened. Flesh is saved for the elect's sake because the days are shortened. 144,000 and the two witnesses are left behind. The multitude is taken up in the clouds out of the Great Tribulation. The last 1260 days start.

Key words, "flesh is saved" Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Flesh is in the clouds (the multitude). The final battle takes place, and the seventh trumpet is sounded. All of the saved and first resurrection are changed to the incorruptible spirit (first Adam is gone) The Kingdom comes and now you can enter Heaven.

Paul says at the last trumpet all are changed and "we who are left behind" (key words) (he must be of the 144,000 or one of the two witnesses) (add those who have endured and found Christ) are called up with the others (multitude already taken out ) into the clouds.

Paul says we (the saved) escape wrath. The lowly after the sixth seal is opened say the day of wrath is come. The rapture has no purpose at the seventh trumpet. If one is left in the field and the other taken then what would be the purpose at the seventh trumpet? What wrath would there be if the battle is won, the antichrist is defeated and Christ starts his millenial reign? Plus flesh is saved and it still has to be transformed something similar to what Christ did with 40 days and then ascension.


God bless!
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


The "Rapture" is a false doctrine. By speaking of it on here, you mislead people and speak against our Saviour. The new heavens that God creates symbolize the new era which is ushered in by the man child in Rev 12:3, who represents the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ with the everlasting gospel. In this coming Jesus Christ does not come in person from on high in a visible sense for all people to see, as He will on the last day. (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. No, in this spiritual coming He comes forth as the Branch (Isa 11:1) from the roots of the shoot, which means that only roots are left of the true apostolic church when He comes in this manner according to Scripture. This is what is foretold in Isa 66:7-8.

RockyMtnLady
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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to the our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

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I dont' understand why someone would do that. We disagree on this one issue. I would post verses, but some of them are blocked by the powers that be including key words.

Rapture takes place when the winds stop after the 6th seal is opened. Flesh is saved for the elect's sake because the days are shortened. 144,000 and the two witnesses are left behind. The multitude is taken up in the clouds out of the Great Tribulation. The last 1260 days start.

Key words, "flesh is saved" Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Flesh is in the clouds (the multitude). The final battle takes place, and the seventh trumpet is sounded. All of the saved and first resurrection are changed to the incorruptible spirit (first Adam is gone) The Kingdom comes and now you can enter Heaven.

Paul says at the last trumpet all are changed and "we who are left behind" (key words) (he must be of the 144,000 or one of the two witnesses) (add those who have endured and found Christ) are called up with the others (multitude already taken out ) into the clouds.

Paul says we (the saved) escape wrath. The lowly after the sixth seal is opened say the day of wrath is come. The rapture has no purpose at the seventh trumpet. If one is left in the field and the other taken then what would be the purpose at the seventh trumpet? What wrath would there be if the battle is won, the antichrist is defeated and Christ starts his millenial reign? Plus flesh is saved and it still has to be transformed something similar to what Christ did with 40 days and then ascension.


God bless!
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The "Rapture" is a false doctrine. By speaking of it on here, you mislead people and speak against our Saviour. The new heavens that God creates symbolize the new era which is ushered in by the man child in Rev 12:3, who represents the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ with the everlasting gospel. In this coming Jesus Christ does not come in person from on high in a visible sense for all people to see, as He will on the last day. (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. No, in this spiritual coming He comes forth as the Branch (Isa 11:1) from the roots of the shoot, which means that only roots are left of the true apostolic church when He comes in this manner according to Scripture. This is what is foretold in Isa 66:7-8.

RockyMtnLady
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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to the our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
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The "Rapture" is a false doctrine. By speaking of it on here, you mislead people and speak against our Saviour. The new heavens that God creates symbolize the new era which is ushered in by the man child in Rev 12:3, who represents the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ with the everlasting gospel. In this coming Jesus Christ does not come in person from on high in a visible sense for all people to see, as He will on the last day. (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. No, in this spiritual coming He comes forth as the Branch (Isa 11:1) from the roots of the shoot, which means that only roots are left of the true apostolic church when He comes in this manner according to Scripture. This is what is foretold in Isa 66:7-8.

RockyMtnLady
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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to the our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.
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Do you think our Saviour was incorrect when he said (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.?

or, do you think you could be taking "flesh is saved" out of context?

