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Sandy Hook & The Cheshire Murders – Why the 911 Calls Matter

 
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I like how the photo accompanying the article makes it appear as though people are leaving the court in tears after the decision...lol
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lol
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The judge said the calls are harrowing, but they do not identify any children, nor do they describe any injuries to a child.

"No children are identified by name. No caller indicates whether he or she could see whether any child has been injured," the judge wrote.

Sedensky also tried to justify the refusal to release the tapes by claiming that they are exempt from disclosure under a law that allows authorities to keep confidential signed witness statements in criminal investigations.

Confidential ehhh? Like Sally Cox's call? That you blacked out in your report?

rofl


"The plaintiff's claim borders on the frivolous," Prescott wrote.

friv·o·lous

~ not important ~ not deserving serious attention~ silly and not serious

pphtt


The judge also concluded that the public interest would be served with blocking disclosure of the tapes. He flatly rejected Sedensky's claim that their release would have a chilling effect on those who might need to call 911.

"There is not factual or legal support for this claim," he wrote.

The judge acknowledged that the release of the tapes likely will be a reminder of the horror of the attack, but the reality is that the material eventually will be made public.

"The question is not if, but when," he wrote. "Further delaying their release will not ultimately serve to ameliorate the pain the recordings will likely cause to those directly impacted by the shootings."


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The judge also concluded that the public interest would be served with blocking disclosure of the tapes. He flatly rejected Sedensky's claim that their release would have a chilling effect on those who might need to call 911.

"There is not factual or legal support for this claim," he wrote.
 Quoting: LadyK74


Translation...

Sedensky is either stupid...or lying...or both, I spose.
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You should see what's going on in the comments section of those articles, hahahaha, poor shills..

Wow, this decision really makes me feel good. Judge Prescott, you have just made my day.


I had a feeling, that Prescott wanted to wait with his decision and review the report of Sedensky first. If the judge did his homework, he realized that the report is FULL of shit.

Or maybe it was the obvious fake Tech ID that did it for him...who knows :)
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The Cheshire Murders .. see how the family is reacting.. that a normal response.. not the fake actor response with SH.
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Nice thread, swan!

Anyone here tell me why police would wait six minutes after arriving at school to enter it? Unless I'm interpreting the report incorrectly, it seems to be clearly stated but I did not see an explanation as to why?

I mention that point in my thread below, by the way (shameless plug) lol
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They didn't WAIT to enter......some were chasing people outside of the school thinking they might be suspects. The others were waiting for more police to arrive to enter in force.......DUH
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I like how you already can have a bias of what happened without evide evidence. And that you're begging for evidence to reassure your personal beliefs rather to know what actually happened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45008837

That's how these kooks operate.
They care less about the truth and only about proving their own dumb theories are possible. When you show them proof that debunks their lunacy, they resort to personal attacks.

Most people in this thread claiming it's all a hoax are paid shills.

It's disgusting watching the same idiots constantly dig through the same debunked theories, much like the way maggots feast on rotting flesh.

Disturbing.
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You should see what's going on in the comments section of those articles, hahahaha, poor shills..

Wow, this decision really makes me feel good. Judge Prescott, you have just made my day.


I had a feeling, that Prescott wanted to wait with his decision and review the report of Sedensky first. If the judge did his homework, he realized that the report is FULL of shit.

Or maybe it was the obvious fake Tech ID that did it for him...who knows :)
 Quoting: LadyK74


I must say, I am quite surprised by how hard the judge spanked Sedensky.

rejected those arguments as a matter of law and logic

The plaintiff’s claim borders on the frivolous,


It may not seem like much...but he is essentially saying you either don't know the law or are choosing to ignore it...or...you're not very logical. A wonderful trait for a state's attorney.

And...frivolous? Wow...basically saying you're wasting our time with nonsense and you should know better.
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Prescott said that based on Sedensky's argument, all records and information pertaining to the shooting would be confidential, as would all records of other high-profile crimes involving minors, such as the 2007 Cheshire home invasions.

Under Sedensky's reasoning, the judge wrote, "Any record containing any information regarding a shooting of a seventeen year old by a rival gang member would be exempt from disclosure," regardless of whether it met one of the exemptions under Connecticut's Freedom of Information Act.

Sedensky on Monday closed the criminal investigation into the shootings without filing any charges, but he previously had cited pending law enforcement action as a reason to keep the tapes private.

Prescott said state law does not require that an investigation be closed prior to release of records, and said Sedensky failed to demonstrate how the release of tapes would interfere with the investigation or any potential prosecution. When the FOI Commission made its ruling in June, there was nothing to suggest that any charges would be filed, Prescott wrote.

