Sandy Hook: From what document did law enforcement "transpose" Ryan & Adam's names?

This brings a couple things to mind.

You are correct. If Adam Lanza had Ryan's ID on him how would police know to go to the address of Nancy?

Why would they arrest Ryan? Let's say his ID was found but it was on the perp. I can see questioning Ryan but not an arrest. On what grounds did they arrest him? Circumstantial evidence?

Your final question about the names being transposed is the dagger. And I have no need to comment because that stands on it's own.

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Why did they go to Ryan's place of work first?

How did they know to go there?

According to Wilshe, Lanza's reply was something along the lines of: 'It was my brother. I think my mother is dead. Oh my God.'

He thought his mother was dead? Interesting.

Does anyone remember the time line on which event came first, Nancy Lanza being found dead at home or Adam running amuck at the school?

The only way I can see them connecting Adam to his address is with Nancy being found first.

I distinctly remember that Vance said they found evidence at the school that led them to the secondary crime scene.

The script.

Well, the car license plates were registered to Nancy at that address. So I understand them going to 36 Yogananda.

But how did they get Adam's name, in the end?

It may well be that 1 plus 1 plus 1 got them 3. I just want to know if "transposed" was a slip-up, indicating both brothers' names were written on a paper somewhere, and then transposed. I would find that suspicious. Because what document would that be, given that Ryan hadn't lived there for years?

I suppose it's conceivable that Adam had a current ID of Ryan's, they arrested Ryan, and he gave up Adam.

But given that nearly every photograph of Adam after age 5 has been very obviously Photoshopped, I'm not inclined to believe this Adam existed. Or if he did exist, he disappeared long ago, and ppl Photoshopped his earlier photos to make them seem "scary" enough to match his "killer Adam" photograph. Just nuts.

Just think--somewhere out there, right now, are the people or person who Photoshopped those pictures. They must be s***ting bricks right now...if they're not, their hubris will be their downfall.

The Zephyrbot still trying to keep the dream alive that this shooting actually happened in reality.

It was a media motion picture - nothing more!

There is no such thing as "this shooting." There are a myriad possibilities in between "no one was hurt" and "28 people died."

I really don't care what happened--I mean that in the sense that I don't have a preconception. In order to not miss even a fragment of truth, I refuse to close myself off to any possibility.

Honestly, the Chinese government could have set up an op to kidnap beautiful white kids, sell them on the sicko market, swoop in on some land deals and money laundering, and take away a bunch of American guns in the process. If you presented evidence tomorrow that that's what happened, I would find it possible to believe, as a concept.

As I have said multiple times, I keep my mind open to the possibility that 20 kids died--only because I allow for some bizarre scenario where police screwed up so badly that they literally kept every witness locked up for hours, refused to let them leave the school, and cleaned up the blood before any could get outside. I really don't think that's likely, but I'm not going to rule it out.

Logic tells me, though, that there should be blood outside, on police, on kids, on parents, in the firehouse. So, open minded or not, I do lean toward and away from certain theories. And the idea that 20 kids, 6 teachers, and one shooter could bleed all over the place without any getting on the 700 kids running through it, is a theory I lean away from.

And sorry - I meant no disrespect to Ana Marquez-Greene. I should have just said "beautiful American kids."

I tend to think Zeph is showing the empty parts of the story and in reality is driving Sedensky nuts. He has to summarize this clusterfark in the fall ( haha right ).

Can you imagine Sedensky putting together the perfect scenario ( in his mind ) explaining the Ryan and Adam mess and then Zeph drops a big " hey what is with this transpose the names thing" on GLP and Sendensky crumples up that piece of paper ( or maybe it's a 7 x 5 ft spreadsheet...yeah I went there ) and yells DAMMIT ! Gotta start over.

Here is Vance's timeline

[link to abclocal.go.com]

At the 6:30 mark reporter asks about the secondary crime scene. Vance says it was discovered AFTER a " tentative identification of the suspect pursuant to the investigation"

Paraphrasing Vance...They did a lot of work interviewing and contacting relatives, classmates and friend and that led them to the secondary crime scene where they found Nancy Lanza.


When did they arrest Ryan? When did Ryan post he thought his mom was dead? How would he know if he had not spoken to her in a few years?

When did the reporter interview Peter Lanza outside his home? How did they link Adam with Peter so soon?

Hmmm...they ran the plate within minutes of the 9:36 a.m. call. So they had Nancy's address within minutes--or should have. I think it was pretty obvious that 872-YEO was the suspect vehicle, given Penna's statement that he looked inside it, spotted a weapon, and threw it in the trunk. That supposedly happened right away, within minutes of arriving on scene. So that means 872-YEO was going to be considered suspect immediately.

So why would Vance make the discovery of the second scene dependent on "tentatively" identifying a shooter, rather than what it was almost certainly dependent upon--the vehicle plates?

Perhaps an overreach in the determined effort to connect the shooter to 36 Yogananda?

Otherwise, what Vance is inadvertently admitting to, is that the vehicle plates did not bring up Nancy Lanza's address.

You raise a good point; that according to Vance, they learned of the Yogananda address from the 'tentative' identification of the suspect, not from running the plates on the car.

I'll bet there are still twitter posts quoting Vance early on referring to the suspect having Ryan Lanza's i.d. on his person. I wonder how that will be dealt with in the final report.

(p.s. - are you listening guys? There's another bugaboo you'll have to address!)

I checked some twitter traffic but it has been deleted.

This reporter

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Tweeted Ryan Lanza's tirade about the "FU CNN it wasn't me"
and referenced Ryan's facebook page. But that tweet has since been deleted. You can get his tweets from every other time in December but not that one.

Here is the story on his tweet
[link to thecontributor.com]

But you cannot access either that tweet or Ryan's facebook post so we don't know what time those occurred.

I'm more interested in any official announcement referring to Ryan's i.d. on Adam. It seems to me some news outlet tweeted the Ryan i.d. thing at some point early on, citing Vance.

I have a bunch of screen captures, etc. on a computer that's been damaged by malware. Eventually I will post what I have, here or elsewhere.

It would be one thing if he said that they ran the plates and that address came up but we double checked with other people.

He did not say that. He said they peeled back the onion and it sounds like it took some time according to his explanation.

Now I think he is BS'ing to make it sound like they had mass chaos on their hands but the police did a quick investigation and found all these things out rather quickly.

It does seem a bit contrived that they would know pretty much EVERYTHING by 3 in the afternoon.