I a curious to know how you position the rapture when our Saviour clearly states he will raise us up on the LAST DAY. What is meant by that Scripture?

RockyMtnLady
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The "Rapture" is a false doctrine. By speaking of it on here, you mislead people and speak against our Saviour. The new heavens that God creates symbolize the new era which is ushered in by the man child in Rev 12:3, who represents the spiritual coming of Jesus Christ with the everlasting gospel. In this coming Jesus Christ does not come in person from on high in a visible sense for all people to see, as He will on the last day. (John 6:39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. No, in this spiritual coming He comes forth as the Branch (Isa 11:1) from the roots of the shoot, which means that only roots are left of the true apostolic church when He comes in this manner according to Scripture. This is what is foretold in Isa 66:7-8.

RockyMtnLady
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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to the our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
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Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

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The 2 witnesses, Henoch and Elias will only come back after the Antichrist has revealed Himself. So this is nonsense.
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[link to www.testimonyofthetwowitnesses.com]

No good news guys. Sorry. They don't have anything good to say about our world and God is pretty angry at us. The sealed book of Daniel has been revealed. I am warning you, the news is not good. I am truly sorry. We are all on the brink of the end and death is imminent, either by martyrdom, or by the judgements that have already started. I love you all my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I hope and pray that we all see the Lord swiftly. you can contact me directly at [email protected]. I have been studying these two individuals for awhile now and I can assure you, they are real. What did you expect the Two Witnesses to do or say? They are here to warn us of the coming disasters, the Anti-Christ, and overall, Jesus is coming VERY SOON! Jesus said that his children hear his voice and answer his call. Can you hear it? God bless you all!
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false prophet...the witnesses have not arrived yet...and i would know if they had arrived.
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Not what my 'Guardians' tell me..........Daniel brings forth 'Truth' and 'Peace'.........believe or not makes no difference......

A message to TPTB It is no longer your decision......... hf
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x 1000000000
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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to the our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

RockyMtnLady
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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
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These two witnesses push SUNDAY worship which is not Gods design. The Sabbath should be kept Holy. Anyone worshipping SUNDAY worships the Roman ChristoPagan Design started by Constantine. These witnesses are FALSE!
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Saturnday worship is even older the Sunday worship.
and by the way you, those of english speaking and other occidental languages do not know the real name of the seventh day :), which is not sun day :)

shift the paradigm forward, brother paradigmshift not backwards

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So the acolyte of the false witness PJ rears her ugly head? You have discounted the testimony of Christ, and the letters of Paul.

You follow someone who is "one" count "one" self proclaimed witness who has the meter expired on his 1260 days to prophesy in sackcloth. You cannot mix the natural with the spiritual. According to 1 Corinthians 15 we are to be raised in incorruptible spirit. Therefore, the two witnesses give testimony in the flesh and DIE in the natural before being called to Heaven.

How do you discount the effort of Christ in the natural? He fulfilled the law and ended sacrifice. He is the only one to go through the natural without sin. The veil over the holy of the holies was rent and a bridge (salvation) through him was created to the our rebirth in water and spirit. Clearly, flesh is saved for the elect's sake and the days are shortened.

Furthermore, you choose to listen to a selfproclaimed witness who does not use another testimony. From Paul we know when someone speaks in angelic tongues, then another is required to interpret or they are to remain silent. The same is true for prophesy. If one or two prophesy then there is another to discern and render judgment. It cannot be uttered by the same tongue. That is a major failure. Why would Christ send the disciples out in at least tandem and also say where two or three are gathered there I am also?

Now add to the fact that you follow someone's false testimony who proclaims themself as a cherub. How? Did he eat from the tree of life? If he is on earth, then is he fallen? If he is a witness, then how can be an angel and eternal but yet die as scripture dictates at the end of his testimony?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
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Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

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Sure we are. LOL! 144,000 are sealed in Rev 7 after the sixth seal is opened. When is the worldwide earthquake and everything other cartaclysm that is consistent in Rev 6 with Christ" testimony of the coming of the Son of Man?How can someone (an angel) accomplish a mortal task? Furthermore, if he is commisioned to prophesy in sackcloth for 1260 days and it hasn't started, then isn't it a bit premature and a wrong to announce his mission without confirmation of his counterpart as dictated by the letters of Paul?
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
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Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
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That's just foolish to think that "David's seedline" are the only one's who are sealed. And, where do you get 2018? What does that have to do with anything?