Sedensky also had asserted that the 911 calls were signed witness statements and that their release could endanger witness safety. After listening to the tapes himself, Prescott said that there was nothing in them that would suggest the release would threaten the safety of the 911 callers.

The recordings of the calls, described in the decision as "harrowing and disturbing," will be released next week, pending an appeal from the state.




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I must say, I am quite surprised by how hard the judge spanked Sedensky.


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yeah I thought everyone is bought already....
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I like how you already can have a bias of what happened without evide evidence. And that you're begging for evidence to reassure your personal beliefs rather to know what actually happened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45008837

That's how these kooks operate.
They care less about the truth and only about proving their own dumb theories are possible. When you show them proof that debunks their lunacy, they resort to personal attacks.

Most people in this thread claiming it's all a hoax are paid shills.

It's disgusting watching the same idiots constantly dig through the same debunked theories, much like the way maggots feast on rotting flesh.

Disturbing.
 Quoting: Holden 4424645


Sedensky's summary proved several major points correct (at least as far as the official story is concerned). Holden called 911, and Manfredonia was immediately cuffed by 67 (McGowan) as he (in McGowan's words) was "coming down Crestwood." The summary's transcription also confirms our own, that McGowan said "THEY'RE coming at me" (emphasis added).

So, the theories weren't dumb; they were spot-on.
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I must say, I am quite surprised by how hard the judge spanked Sedensky.


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 Quoting: LadyK74


Lmao. You sure do like those gifs, eh?
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I like how you already can have a bias of what happened without evide evidence. And that you're begging for evidence to reassure your personal beliefs rather to know what actually happened.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45008837

That's how these kooks operate.
They care less about the truth and only about proving their own dumb theories are possible. When you show them proof that debunks their lunacy, they resort to personal attacks.

Most people in this thread claiming it's all a hoax are paid shills.

It's disgusting watching the same idiots constantly dig through the same debunked theories, much like the way maggots feast on rotting flesh.

Disturbing.
 Quoting: Holden 4424645


Sedensky's summary proved several major points correct (at least as far as the official story is concerned). Holden called 911, and Manfredonia was immediately cuffed by 67 (McGowan) as he (in McGowan's words) was "coming down Crestwood." The summary's transcription also confirms our own, that McGowan said "THEY'RE coming at me" (emphasis added).

So, the theories weren't dumb; they were spot-on.
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X

See thats what I was talking about in recent days - your continued false assumptions being passed off as fact... which given the frequency you do it is not a coincidence but rather is intentional - ie you are posting disinformation to muddy the waters.

'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person, and thats how it was used in this case. You are claiming its fact that 'they're' refers to multiple people, which is the disinformation you are attempting to pass off.
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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person, and thats how it was used in this case. You are claiming its fact that 'they're' refers to multiple people, which is the disinformation you are attempting to pass off.
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And "Bob" could be used to refer to "Jim"...but if you hear "Bob" then it is reasonable and logical to conclude that the person being spoken to was "Bob".

That's called evidence...and you would need to provide some of your own to refute it. I would think even most 3rd graders would be able to grasp that concept.
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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person.
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another doputinstopposting1stfu

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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person, and thats how it was used in this case. You are claiming its fact that 'they're' refers to multiple people, which is the disinformation you are attempting to pass off.
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And "Bob" could be used to refer to "Jim"...but if you hear "Bob" then it is reasonable and logical to conclude that the person being spoken to was "Bob".

That's called evidence...and you would need to provide some of your own to refute it. I would think even most 3rd graders would be able to grasp that concept.
 Quoting: swansong

----->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Busted!

ie. 'They is singular or plural. All Americans know this, so where are you disinfo agents from?

Again, in case you missed it--->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

come again?

Whats that you said?

[link to gifsforum.com]

I hate having to repeat myself, but the constant Sandy Hook disinformation agents that frequent this forum like LadyK/Zephyr will without a doubt repeat their same lie about this in future threads just like they have the thousands of lies Ive corrected them on in the past.
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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person.
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another doputinstopposting1stfu
 Quoting: LadyK74


yeah yeah whats that again you damn disinformation agent?


---->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


/\
Busted!

ie. 'They is singular or plural. All Americans know this, so where are you disinfo agents from?

















Again, in case you missed it--->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

come again?

Whats that you said?

[link to gifsforum.com]

I hate having to repeat myself, but the constant Sandy Hook disinformation agents that frequent this forum like LadyK/Zephyr will without a doubt repeat their same lie about this in future threads just like they have the thousands of lies Ive corrected them on in the past.
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If anyone can identify directly who ladyK is, it would solve a lot of problems around here.
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Especially after considering that this reference comes right after the teacher reported 2 shadows running past the building...

