A thread for former Christians.

Just because it hasn't failed yet doesn't mean it is a failed prophecy. Pfft.

The bible has foretold thousands of prophecy's, some centuries apart and not one has failed and all will materialize including your ignorant statement regarding Matt 16:27-28.

[link to www.reasons.org]

What's wrong? Are they convicting your rebellious heart?

Fixed.

Fixed.

The elimination of Christianity is part and parcel of the NWO.

As is the belief in what so called aliens are saying.

Good for you!

[link to www.tentmaker.org]

I became a christian after my parents passed away when I was younger. Had some spiritual experiences and awakenings from that trauma and due to a mostly atheist upbringing got into christianity. As I got older I came to find how the church viewed God, and what I believed about life and such, and that the church said and did were all pretty much three different things.

I tried to further my understanding of God, went to a baptist college, got involved in my church and even got baptised. Still questioned the bible, and the basic foundations of the church.

I spent about a full month researching faiths, nothing felt like a good fit on both the spiritual and logic scale. The bible, and the idea of christ always left me a bit confused, such inconsistencies as being monotheistic but the whole God, Jesus, Holy Spirit thing...a bit confusing. Plus my ultimate issue with christianity...christians. The ultimate do as I say not as I do people who live by greed and wallow in "sin" but as long as they attend church and brunch Sunday are "good people".

My solution isn't always easier to understand on the surface, but its philosophy has freed me from being a wimpy drone and enabled me to seize control of my own life. I'm not punished for being a human being, like the concept of original sin.

Heathen Asatru / Odinism is really more of a life philosophy. My life feels renewed in walking each day to strive to live by the Nine Noble Virtues and feel better connected to both my faith, family and nature than I ever have before. I kneel to no man, and no God. I do not pray for a God to do for me, I would rather gain a Gods favor through my hard work, blood, sweat and tears. I no longer worry over an afterlife, I will live a good life and go to where I am called when my time is up.

Odinism has its good, and in some spectrums its bad. Much like christianity and all religions do, but for me and my fiance it has been a mind and soul freeing experience.


The interesting thing to me, is pretty much everything out of the bible feels ripped from Norse/Germanic paganism. The holidays are ripped, the weekdays (not attached to the church but their names come from the Norse) even the basic concept of the end times in Revelations feels like a rip off of Ragnarok.


Anyway, feels good to share my story and experience. Religion should be an enjoyable and freeing experience, not something that holds you in chains like a slave.

to all of you. I likely won't be checking back in to see all the scorn I get from christians...OP if you would ever like to talk spirituality, please feel free to contact me. I always enjoy talking philosophy, faith and the world around me with someone with an open mind.


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Welcome to the NWO.

Wow, I knew some Christians would reply on this thread but I didn't expect that.

Thank you to the former Christians for their replies. I will read them more carefully when I get back from work. Yes, Christians, I do work on Sundays and I am sure
the Creator doesn't mind.

Zip50, I share your sentiments, I grew up in the Protestant Evangelical Christian church and believed for a large part of my life what I was taught. It was essentially blind ignorance and provided me little to no actual understanding of what truly living life is about. It taught me to live separate from those that thought differently from me and created a complex in my mind that my beliefs and my life was superior to those who believed differently from me. I believed that any acquaintance or friend of mine who did not believe as I did were to suffer eternal damnation once they died, which now, in retrospect is incredibly fucked up. Christianity led me into a deep depression and apathy of the world and its problems.

Luckily for me I went through a transformation after losing a best friend to a car accident and then losing a parent to cancer in short order. Facing death and truly contemplating upon it will show you the truth and I am grateful now that it was shown to me. Once the veil is lifted and the spiritual path is begun, Christianity or any organized religion or limited way of thinking is shown for what it truly is, a folly, a blind ignorance and the passing on of responsibility for ones own actions from the self. It is the stagnation of consciousness, it is the easy route for those who would rather not contemplate on the hypocritical and judgmental elements of religion. It is for those who want to be told what to do and how to think.

My life now is nothing short of a heavenly existence, I still have problems as anyone else but as I continue to learn and grow, even my problematic times are periods of great joy and thankfulness. I shed my Christian identity and looking back, it was one of the most beautiful and freeing things I could have ever done.

Alright, so you're saying that some of the people who were standing there have not died yet?

Salt, I see you're on and was wondering if you mind chiming in about Matt 16:27-28? These verses are one of the many reasons I quit believing.

before I answer that, I think its important to clarify one point. I agree that it is important to exit the mainstream fundamentalist movement. it is not true Christianity. but, i think it is wrong to say "no longer a Christian" because of the false fundie cult.

the word "Christian" means to be Christ-like.
the true Christian opens their heart and is willing to allow God to spiritually transform a person into the likeness of Christ more and more with each passing day. we can't do this in our own strength.

so, i will meditate on the scripture you want me to review and post in a few minutes.

what is it in the two verses that made you stop believing?

[link to www.letusreason.org]

Oh you of little faith.

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Sorry, I left for a minute. I think it's a failed prophecy. He said some standing here who will not taste of death until you see the son of man coming in the clouds. They are dead and he didn't return and I don't believe he was talking about the transfiguration.

