*The Plot Thickens... Startling Exclusive New Pentagon Anomaly Images! | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 95840 Singapore 05/20/2006 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Form the link above: "The fact that they have again chosen to release grainy and foggy images which only lead to more speculation tell us two things: 1) The government truly is frightened to death of releasing any images which accurately depict what happened at the Pentagon because it doesn't jive with the official version of 9/11. 2) Or the government knows that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon and has clear footage of the incident, but is deliberately releasing these speculative images in order to stoke the debate so it can later release the high quality video and use it to debunk the entire 9/11 truth movement. The media obsession with this one facet of an entire smorgasbord of 9/11 questions, and their refusal to address more hardcore 9/11 evidence, leads us to fear the latter explanation is the case." ========== No, it's definately the former: There are no videos of a 757 crashing into the Pentagon unless they are fakes. Even the reporter from CNN who was at the scene moments later says he never saw anything to suggest a plane crashed into the building: [link to video.google.com] The evidence that it was an inside job is overwhelming. |
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Halcyon Dayz User ID: 84549 Netherlands 05/20/2006 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even the reporter from CNN who was at the scene moments later says he never saw anything to suggest a plane crashed into the building: ______________________________ That's a lie. From CNN.com [link to www.cnn.com] "MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN in which I -- myself -- appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building: 'From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.' In fact, I was answering a question based on a eyewitness account who thought the American Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicated there was no crash site near the pentagon only at the Pentagon" Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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rosswave User ID: 74532 United States 05/20/2006 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New Pentagon Video Heavily Processed, A letter to Prof Jones DIGITIZED, BACK TO ANALOG, AND DIGITIZED AGAIN? Dear Prof. Jones, I am a researcher in Royal Holloway, University of London, just finishing a PhD in the Machine Vision of CCTV cameras. I’m not an expert in CCTV, but I do have a lot of experience. I took a look at the recently released Pentagon video and noticed a few unusual aspects of how it was produced. Firstly, I’m talking about the totally new video, rather than the older one of which 5 frames were already in the public domain. I obtained this video from Google Video download through a link from Judicial Watch.org. A spokes person interviewed on the Alex Jones radio show has said that the video was provided to him on a CD-ROM, and I am assuming that Judicial Watch did not process the video in any way before uploading. I am also assuming that Google Video does not process uploaded videos in the unusual way I am going to describe. I am not going to talk about the content of the video at all, just its structure and how it was processed. FEATURES OF THE VIDEO The video is constructed of 5 756 frames of pixel size 480 by 360. Oddly, every 32 frames are nearly identical. I say nearly, because while each group of 32 frames certainly contain no movement and were certainly derived from the same original CCTV output frame, by running the video through frame differencing you can easily detect small jpegging artifacts and noise within the 32 frame groups. Further, the video occasionally shifts up or down by a tiny amount, in a seeming random fashion. Finally, there is a faded black border around the frames. These are all clues to the probable history of this video, and how it was constructed. PROBABLE ORIGIN Most CCTV cameras in the US produce a very similar output to regular TV video format, and despite advances in digital technology, most are still analog. The camera position here seems to be in a non-critical role at the entrance to a staff car park. This, coupled with the faded black boundary indicated that this video was probably produced by a regular NTSC Interlaced signal recorded onto an Analog medium such as a VHS cassette. This analog video would then have been digitised, processed, and released to Judicial Watch on the CD-ROM. NTSC is interlaced, meaning that alternate rows of pixels are refreshed at twice the quoted frame rate. So that, with a NTSC frame rate of just under 30 fps, old and even pixels rows are alternately refreshed at just under 60Hz. To save video tape, Analog cameras only record one frame every second or so, and that seems to be the case here. (Modern digital CCTV systems commonly record at a variable framerate, depending on activity in the scene. The fact that this did not happen here is further evidence that the system is an older Analog CCTV) When digitizing the video, you have the choice of deinterleaving the frames to produce a video of 60Hz, but with half the vertical resolution. One disadvantage of this is that because alternate frames are produced by pixel positions with a slight vertical offset, the digitized video will vibrate up and down in an annoying way. However I believe that this video was produced in this way because at irregular intervals, the video can be seen to shift up and down by approximately one pixel. The irregularity indicated that the video’s producers cherry-picked certain frames from either deinterlace output, and built them into one video. DIGITIZED, BACK TO ANALOG, AND DIGITIZED AGAIN? Finally, the Judicial Watch video is constructed of 179 original frames, each reproduced 32 times. The CCTV camera would have recorded frames to analog at a rate of 1Hz, but each frame only once. Why would the Judicial Watch video have frame multiples? Why would there be intraframe noise within these 32 frame groups? Digital video formats can have any desired frame rate. There is no need to have multiple frames, when the computer can simply display a particular frame for an arbitrary length of time. Analog cannot do this however. On VHS, if you want a frame to display on screen for 1 second it must be reproduced on tape a number of times. I propose that the original 179 CCTV output frames were digitized, deinterleaved, manipulated extensively, recombined into one video and then recorded back onto a VHS (or other analog format) cassette. This version was then digitized again and released to Judicial Watch. I do not know why they would do this, but it is my best explanation of the processing anomalies of this video. The important conclusion is that this video has a long history. I suggest that the Pentagon be asked to release the original, analog and unedited version of this video, along with the 84 other videos they hold. Yours sincerely, (Name withheld, pending permission) Dept Physics, Royal Holloway, University of London, United Kingdom "What if everything you ever believed was tied up in a little box and eaten by cute little snails?" --- Mark Morford |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 95856 Netherlands 05/20/2006 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Halcyon Dayz: That's a lie. From CNN.com [link] "MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN in which I -- myself -- appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building: 'From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.' In fact, I was answering a question based on a eyewitness account who thought the American Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicated there was no crash site near the pentagon only at the Pentagon" ========== Of course there was a crash site at the pentagon! There was a 16 to 20 foot hole! But no sign of flight 77. No tail section, wings ect "upon close inspection." He said all he could see were parts of a wreckage that are "small enough to fit in your hand?" Taken with all the other evidence does suggest that there was no 757 anywhere near or around the crash site. [link to putfile.com] |
IgnoranceIsntBliss (OP) User ID: 95822 United States 05/20/2006 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love the BS BS BS votes here. What are you saying I 'doctored' these images? I dont know what those anomalies are, and I've been trying to post them anywhere I can think of to try and have them figured out and nobody can do it so far. |
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Matrix User ID: 84577 Australia 05/20/2006 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a straw man, and only has been released, so they can sit back, and watch how many this tar baby will attract. The laws were passed long before they actually figured out who was responsible, so all this is just a circus which will stick in the minds of the sheep, while the real issues to why they allowed this attack, will go under the radar. |
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