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Why you Christians are completely wrong about religion

 
Teshub
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Why you Christians are completely wrong about religion
I have read some comments saying that the coming of Jesus coincides exactly with prophecy from the Old Testament, in particular that from Isaac. Think about it for a moment. If you wanted to create a new sect (Christianity) based on an older one (Judaism), wouldn't the common sense thing to do is make sure the stories you write sound like they have legitimacy based on the older tradition? The interpretation is that there was supposed to be a messiah that had certain characteristics, so Jesus was conveniently portrayed in a way that he was the messiah that were written in the old jewish scrolls and that everyone else (those who didn't want to convert) were wrong and going to hell for it. Hence, this connection between Jesus and the Old Testament prophesy is not convincing at all. In pagan religious this sort of thing was done for thousands of years, where some ancient prophesy suddenly matches the current situation, and a certain leader is proclaimed the savior.

There is also the matter of the historicity of this "Jesus Christ". The only textual evidence comes from later writers who wrote only in Greek. Even though Judea and jews in general maintained chronicles and records of events in their nation, none of them ever mention Jesus. Instead there are only accounts of various other jewish sects who had unique beliefs or those that used religion as an excuse to revolt against Rome. These variety of sects always stayed within the Near East and never into the Western sphere. There is absolutely no trace of Christianity (scrolls, records, books, artifacts) at the time it was supposed to exist in Palestine, and it only goes there from Rome and Anatolia.

Christians also like to think that their religion is unique. The so called teachings of Jesus were just a combination of different philosophies and stories that has existed in the civilized world for thousands of years. We can trace it back to ancient Egypt, and perhaps even further before writing was invented. The concepts of the soul, good and evil, piety, miracles, divinity, self-sacrifice, and righteousness are pervasive basically everywhere in the world. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism; all these religions are both as old or much older than Christianity, they can share similar a paradigm, but are more richer in philosophical and metaphysical content.

The only thing that makes Christianity relevant is simply that is was written into Greek so us Westerners could understand it and then spread through force by the Roman Empire. It's not because of the "power of Jesus" or that Christianity was special. If enough Babylonian intellectuals moved to the influential Greek and Anatolian cities and wrote about the greatness of Marduk, the majority in the West might be worshiping that deity right now.
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Well, you are totally discounting the life changing event that true Christianity is. We believe because God has changed us. No amount of bs can change that. It is life changing.
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All religions are BS, not just christianity.
I would ban all of them.
They are the original instigators of the fear based society we live in today.

They started all the crap with fear, and terror, to trick the masses into following them in the hope they get something in some imaginary afterlife.

Governments now use the same tactics, fear and terror to get the masses to go along with whatever they say or do.
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I have read some comments saying that the coming of Jesus coincides exactly with prophecy from the Old Testament, in particular that from Isaac. Think about it for a moment. If you wanted to create a new sect (Christianity) based on an older one (Judaism), wouldn't the common sense thing to do is make sure the stories you write sound like they have legitimacy based on the older tradition? The interpretation is that there was supposed to be a messiah that had certain characteristics, so Jesus was conveniently portrayed in a way that he was the messiah that were written in the old jewish scrolls and that everyone else (those who didn't want to convert) were wrong and going to hell for it. Hence, this connection between Jesus and the Old Testament prophesy is not convincing at all. In pagan religious this sort of thing was done for thousands of years, where some ancient prophesy suddenly matches the current situation, and a certain leader is proclaimed the savior.

There is also the matter of the historicity of this "Jesus Christ". The only textual evidence comes from later writers who wrote only in Greek. Even though Judea and jews in general maintained chronicles and records of events in their nation, none of them ever mention Jesus. Instead there are only accounts of various other jewish sects who had unique beliefs or those that used religion as an excuse to revolt against Rome. These variety of sects always stayed within the Near East and never into the Western sphere. There is absolutely no trace of Christianity (scrolls, records, books, artifacts) at the time it was supposed to exist in Palestine, and it only goes there from Rome and Anatolia.

Christians also like to think that their religion is unique. The so called teachings of Jesus were just a combination of different philosophies and stories that has existed in the civilized world for thousands of years. We can trace it back to ancient Egypt, and perhaps even further before writing was invented. The concepts of the soul, good and evil, piety, miracles, divinity, self-sacrifice, and righteousness are pervasive basically everywhere in the world. Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism; all these religions are both as old or much older than Christianity, they can share similar a paradigm, but are more richer in philosophical and metaphysical content.