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:31)

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The seventh trump is at the end of the seven years, not the 3.5 year mark.
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Yea, I used to believe that to until I sat down and studied the book of revelation in depth and even made a time line as to what occured in each chapter. Then I saw that the 7th trump is at the 3.50 mark. Sorry, that's what the bible says. I used to believe it was at the end too, but read my post above and then compare to the book of revelation and see for yourself.
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The problem is the revelations are not linear so stop thinking linear. They are laid out in a circular fashion. Some things are very sequential in revelations and some are not. For those with ears let them hear. Another err which I saw is the reference that Christ Jesus is God. No that is an abomination and very much anti-Christ. Christ was the Son of God that sits at the right hand of the Father, God. The Christ as God is part of the 'mystery'.
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You're argued points before and found out later that you were wrong :):):)

I saw a vision of Jesus literally stepping out from inside The Father. That was how He explained it to me, the unexplainable.

I'll trust Him and not man's interpretation.

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Yea?

What that muhfucka look like?
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
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Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
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That's just foolish to think that "David's seedline" are the only one's who are sealed. And, where do you get 2018? What does that have to do with anything?

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:31)

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Denying the rapture and using scripture that supports it? You are a piece of work. You probably have no idea why the two witnesses are referred to as olive trees. You would make a good Jehovah's Witness. You try to plug more holes than swiss cheese.
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It's already happened and it's over. It's all good now. Heavan is hooking everyone up.
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I am no one's "acolyte". I speak the words that our Saviour, Jesus Christ gives me to speak. Either take it, pray about it and ask for God to give you truth in your heart or dismiss it. Our Saviour knows what you will choose.

Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men. 25 He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man. (John 2 23-25)

Good Luck and May God Bless all those who sincerely seek the truth!

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
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Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

RockyMtnLady
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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
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correction...we are not at the 6th trumpet... All the seals have to be broken before the trumpets sound...See Rev 8

we are still at the 3rd seal..See here: Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
(from financial warfare going on right now...the correction is balance, which means a collapse of the satanic Rothschild insolvent money system....)

get ready for no money and strive ...the rich will become poor and the poor will become rich....BALANCE


6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

***************
then when all seals are broken, and before the trumpets sound...the 144,000 have to be sealed before anything else can occur...see Rev 7:1

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PEOPLE...READ REVELATIONS AND MEMORIZE THE SEALS, TRUMPS, AND VIALS AND WHAT THEY MEAN SO YOU CAN RECOGNIZE BY CURRENT EVENTS WHERE WE ARE IN GOD'S PLAN....AND REMEMBER ALL 7 VIALS ARE POURED OUT AT ONCE AFTER ALL THE TRUMPS ARE SOUNDED.
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Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

RockyMtnLady
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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
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That's just foolish to think that "David's seedline" are the only one's who are sealed. And, where do you get 2018? What does that have to do with anything?

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:31)

RockyMtnLady
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Denying the rapture and using scripture that supports it? You are a piece of work. You probably have no idea why the two witnesses are referred to as olive trees. You would make a good Jehovah's Witness. You try to plug more holes than swiss cheese.
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There is just one olive tree in the spiritual sense, namely Jesus Christ, so when it is said that the two witnesses are olive trees it means that Jesus Christ is the olive oil in them and that He will be so both in the time period of the Gentiles (sixth trumpet) and in the time period of the Jews (seventh trumpet). These two periods are the two main periods of the true church of God, first in the Gentile world and next in Israel, when the woman has flown into the wilderness unto her place (Rev 12:14). When the true church comes to Israel she is still a spiritual wilderness, though such as will be turned into a green garden of truth. At that time Rom 11:25 is being fulfilled. Therefore, understand that the two witnesses' true teaching will be the two olive trees, since it will have its time first in the Gentile world and afterwards in Israel. In spite of Jesus Christ being the only tree of life Scripture shows us in Rev 22:2 that there are many trees of life, on both sides of the rives, so he is also the only olive tree in all those many olive trees who partake of His oil.

I am no Jehovah's Witness, nor am I in Babylon. You can say all you want about me but I know it is the Spirit of Anti-Christ in you and not you, so I forgive you.

You still haven't answered me about John 6"39?