0:56...




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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person.
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another doputinstopposting1stfu
 Quoting: LadyK74


This is one silly poster, it's black Iranian propaganda prevents knowledge of how English words work.

Does this one top the one where it said the Lanza's and the Manfredonia's were NOT neighbors even though they live less than 300 ft away from each other.
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Hey SHILLTARD...listen up

here is one of your previous posts..PUNK, quoting Zephyr, according to you...


Only one man's apprehension was said to hold up the breach of the school. Two men were running at NPD Unit 67; only one was caught.

They couldn't work on getting into the school until that individual was secured.

67 later in the day said, "That's the one you and I secured." And he named him as Christopher Manfredonia.

Manfredonia himself said he was apprehended immediately after cops arrived. Unit 67 apprehended one man immediately upon arrival. He later named him as mentioned above.

67 didn't apprehend the man in the woods - that was CSP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33165800


For the umpteenth time....

Im not asking for your words, which are false - Im asking for where you got that from.

The reason I kept asking for that was because you dont have it.

Here's the point Zephyr - these are just more lies by you because Ive go the same evidence you do on that and 1) There is no indication that two people were running at 67, nor that one of them 'got away' like youve lied so many times by saying. and 2) It cannot be concluded from the audio transmission that Manfredonia was still detained at that time.

Youve INTENTIONALLY distorted the facts to create lies on these two issues.

These are yet two more of your lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50303556




YOU ARE THE LYING PIECE OF SHIT YOU TRAITOR!!!


For America:


In the offical report, it stated the following:

2. Reports by school personnel during the shooting on a 911 call of seeing someone running outside the school while the shooting was ongoing..

Actually they reported 2 shadows runnning past the building - it's on the scanner, omitted from the report.

Our timeline

09:39:13AM : Dispatch (Nute): “Okay I have reports that the teacher saw two shadows running past the building, past the gym, which would be [...] rear…”

0:56



09:39:31AM: Male, breathless: “Yeah, we got ‘em.”

09:39:32AM: Male, excited: “They’re comin’ at me, down Crestwood! “



In the report:


09:39:34 Officer McGowan encounters [BLACKED OUT] running along the east side of SHES. (Newtown radio)

Officer McGowan: “Yea we got him… they’re coming at me down Crestwood.”

Actually Sedensky, it says yeah we got them as in plural. Why would it say THEY are coming at me, after "him" ? Well we have the scanner feeds - LOL

9:40:46 First indication that Officer McGowan has [BLACKED OUT] in custody on the east side of the school near the playground. (Newtown Radio)

Officer McGowan: “67 to S6, do you know if this guy I got here is involved?”

Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Responding units , last known gunshots were in the front of the building.


9:41:24 Officer McGowan has [BLACKED OUT] prone out on the playground of SHES. First time that information is relayed that there is possibly a second shooter: (Newtown radio)

09:41:24 Officer McGowan: “I need a unit up here, on the playground side, to secure this party.”

9:41:30 Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Do you have that person yes, no?”

9:41:34 Officer McGowan: “I don’t know, I’ve got a party on the side, I have him prone out now.”

9:41:39 Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Roger that, units be aware that we could have a secondary unit.”

9:42:27 Information is relayed again as to the possible location of the shooting within SHES:
(Newtown radio)

Newtown Sgt Kullgren: “Responding units again, be advised last known shots were in the front
of the school… maybe the roof.”


9:42:47 Newtown Lt Vanghele and Officer Seabrook arrive at SHES. Newtown Lt Vanghele drives towards front door and Officer Seabrook parks adjacent to second row of cars facing the northwest portion of SHES. (Officer Chapman’s and Officer Seabrook’s video)

09:42:47 Newtown Sgt Kullgren handcuffs [BLACKOUT] . (Officer Seabrook’s Statement)

9:44:33 Officer Chapman and Officer Smith complete a check of the perimeter (west and south side) of the school. Officer Smith stated that he and Officer Chapman made eye contact with Officer McGowan at the rear of the school, where Officer McGowan had [BLACKED OUT] prone out on the ground. Upon realizing that [BLACKED OUT] was not a threat, they both returned back to the front door: (Statements of Officers Chapman and Smith)



From the report we read:

From the time the unknown male was encountered by the Newtown police outside of SHES until after the staff and children were evacuated, all responding law enforcement operated under the belief that there may have been more than one shooter and acted accordingly.

For example, K-9 units were brought in to search the area and officers were posted to act as lookouts to ensure the safety of those evacuating the school building. Some people were located in the areas surrounding the school as the searches and evacuations were taking place. Some of those individuals were treated initially as suspects and handled accordingly, including being handcuffed, until their identities and reason for being there could be determined.

