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MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed

 
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You are being condescending.

State your theory/understanding and stop pretending like you are teaching others by criticizing theirs.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


So you are in agreement with AA

All theories are true until proven false.

Science doesn't work that way but woo does.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


That's almost the opposite of what I said. No theory can be considered true until it is proved to be and then it is no longer a theory but a fact or law of science.

Quantum theory defies several LAWS and rules of physics!

1) conservation of matter and energy

2) definition of kinetic energy

3) definition of inertia and momentum

4) definition of matter

5) Occams razor ( simplest explanation most likely and must be considered correct until disproved)

6) empirical confirmation (until a theory is proved empirically no further advancement in complexity past that point can logically be made.
and until it is competing theories are every bit as valid as theories until they are falsified. It's not that hard to understand.

With REAL science no individual will ever be forced to accept a theory as fact on an examination!


You see;

Science doesn't work that way!!!

My argument is that when answering questions concerning theories, there are no wrong answers. Your answer is just as valid as conflicting or different ones
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this should be obvious.
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What should be obvious?
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You are being condescending.

State your theory/understanding and stop pretending like you are teaching others by criticizing theirs.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


So you are in agreement with AA

All theories are true until proven false.

Science doesn't work that way but woo does.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


That's almost the opposite of what I said. No theory can be considered true until it is proved to be and then it is no longer a theory but a fact or law of science.

Quantum theory defies several LAWS and rules of physics!

1) conservation of matter and energy

2) definition of kinetic energy

3) definition of inertia and momentum

4) definition of matter

5) Occams razor ( simplest explanation most likely and must be considered correct until disproved)

6) empirical confirmation (until a theory is proved empirically no further advancement in complexity past that point can logically be made.
and until it is competing theories are every bit as valid as theories until they are falsified. It's not that hard to understand.

With REAL science no individual will ever be forced to accept a theory as fact on an examination!


You see;

Science doesn't work that way!!!

My argument is that when answering questions concerning theories, there are no wrong answers. Your answer is just as valid as conflicting or different ones
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 47658180


this should be obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45593057

It should be but that is my entire point of posting on this thread>Students are being FAILED because they are conforming to logic and the rules of the scientific method in courses claiming to be science!

This is not science, it's brainwashing
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So you are in agreement with AA

All theories are true until proven false.

Science doesn't work that way but woo does.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


That's almost the opposite of what I said. No theory can be considered true until it is proved to be and then it is no longer a theory but a fact or law of science.

Quantum theory defies several LAWS and rules of physics!

1) conservation of matter and energy

2) definition of kinetic energy

3) definition of inertia and momentum

4) definition of matter

5) Occams razor ( simplest explanation most likely and must be considered correct until disproved)

6) empirical confirmation (until a theory is proved empirically no further advancement in complexity past that point can logically be made.
and until it is competing theories are every bit as valid as theories until they are falsified. It's not that hard to understand.

With REAL science no individual will ever be forced to accept a theory as fact on an examination!


You see;

Science doesn't work that way!!!

My argument is that when answering questions concerning theories, there are no wrong answers. Your answer is just as valid as conflicting or different ones
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 47658180


this should be obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45593057

It should be but that is my entire point of posting on this thread>Students are being FAILED because they are conforming to logic and the rules of the scientific method in courses claiming to be science!

This is not science, it's brainwashing
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I wasn't addressing you

Have another cup

:cupofjoe;
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That's almost the opposite of what I said. No theory can be considered true until it is proved to be and then it is no longer a theory but a fact or law of science.

Quantum theory defies several LAWS and rules of physics!

1) conservation of matter and energy

2) definition of kinetic energy

3) definition of inertia and momentum

4) definition of matter

5) Occams razor ( simplest explanation most likely and must be considered correct until disproved)

6) empirical confirmation (until a theory is proved empirically no further advancement in complexity past that point can logically be made.
and until it is competing theories are every bit as valid as theories until they are falsified. It's not that hard to understand.

With REAL science no individual will ever be forced to accept a theory as fact on an examination!


You see;

Science doesn't work that way!!!

My argument is that when answering questions concerning theories, there are no wrong answers. Your answer is just as valid as conflicting or different ones
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 47658180


this should be obvious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45593057

It should be but that is my entire point of posting on this thread>Students are being FAILED because they are conforming to logic and the rules of the scientific method in courses claiming to be science!

This is not science, it's brainwashing
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 47658180


I wasn't addressing you

Have another cup

cupofjoe
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Fixed
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No.....using such terms is how we got to this clusterfuck in the first place.

Science is not like that at all and the politics and PC have NO place in science of any sort PERIOD

thems the breaks
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This isn't a science conference - it's freaking GLP for christ's sake....

Notice how the discussion turned to absolute shit when a handful of posters started making it personal and taking jabs at others merely for sharing their opinion??? Yeah, you're one of them.

Immaturity and haughty condescension have 'NO place' in a constructive/intelligent discussion of any sort 'PERIOD'.
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No.....using such terms is how we got to this clusterfuck in the first place.