The only thing that makes Christianity relevant is simply that is was written into Greek so us Westerners could understand it and then spread through force by the Roman Empire. It's not because of the "power of Jesus" or that Christianity was special. If enough Babylonian intellectuals moved to the influential Greek and Anatolian cities and wrote about the greatness of Marduk, the majority in the West might be worshiping that deity right now.
 Quoting: Teshub 48493158


Unfortunately, that is not why Christians are completely wrong about religion. What you are missing is the metaphorical nature of the story of Jesus, and the fact that this same story is seen thousands of years before Jesus gives us a clue that it is not about the Man, but about the symbolism of the story.

The entire Bible is misunderstood by most who read it. There are those who take it literally, and among those, the ones who accept it and the ones who reject it. But there is a third perspective, and like it says in the Bible, it is only for those with the 'eyes to see and the ears to hear'.

If one was to keep an open mind and set aside everything they think they knew about the Bible, then get a concordance and several different translations of the Bible, they would be well on their way to discovering the true secrets that are within its pages. Sadly, most people simply take other peoples interpretations of the Bible as truth, without ever thinking to dig deeper.

It is said that the true path is a narrow one, and all you have to do is look at the massive amounts of people who all believe the same thing - i.e the Christians as well as the Athiests - and you can see that the true path eludes them both.

If you ever have a chance, I would recommend reading 'The Pilgrim's Progress'
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There is an abridged version that is an easier read titled 'Dangerous Journey', which may be more to your liking (it was to mine).

After that (or before), you should definitely check out the writings of Joseph Campbell.
[link to www.jcf.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

And of course, if you want to keep your beliefs just like they are, then you should not even listen to me in the first place! Because I believe that anyone who does not believe what I believe has a God given right to their own beliefs and opinions, and that no other beliefs should be forced upon them. And there is a sprinkling of truth in everything, even in untruth, such is the masterful way in which this Universe is designed, so that if you look in the right way, you can always see the light.

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That which eludes us is not what is unknown, but rather what has been forgotten.
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people argue about religion, that is okay.

but about GOD, Christians are completely right.

and I do think God is more important than religion.
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Re: Why you Christians are completely wrong about religion
let's see, why are christians wrong about religion?

god - no proof

hell - no proof

devil, judgment, sin, soul - also no proof

salvation - no proof that it works or that you need it

so what are christians wrong about?

everything

god is meme found in a book, the meme is parasitic and travels from one mind to another, those infected by the god virus become delusional and only want to pass the infection on to other people

where does god live? in a book and in your mind
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Re: Why you Christians are completely wrong about religion
people argue about religion, that is okay.

but about GOD, Christians are completely right.

and I do think God is more important than religion.
 Quoting: beeches


Except you still DO believe in a religion...Christianity and the beliefs held about God therein are a part of it......whether you will admit that or not doesn't change it.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: Why you Christians are completely wrong about religion
people argue about religion, that is okay.

but about GOD, Christians are completely right.

and I do think God is more important than religion.
 Quoting: beeches


Most Christians believe there is only one path to God, but only a man would create one path and leave all others to perish.

Being a Christian, means to follow Christ, and almost all Christians do not follow Him. But if one believes that God will heal and change him, and make him into a true disciple of Christ, then his faith will save him.

For there are those who have never read the Bible or heard of Christ who are much more 'Christian' than those who go to church 3 times a week and recite the 'sinners prayer'.

Yet, I do not condemn those who are ignorant of truth, because in the Great Mercy of the Creator, ALL shall be brought to the light in due time.

Both 'good' and 'evil' are necessary, as one gives meaning to the other. There are 'vessels of wrath' and 'vessels of mercy'. And EVERYTHING is from the Creator.


Isaiah 45
5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

That which eludes us is not what is unknown, but rather what has been forgotten.
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Re: Why you Christians are completely wrong about religion
let's see, why are christians wrong about religion?

god - no proof

hell - no proof

devil, judgment, sin, soul - also no proof

salvation - no proof that it works or that you need it

so what are christians wrong about?

everything

god is meme found in a book, the meme is parasitic and travels from one mind to another, those infected by the god virus become delusional and only want to pass the infection on to other people

where does god live? in a book and in your mind
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Lol, there are more than 2 perspectives. There is a deeper meaning that both Christians and Atheists fail to see.
That which eludes us is not what is unknown, but rather what has been forgotten.





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