Some of these detentions included:

1. The initial unknown male who turned out to be a parent with a cell telephone in his hand;


2. Two reporters located in the woods around SHES, who were held at gun point by Department of Energy and Environmental Protection (DEEP) police officers until their identities could be determined; and

3. A man from New York who was working in a nearby town and went to SHES after an application on his cell telephone alerted him to the situation at the school. He drove to the firehouse and went up to the school on foot. He was taken from the scene of the school in handcuffs and later to Newtown Police Department. It was later determined that he did not have a connection to the shooting and had gone to SHES to see what was going on.

Note: That makes it 4

.. also Newtown Bee reported a tactical officer apprehended in the woods. Where is that TACTICAL OFFICER IN YOUR LIST ??

A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source. (it's so saved as a screenshot)

[link to newtownbee.com]

18 In fact, the possibility that there was more than one shooter remained a consideration beyond December 14, 2012. It was only after potential leads were investigated that investigators became confident that the shooter was not aided in any way by others and that no one knew of the shooter’s plan prior to December 14, 2012





So reporters in the woods...one of them which is RUNNING from Police? WHY would a reporter RUN from Police and the other hide behind a tree?




[link to www.youtube.com]

From the report:


CSP Sgt O’Donnell: “I hear ya, I hear ya..I’m in and out of the building, we have uh, we have uh multiple in the double digits of death here…so it’s not good ..we have..were still clearingrooms..we have one suspect..one suspect down..deceased..but we think there is a second shooter were not sure..there’s multiple casings and magazine clips and weapons all around the building here.”

All AROUND the building??

CSP Lt (MSGT) Davis “…just be advised we may have two shooters and we may have a suspect vehicle that they might have pulled up in..CT

Oh, you leave out where exactly in CT they pulled over that vehicle?

Was it the purple van with people wearing a nun outfit and a ski mask who may have been involved in this incident as stated on the scanner? It was reported that they were stopped (I got news report)



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Again, yet more constant lies of LadyK.

Those '2 shadows' have nothing to do with the person 67 stopped on Crestwood.

Yet more intentional disinformation from you.
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YOU ARE THE LYING PIECE OF SHIT YOU TRAITOR!!!


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Would you like the opportunity to say that to my face you liar?
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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person.
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another doputinstopposting1stfu
 Quoting: LadyK74


yeah yeah whats that again you damn disinformation agent?


---->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


/\
Busted!

ie. 'They is singular or plural. All Americans know this, so where are you disinfo agents from?

















Again, in case you missed it--->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

come again?

Whats that you said?

[link to gifsforum.com]

I hate having to repeat myself, but the constant Sandy Hook disinformation agents that frequent this forum like LadyK/Zephyr will without a doubt repeat their same lie about this in future threads just like they have the thousands of lies Ive corrected them on in the past.
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Excellent piece @swansong. Reading again.
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Harry ?!

It that you ! ! ! ?

1rof1

i can hardly believe it ! ! !
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'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person.
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another doputinstopposting1stfu
 Quoting: LadyK74


This is one silly poster, it's black Iranian propaganda prevents knowledge of how English words work.

Does this one top the one where it said the Lanza's and the Manfredonia's were NOT neighbors even though they live less than 300 ft away from each other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31543670


Hey liar, in case you missed it:





'They're' can be and often is used to reference a single person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50303556



another doputinstopposting1stfu
 Quoting: LadyK74


yeah yeah whats that again you damn disinformation agent?


---->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


/\
Busted!

ie. 'They is singular or plural. All Americans know this, so where are you disinfo agents from?

















Again, in case you missed it--->

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

come again?

Whats that you said?

[link to gifsforum.com]

I hate having to repeat myself, but the constant Sandy Hook disinformation agents that frequent this forum like LadyK/Zephyr will without a doubt repeat their same lie about this in future threads just like they have the thousands of lies Ive corrected them on in the past.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50303556
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It shows that 1. Sedensky changed "we got them, they're coming at me" to "we got him, they're coming at me.."


It shows that Sedensky claimed 2 reporters are in the woods, yet they are running away from police...


It shows that the report forgot to mention the tactical officer that was also apprehended in the woods


It shows they NEVER included the purple van suspects in NUN outfits and ski masks witha back window blown out...



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One of the warrants in the summary Appendix states victims were deceased in THREE classrooms.

Thread: Sandy Hook warrant states some victims were deceased in Roig's classroom
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One of the warrants in the summary Appendix states victims were deceased in THREE classrooms.

Thread: Sandy Hook warrant states some victims were deceased in Roig's classroom
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Point being, perhaps the 911 calls also indicate this.





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