Science is not like that at all and the politics and PC have NO place in science of any sort PERIOD

thems the breaks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


This isn't a science conference - it's freaking GLP for christ's sake....

Notice how the discussion turned to absolute shit when a handful of posters started making it personal and taking jabs at others merely for sharing their opinion??? Yeah, you're one of them.

Immaturity and haughty condescension have 'NO place' in constructive/intelligent discussion of any sort 'PERIOD'.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I am one of what?

I am the only person here pointing out that there is confusion as to what quantum mechanics states and doesn't and am attempting to help clear up some of the confusion.

Science isn't "nice" or "spiritual" or anything like that

Sorry if that offends you but it is reality
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
I wasn't addressing you

Have another cup

:cupofjoe;
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I wasn't addressing you.

And you can't fix stupid. If you don't have a response posting a 'cute' cartoon only proves you're a moron who is defeated by the weight of his own stupidity.

I would imagine yours as dragged you down pretty far.

I see you intellectually as a struggling retard treading the water of intellectual debate in a confused and panic stricken state, driven on by the need to collect your meager pay... all I have to do is throw you an anchor and you'll grab on and sink to the bottom every time.

It is amusing, but it gets boring after awhile '89
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
Quantum theory says that atoms know when they are being watched by a conscious being, and they change their behavior when you watch them, then revert back to normal behavaior when your eyes are closed ITS COMPLICATED. WATCH WATCH WATCH the whole thing if you want to know the secrets of the universe:


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Awesome vid. This is a better explanation that the Dr Quantum one, imo.

The difference in the problems posed appears to be consciousness. So, the next logical question is, what exactly IS consciousness and HOW is it affecting what is being observed?

Is it Quantum Entanglement itself (the thing that makes the particles spin in opposite directions) affecting the particles of what is being observed? If so, perhaps we somehow contain the particles of everything within our consciousness, and therefore are entangled with everything? Or we are "universal" entanglers (a sort of "master key") and we affect every particle out there? My head hurts lol...
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One question springs to mind with this theory.
Who or what conscious being was observing these atoms before life evolved,how could the planets and stars form in the first place without a conscious mind observing them.
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No.....using such terms is how we got to this clusterfuck in the first place.

Science is not like that at all and the politics and PC have NO place in science of any sort PERIOD

thems the breaks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


This isn't a science conference - it's freaking GLP for christ's sake....

Notice how the discussion turned to absolute shit when a handful of posters started making it personal and taking jabs at others merely for sharing their opinion??? Yeah, you're one of them.

Immaturity and haughty condescension have 'NO place' in a constructive/intelligent discussion of any sort 'PERIOD'.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


If you don't want to take the time to learn the actual things that you are talking about that's fine but please for the sake of the advancement of humanity don't call it "science"
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
Quantum theory says that atoms know when they are being watched by a conscious being, and they change their behavior when you watch them, then revert back to normal behavaior when your eyes are closed ITS COMPLICATED. WATCH WATCH WATCH the whole thing if you want to know the secrets of the universe:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47138321


Awesome vid. This is a better explanation that the Dr Quantum one, imo.

The difference in the problems posed appears to be consciousness. So, the next logical question is, what exactly IS consciousness and HOW is it affecting what is being observed?

Is it Quantum Entanglement itself (the thing that makes the particles spin in opposite directions) affecting the particles of what is being observed? If so, perhaps we somehow contain the particles of everything within our consciousness, and therefore are entangled with everything? Or we are "universal" entanglers (a sort of "master key") and we affect every particle out there? My head hurts lol...
 Quoting: TheDude99

One question springs to mind with this theory.
Who or what conscious being was observing these atoms before life evolved,how could the planets and stars form in the first place without a conscious mind observing them.
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Just more side streets and spin off of total misunderstanding

The woos grab this as their proof of god or creator or whatever label they choose at this juncture
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No.....using such terms is how we got to this clusterfuck in the first place.

Science is not like that at all and the politics and PC have NO place in science of any sort PERIOD

thems the breaks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


This isn't a science conference - it's freaking GLP for christ's sake....

Notice how the discussion turned to absolute shit when a handful of posters started making it personal and taking jabs at others merely for sharing their opinion??? Yeah, you're one of them.

Immaturity and haughty condescension have 'NO place' in a constructive/intelligent discussion of any sort 'PERIOD'.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Myself and the individual you are quoting have been engaged in 'battle' on a limited hangout thread for quite some time. I admit, you shouldn't allow it to become personal and engage in shit slinging contests but trust me when I tell you, that dumb monkey has been throwing shit out of his cage for quite some time now.

he has absolutely no knowledge of or aptitude for science and has no business discussing it
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
I am one of what?

I am the only person here pointing out that there is confusion as to what quantum mechanics states and doesn't and am attempting to help clear up some of the confusion.

Science isn't "nice" or "spiritual" or anything like that

Sorry if that offends you but it is reality
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It's okay, most people aren't consciously aware as to the actual nature of their own behavior.
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I am one of what?

I am the only person here pointing out that there is confusion as to what quantum mechanics states and doesn't and am attempting to help clear up some of the confusion.