RockyMtnLady
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

RockyMtnLady
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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43848440


correction...we are not at the 6th trumpet... All the seals have to be broken before the trumpets sound...See Rev 8

we are still at the 3rd seal..See here: Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
(from financial warfare going on right now...the correction is balance, which means a collapse of the satanic Rothschild insolvent money system....)

get ready for no money and strive ...the rich will become poor and the poor will become rich....BALANCE


6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

***************
then when all seals are broken, and before the trumpets sound...the 144,000 have to be sealed before anything else can occur...see Rev 7:1

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PEOPLE...READ REVELATIONS AND MEMORIZE THE SEALS, TRUMPS, AND VIALS AND WHAT THEY MEAN SO YOU CAN RECOGNIZE BY CURRENT EVENTS WHERE WE ARE IN GOD'S PLAN....AND REMEMBER ALL 7 VIALS ARE POURED OUT AT ONCE AFTER ALL THE TRUMPS ARE SOUNDED.
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Wow! Logic and scripture is used. Maybe rocky mtn lady can drag here guru into this thread.
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correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43848440


That's just foolish to think that "David's seedline" are the only one's who are sealed. And, where do you get 2018? What does that have to do with anything?

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:31)

RockyMtnLady
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Denying the rapture and using scripture that supports it? You are a piece of work. You probably have no idea why the two witnesses are referred to as olive trees. You would make a good Jehovah's Witness. You try to plug more holes than swiss cheese.
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There is just one olive tree in the spiritual sense, namely Jesus Christ, so when it is said that the two witnesses are olive trees it means that Jesus Christ is the olive oil in them and that He will be so both in the time period of the Gentiles (sixth trumpet) and in the time period of the Jews (seventh trumpet). These two periods are the two main periods of the true church of God, first in the Gentile world and next in Israel, when the woman has flown into the wilderness unto her place (Rev 12:14). When the true church comes to Israel she is still a spiritual wilderness, though such as will be turned into a green garden of truth. At that time Rom 11:25 is being fulfilled. Therefore, understand that the two witnesses' true teaching will be the two olive trees, since it will have its time first in the Gentile world and afterwards in Israel. In spite of Jesus Christ being the only tree of life Scripture shows us in Rev 22:2 that there are many trees of life, on both sides of the rives, so he is also the only olive tree in all those many olive trees who partake of His oil.

I am no Jehovah's Witness, nor am I in Babylon. You can say all you want about me but I know it is the Spirit of Anti-Christ in you and not you, so I forgive you.

You still haven't answered me about John 6"39?

RockyMtnLady
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NOPE, the two olive trees represent the 2 witnesses that are standing at the east gate of the temple....awaiting the arrival of Christ....in other words, it means the 2 witnesses arrive FIRST before satan, who comes at the 6th trumpet, and then the real Christ comes at the 7th...

the 2 witnesses will be murdered by satan and they will not be buried, they will lay in the street for all to see they can't rise...3 and 1/2 days after satan murderes them....the rise and at that INSTANT Christ comes in the clouds with his saints and instantly satan is turned to ashes along with his 1/3 angels....and at that very same moment, we shed our flesh bodies and breath air into our spiritual bodies, breath of life...and the Lord's Day begins.....Christ comes to us, here on earth, we don't go anywhere.....we live on in our real body, our spiritual body for the 1000 years...and those who are full of sin and follow satan will be on the wrong side of the gulf....on the right side is love, beauty, grace, full of pleasure and anything you want.....those that are on the wrong side, will be in darkness, sorrow, pain and suffering for they remember all the deeds they did that got them there and they hate themselves for being so stupid...in spiritual bodies, we have 100% recall of the 1st, 2nd earth ages...nobody has died....all 12B souls are alive either in this 3rd dimension or the 4th heaven dimension.
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If you want to talk spirit then we can talk spirit. The rapture is to save flesh for the elect's sake. Flesh is saved. These are the words of our Savior, not mine. The witnesses speak to the corruptible flesh (the first Adam - the natural) that is left behind. This is a testimony in the flesh to the flesh and subject to the death of flesh at the end of 1260 days. Again, not my words, but from what is written.

As far as truth is concerned, I see you didn't answer a single question because you know you can't.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Speaking of PJ....his 1260 days have not only not expired, they haven't BEGUN yet. They will begin when the sealing of the 144,000 is complete. When God's number is complete, the clock begins for the 1260. We are currently in the time period of the sixth trumpet in Revelation.