I am sorry to be so late in responding to this post. I spent many hours in my vehicle today for work and I thought about you a lot of that time.

Here is what I get from your post. Guilt and fear. That reminds me so much of myself. Guilt over any little thing I thought I did wrong and fear of the consequences. I could not live my life that way.

I don't know if you saw where I said that I still believe in a creator. Contrary to what some believe, that does not make me a Christian. I put my bible away. I don't need it. I don't care to read it anymore.

Of all the Christians that have posted on this thread, I think you have the purest heart. I think if you want to continue going to church that maybe you should look for one that fits you better. It seems the one you were going to did not fit you or you would not have made excuses not to go back.

Another thing I would say to you is do things out of love, not fear. I think you will find that is an easier way to live your life.

I believe in common sense, fairness, truth and compassion. I don't need a bible or a preacher to teach me those things. I know they are right...always have known.

I hope you see this post because I wanted you to know that I did read your post and that I do care. I hope you find your way.

Oops...forgot to log in ^^^^^^

Thank you for sharing. I am not familiar Odinism but will check it out. I am glad you found a place where you "fit". .

When does two wrongs make a right? So why would I go to the Christian threads and tell certain people to lay off? I rarely visit them in the first place but why even lay that task on me?

Alas, this is typical Christian reaction. Always trying to twist and reverse things in their zeal. Lol...is that Christ-like?

That being said, thank you for deciding to not give opinion when it isn't solicited.

No I do not study the bible anymore.
And any book that ever help me was put in my path. Reading what others thought was a good idea never worked out for me. I think the books you are supposed to read will show up. You just have to be patient.

I know you are frustrated with this thread but I hope you come back to it. I loved all your input and want to hear more. I think you have so much to offer. Please don't let them run you off.

I am sorry for your losses. I think sometimes that loss is a catalyst for growth. I lost my dad when I was fifteen and it forced me to think about the afterlife and life in general.
And I feel more freedom also. I also feel more loved.
Thanks for sharing.

I haven't gone anywhere Zip...I just don't feel like being quoted verses that I could parse in Greek or Hebrew in my sleep and have over zealous Christians tell me what they mean. One of the classes I taught was biblical exegesis and hermeneutics with an emphasis on correct translation from the original languages...and I was a STICKLER for accuracy. So now it just really gets under my skin when I am preached at by Christians who were probably still on the cradle roll when I was in seminary.

Sorry.

Not very tolerant of me is it?

Anyway, I will check back daily and be happy to contribute whatever I can to the mix.

Btw, did you know that the KING JAMES BIBLE is the most corrupt version of the bible...followed closely by the Scofield?
In the year 1615 Archbishop Gorge Abbott, a High Commission Court member and one of the original translators of the 1611 translation, "forbade anyone to issue a Bible without the Apocrypha on pain of one year's imprisonment"
And those books were in the 1611 King James Bible

Yet, these 14 books of · The "Apocrypha" were officially removed from the English printings of the KJV by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 1885 leaving only 66 books. ONE MAN decided that the bible, as it had been issued since 1611, needed a drastic haircut.



So much for the "inerrant infallible word of god" huh? So either the Christian god screwed up and allowed 14 books in the bible that shouldn't have been there for around 250 years...or he screwed up and allowed them to be taken out when they should have been in. Either way, it showed me that the bible is not a book special to the real GOD in any way.

That's just one fact that put me on my road away from Christianity.

I don't blame you one bit for wanting to leave. I feel your frustration. I have typed many things I wanted to say, but deleted them, because I know it does no good.

Yes, I knew some of the books were taken out. If I am not mistaken, the book of Thomas was one of them. I bought that book, but have not read it yet.

Please tell me more. Our paths are so different but led to the same place which I find utterly amazing. If you feel like it, please share more of what you discovered. I know you went through a very hard time.

What do you think the future holds? And what led you to GLP?

What led me to GLP? Honestly, I have always been sort of a conspiracy buff....always felt that there was a shadowy underbelly of people, TPTB, who ran it all and didn't have our best interests at heart. Something in my gut told me that Oswald didnt t shoot Kennedy. So I did a little googling and found this place..and I like it because it is easy to navigate.

What does the future hold? Hmmm? My best guess would be whatever the collective consciousness believes the strongest. Possibly an alien encounter. Perhaps a meteor strike, but not an ELE. because of the normalcy bias, that will never happen...the CC doesn't believe in it strong enough. Major changes for sure. If we still have elections after Obama, we will never elect another black man and conservatives will sweep everything clean. There will be a reboot. The pendulum must swing back.

Yes, we come from different paths, but truth is what it is. If you search for it and find it, there's no telling who you will meet at the doorway. GOD is no respecter of persons, and will reveal truth to the seeker no matter a ditch digger or prince.

One more bit of info about the bible. Did you know that the four gospels were written anonymously? No one knows who wrote those books. The names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were attached to them by one bishop irenaeus. But they could have been written by Shlomo the goat herder. No one knows. So why should we believe what they say? Well, because we've been INDOCTRINATED to believe what they say.

Read this, it will explain it better than I can.

[link to www.thenazareneway.com]

Just another small yellow brick in the road away from the man behind the curtain. But there is soooo much more.

Adieu. Until tomorrow.