Science isn't "nice" or "spiritual" or anything like that

Sorry if that offends you but it is reality
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You wouldn't recognize reality if it landed on your face and took a dump on your nose
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No.....using such terms is how we got to this clusterfuck in the first place.

Science is not like that at all and the politics and PC have NO place in science of any sort PERIOD

thems the breaks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


This isn't a science conference - it's freaking GLP for christ's sake....

Notice how the discussion turned to absolute shit when a handful of posters started making it personal and taking jabs at others merely for sharing their opinion??? Yeah, you're one of them.

Immaturity and haughty condescension have 'NO place' in a constructive/intelligent discussion of any sort 'PERIOD'.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


A non bot/shill/retard on GLP? *adjusts glasses*
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Anonymous Coward 39792702 --->--> tard
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re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
1.
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
So maybe I am in the wrong thread

This isn't a science thread at all.

It is truly funny that AA and I are in agreement about the concept but he used Kaku as a bastion of "mainstream science"

Kaku is the furthest thing from a true scientist but AA confuses him as in some way speaking for science.
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No.....using such terms is how we got to this clusterfuck in the first place.

Science is not like that at all and the politics and PC have NO place in science of any sort PERIOD

thems the breaks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


This isn't a science conference - it's freaking GLP for christ's sake....

Notice how the discussion turned to absolute shit when a handful of posters started making it personal and taking jabs at others merely for sharing their opinion??? Yeah, you're one of them.

Immaturity and haughty condescension have 'NO place' in a constructive/intelligent discussion of any sort 'PERIOD'.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


A non bot/shill/retard on GLP? *adjusts glasses*
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19131552


The battle cry of the new age woo.....

SHILL!!!

It is not at all mature to perpetuate woo woo scams to me but it appears that is to be lauded by so many.
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re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
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a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
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I am one of what?

I am the only person here pointing out that there is confusion as to what quantum mechanics states and doesn't and am attempting to help clear up some of the confusion.

Science isn't "nice" or "spiritual" or anything like that

Sorry if that offends you but it is reality
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


It's okay, most people aren't consciously aware as to the actual nature of their own behavior.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I am quite aware of my behavior

Are you aware of how your behavior is helping people to devolve into a new dark age?
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re·li·gion (r-ljn)
n.
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a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Astrophysicist 47658180


Quantum theory and modern mainstream science in general could be accurately described and defined as religion by all of the above definitions. The supernatural aspect of it should be obvious

The gods or spiritual leaders may or may not be, Albert Einstein and Steven hawking are two of them.

Let me bounce a few science 'facts' off of you and ask yourself, does it sound like a faith based religion or a logical intellectual discipline:

In the beginning there was nothing. This nothing inexplicably decided to explode and became everything. That everything then randomly arranged itself into te universe.

Life evolved from a stone. human beings evolved from a stone.
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*lights AAs strawmen on fire*
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I thought Einstein already covered this.
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I thought Einstein already covered this.
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I am one of what?

I am the only person here pointing out that there is confusion as to what quantum mechanics states and doesn't and am attempting to help clear up some of the confusion.

Science isn't "nice" or "spiritual" or anything like that

Sorry if that offends you but it is reality
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


It's okay, most people aren't consciously aware as to the actual nature of their own behavior.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I am quite aware of my behavior

Are you aware of how your behavior is helping people to devolve into a new dark age?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39792702


The dark age we are now living in was purposely foist upon us by jews to keep the human race in bondage to them, and unless the trance can be broken most of us will die by their hand
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*lights AAs strawmen on fire*
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I don't build 'em numbnuts, they're not mine!

cruise
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LOL.........

man always needs an answer, so even if he does not have the intellect to find the correct answer, he will propose an incorrect one the please the masses.
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No. The double slit experiment doesn't "know" when it's being watched.

It is the act of detection which interferes with the light and alters whether the light behaves like a wave or a particle.

What you're suggesting is that if you open and close your eyes then the light knows when it is being watched and will change from acting like a wave to a particle. This isn't the case. It is simply down to interference from the detectors.

As usual though, I'm expecting this to be completely ignored because people on GLP don't want truth, they want magic.
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LOL.........

man always needs an answer, so even if he does not have the intellect to find the correct answer, he will propose an incorrect one the please the masses.
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The mysteries of our reality will never be explained by anyone, much less by pea brained pencil necks
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Re: MIND BLOWING quantum physics states particles "know" when they are being watched by a conscious being and change their behaviors when viewed
No. The double slit experiment doesn't "know" when it's being watched.

It is the act of detection which interferes with the light and alters whether the light is a wave or particle.

What you're suggesting is that if you open and close your eyes then the light knows when it is being watched and will change from acting like a wave to a particle. This isn't the case. It is simply down to interference from the detectors.

As usual though, I'm expecting this to be completely ignored because people on GLP don't want truth, they want magic.
 Quoting: ACiD


You see the point

The first post is nothing but wishful magic thinking woo

I can't watch the video so I can't comment on it

But Quantum mechanics says nothing of the kind





GLP