RockyMtnLady
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2783420


correct...the signs are in the heavens...the star of david...meaning those in the seedline of David are about to be sealed; and have not yet been sealed, for they know NOT who they are....for they come out of the "bowels" of David...

we have many more years yet til 2018....then we'll take a look at how many of David's seedline still haven't been sealed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43848440


correction...we are not at the 6th trumpet... All the seals have to be broken before the trumpets sound...See Rev 8

we are still at the 3rd seal..See here: Rev 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
(from financial warfare going on right now...the correction is balance, which means a collapse of the satanic Rothschild insolvent money system....)

get ready for no money and strive ...the rich will become poor and the poor will become rich....BALANCE


6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

***************
then when all seals are broken, and before the trumpets sound...the 144,000 have to be sealed before anything else can occur...see Rev 7:1

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE PEOPLE...READ REVELATIONS AND MEMORIZE THE SEALS, TRUMPS, AND VIALS AND WHAT THEY MEAN SO YOU CAN RECOGNIZE BY CURRENT EVENTS WHERE WE ARE IN GOD'S PLAN....AND REMEMBER ALL 7 VIALS ARE POURED OUT AT ONCE AFTER ALL THE TRUMPS ARE SOUNDED.
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Gosh, you have made a mess of things. I will respond with the timeline of the Seals, Trumpets, etc. (backed by Scripture) when I return later.

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That's just foolish to think that "David's seedline" are the only one's who are sealed. And, where do you get 2018? What does that have to do with anything?

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Mark 13:31)

RockyMtnLady
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Denying the rapture and using scripture that supports it? You are a piece of work. You probably have no idea why the two witnesses are referred to as olive trees. You would make a good Jehovah's Witness. You try to plug more holes than swiss cheese.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


There is just one olive tree in the spiritual sense, namely Jesus Christ, so when it is said that the two witnesses are olive trees it means that Jesus Christ is the olive oil in them and that He will be so both in the time period of the Gentiles (sixth trumpet) and in the time period of the Jews (seventh trumpet). These two periods are the two main periods of the true church of God, first in the Gentile world and next in Israel, when the woman has flown into the wilderness unto her place (Rev 12:14). When the true church comes to Israel she is still a spiritual wilderness, though such as will be turned into a green garden of truth. At that time Rom 11:25 is being fulfilled. Therefore, understand that the two witnesses' true teaching will be the two olive trees, since it will have its time first in the Gentile world and afterwards in Israel. In spite of Jesus Christ being the only tree of life Scripture shows us in Rev 22:2 that there are many trees of life, on both sides of the rives, so he is also the only olive tree in all those many olive trees who partake of His oil.

I am no Jehovah's Witness, nor am I in Babylon. You can say all you want about me but I know it is the Spirit of Anti-Christ in you and not you, so I forgive you.

You still haven't answered me about John 6"39?

RockyMtnLady
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NOPE, the two olive trees represent the 2 witnesses that are standing at the east gate of the temple....awaiting the arrival of Christ....in other words, it means the 2 witnesses arrive FIRST before satan, who comes at the 6th trumpet, and then the real Christ comes at the 7th...

the 2 witnesses will be murdered by satan and they will not be buried, they will lay in the street for all to see they can't rise...3 and 1/2 days after satan murderes them....the rise and at that INSTANT Christ comes in the clouds with his saints and instantly satan is turned to ashes along with his 1/3 angels....and at that very same moment, we shed our flesh bodies and breath air into our spiritual bodies, breath of life...and the Lord's Day begins.....Christ comes to us, here on earth, we don't go anywhere.....we live on in our real body, our spiritual body for the 1000 years...and those who are full of sin and follow satan will be on the wrong side of the gulf....on the right side is love, beauty, grace, full of pleasure and anything you want.....those that are on the wrong side, will be in darkness, sorrow, pain and suffering for they remember all the deeds they did that got them there and they hate themselves for being so stupid...in spiritual bodies, we have 100% recall of the 1st, 2nd earth ages...nobody has died....all 12B souls are alive either in this 3rd dimension or the 4th heaven dimension.
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WOW. Amazing that people can be led so far off. I will respond when I return. You have quite an imagination....I will give you that.

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